Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

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Great. He's on a list with other top prospects/young stars around his age like Paolo, Giddey, Green, Ja, and LaMelo.

These random stats are completely pointless.

[tripa]

“Hes not elite, hes slightly above average. LOL.” - Los, probably

[DreamTeam09]

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Great. He's on a list with other top prospects/young stars around his age like Paolo, Giddey, Green, Ja, and LaMelo.

These random stats are completely pointless.

27 is a finished product just as much as a 21yr old is smh

[HiJiNX]

You guys fell for Los’ bait again

I don’t normally do the back and forth but I have time today haha.

[HiJiNX]

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Great. He's on a list with other top prospects/young stars around his age like Paolo, Giddey, Green, Ja, and LaMelo.

These random stats are completely pointless.

I was gonna say something but you know, I’ve already developed a reputation as a homer haha. But you’re absolutely right. Most of the guys on that list have five years or less in the league, which says more about the importance of experience than it does about who a player is at such a young age.

[HiJiNX]

It was a typo. An elite skill. Which he does have. Passing recognition and delivery.

Fair enough, it's not elite though.

It’s not? Haha. Enlighten me. You’d be in the minority of folks to say that about Barnes.

How many guys in the league see the floor like Barnes or better?? They certainly exist but there aren’t that many.

What’s interesting is when you generate that list you’ll see the kind of quality of player that sees the floor as well as he does.

Well cuz I’m bored and on the toilet, let’s actually take a look at this list and what it would look like:

Garland
Brunson
Trae Young
Lowry
Haliburton
Lamelo
Cade (arguable but I’ll give it to him)
Jokic
Draymond
Lebron
Giddey
Luka
Chris Paul

Went through all 30 teams and that’s the list I came up with, being generous. I thought about adding Nembhard, Tyus Jones, Sabonis, Jrue and Brogdon but I’m not sure they make the cut for me. But even if you added those guys to the list well, you look up and down that list and you have some champions, some hall of famers, a bunch of all stars, and max players. Most of those guys are also smallish guards whereas Barnes is a big forward. So let’s take a look at the forwards and centers on that list.

Lebron - arguably the greatest of all time. All time scoring leader.
Draymond - multiple time all-star, four rings, HOF bound
Luka - ROY and multiple time all star. Sure fire HOF
Jokic - champion, multiple time all star, multiple time MVP, best player in the league right now
Cade - future all-star

Pretty good company. Processing the game, seeing the floor, passing—whatever you wanna call it, when you combine that with size and skill and the “it” factor, it seems to go a long way most of the time.

[Los_29]

It was a typo. An elite skill. Which he does have. Passing recognition and delivery.

Fair enough, it's not elite though.

It’s not? Haha. Enlighten me. You’d be in the minority of folks to say that about Barnes.

How many guys in the league see the floor like Barnes or better?? They certainly exist but there aren’t that many.

What’s interesting is when you generate that list you’ll see the kind of quality of player that sees the floor as well as he does.

I’d actually be surprised if there are people around the league that view Scottie as having elite passing recognition and delivery. Has anyone ever said he’s elite at it? He’s got great vision but saying he’s elite is a pretty big stretch especially given his pedestrian assist rates the past two years. When I think of elite, I think of guys like Luka, Jokic, CP3 and Lebron.

Scottie isn’t there yet but he could get there.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie has great passing instincts but he’s really far behind the great PLAYMAKERS in the league due to his lack of handles, penetration and scoring gravity.

I’m not totally sure he’ll able to combine all 3 of those skills with his passing vision on a consistent basis but if he does, that’s a top 20 player in the NBA with ease.

Praying that he does otherwise our franchise is kinda screwed lol.

[Los_29]

Fair enough, it's not elite though.

It’s not? Haha. Enlighten me. You’d be in the minority of folks to say that about Barnes.

How many guys in the league see the floor like Barnes or better?? They certainly exist but there aren’t that many.

What’s interesting is when you generate that list you’ll see the kind of quality of player that sees the floor as well as he does.

Well cuz I’m bored and on the toilet, let’s actually take a look at this list and what it would look like:

Garland
Brunson
Trae Young
Lowry
Haliburton
Lamelo
Cade (arguable but I’ll give it to him)
Jokic
Draymond
Lebron
Giddey
Luka
Chris Paul

Went through all 30 teams and that’s the list I came up with, being generous. I thought about adding Nembhard, Tyus Jones, Sabonis, Jrue and Brogdon but I’m not sure they make the cut for me. But even if you added those guys to the list well, you look up and down that list and you have some champions, some hall of famers, a bunch of all stars, and max players. Most of those guys are also smallish guards whereas Barnes is a big forward. So let’s take a look at the forwards and centers on that list.

Lebron - arguably the greatest of all time. All time scoring leader.
Draymond - multiple time all-star, four rings, HOF bound
Luka - ROY and multiple time all star. Sure fire HOF
Jokic - champion, multiple time all star, multiple time MVP, best player in the league right now
Cade - future all-star

Pretty good company. Processing the game, seeing the floor, passing—whatever you wanna call it, when you combine that with size and skill and the “it” factor, it seems to go a long way most of the time.

If we are saying elite for his size then I’d agree with you. There aren’t many players with his size that can see the floor like he can.

[Boogie!]

Scottie has great passing instincts but he’s really far behind the great PLAYMAKERS in the league due to his lack of handles, penetration and scoring gravity.

I’m not totally sure he’ll able to combine all 3 of those skills with his passing vision on a consistent basis but if he does, that’s a top 20 player in the NBA with ease.

Praying that he does otherwise our franchise is kinda screwed lol.

The guy averaged almost 5 apg playing next to siakam and fvv... like I said all he needs are reps...

[Tha Cynic]

We've already seen deep analysis on this. It showed the huge difference between what a guy who puts up assist numbers because of system like Westbrook, Mike James or Van Vleet who we saw a lot of, vs. a guy like Barnes who knows how to lead teammates into great plays, hockey assists and passing the ball perfectly in a player's shooting pocket.

These are things that will become more apparent as he grows older and people see him control the offense more in his own way. Of course he will need to continue to grow and not stagnate.

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Was Scottie up for any of the Team USA spots? I see Banchero got on the main team and Cade and Green are on the select team.

[Tha Cynic]

If he truly didn't get invited, I hope that sparks Barnes and I see it as a good thing. I find some of the guys selected like Banchero funny though in a team setting like this.

If Barnes did get invited and decided not to go so he could train, that's great.

[gbball]

It's weird to see Banchero elevated so quickly. I thought he had committed to playing for Italy. Maybe this is the USA's way of trying to keep him in the fold.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/paolo-banchero-italy-basketball-usa-betrayal/mb1gwjtiwqzukwragdgpozh6

[gbball]

Hopefully not being included lights a fire under Scottie the way it did Vince.

[MoMan24]

Hopefully not being included lights a fire under Scottie the way it did Vince.

He was invited 100%. So was Mobley but they both declined. They have Langston Galloway who is not on an NBA roster and Payton Pritchard. They also have Eric Mika and John Jenkins from the G League Ignite who are 28 and 32 years of age. They are literally scrapping the bottom of barrel for talent. They have Bobby Portis, Cam Johnson, Walker Kessler, Paolo Banchero, Josh Hart and Austin Reaves on the main roster. I actually hope USA loses which I think they will. The 2019 FIBA USA World Cup roster was similar in talent to this one and they finished 7th.

[WuTang_CMB]

For anyone who knows, bringing the ball up and setting up the offense takes a lot out of you compared to just running in the corner. I hope Scottie's body holds up next season with the increased usage. He had those lingering ankle issues all season

[tripa]

For anyone who knows, bringing the ball up and setting up the offense takes a lot out of you compared to just running in the corner. I hope Scottie's body holds up next season with the increased usage. He had those lingering ankle issues all season

Another reason why making him the main ball handler doesnt make any sense, considering he takes quarters off

[MoMan24]

For anyone who knows, bringing the ball up and setting up the offense takes a lot out of you compared to just running in the corner. I hope Scottie's body holds up next season with the increased usage. He had those lingering ankle issues all season

The increased usage is not the issue. The issue was he was hurt going into training camp which Scottie missed most of. Instead of having him sit out and heal properly we had him rush back out there playing 35 minutes a night while asking him to play Center, set screens and guard Point Guards from half court while grimacing half the game from discomfort and rolling his ankle once a week. Which lead to more nagging injuries which I am 100% effected his play. He only missed 5 games last year. I'm so glad Nurse is gone so we don't have to watch him play players into the ground while not using them optimally.

[WuTang_CMB]

For anyone who knows, bringing the ball up and setting up the offense takes a lot out of you compared to just running in the corner. I hope Scottie's body holds up next season with the increased usage. He had those lingering ankle issues all season

The increased usage is not the issue. The issue was he was hurt going into training camp which Scottie missed most of. Instead of having him sit out and heal properly we had him rush back out there playing 35+ minutes a night while asking him to play Center, set screens and guard Point Guards from half court while grimacing half the game from discomfort and rolling his ankle once a week. Which lead to more nagging injuries which I am 100% effected his play. I'm so glad Nurse is gone so we don't have to watch him play players into the ground while not using them optimally.

The increased usage while being a lead distributor will bring fatigue which leads to injuries. Especially for a guy that size. They just have to monitor that. Didnt understand playing him through injuries last year. Should have rested him as he was clearly hurt.