Moonbeam wrote:I've been playing around with box score data to run regressions on WOWY. Traditional WOWY statistics ignore what other players may be missing, so running a regression should offer an improvement. I've been looking at 5-year windows and have applied some shrinkage techniques like Ridge (as used in RAPM), Adaptive lasso and Adaptive Elastic net. I've been thinking about this with the view of voting for Magic here and thought I'd share the data I'm looking at before writing up my voting post. For simplicity now, I'll call this metric "RWOWY" for regressed WOWY, and then "RWOWY-Ridge", "RWOWY-Lasso", and "RWOWY-ENet" for the ridge, adaptive lasso, and adaptive elastic net variants.
These values make use of all games (regular season and playoffs) and all players who averaged at least 18 MPG for the season. I'll print out the results for 5-year spans over Magic's career for players who won at least one award (All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense) during that span.
Immediate Hall of Fame RealGM post; you should make it into its own thread.
(And I appreciate having more material to use for my eventual Bob Lanier nomination. )
Are the excised rankings just players who played too few minutes to come across as notable? Might be appropriate to set a certain minimum games played threshold; I notice top rookies seem to do inordinately well.
I had the exact opposite reaction.
Warspite wrote:Billups was a horrible scorer who could only score with an open corner 3 or a FT.
Moonbeam wrote:I've been playing around with box score data to run regressions on WOWY. Traditional WOWY statistics ignore what other players may be missing, so running a regression should offer an improvement. I've been looking at 5-year windows and have applied some shrinkage techniques like Ridge (as used in RAPM), Adaptive lasso and Adaptive Elastic net. I've been thinking about this with the view of voting for Magic here and thought I'd share the data I'm looking at before writing up my voting post. For simplicity now, I'll call this metric "RWOWY" for regressed WOWY, and then "RWOWY-Ridge", "RWOWY-Lasso", and "RWOWY-ENet" for the ridge, adaptive lasso, and adaptive elastic net variants.
These values make use of all games (regular season and playoffs) and all players who averaged at least 18 MPG for the season. I'll print out the results for 5-year spans over Magic's career for players who won at least one award (All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense) during that span.
Immediate Hall of Fame RealGM post; you should make it into its own thread.
(And I appreciate having more material to use for my eventual Bob Lanier nomination. )
Are the excised rankings just players who played too few minutes to come across as notable? Might be appropriate to set a certain minimum games played threshold; I notice top rookies seem to do inordinately well.
Thanks! I might make a separate post at some stage once I have more data to share.
As far as the players listed, I've only included the ones who won awards within this timeframe just for simplicity (and character limits). If I made the data more public, I'd include everyone.
These figures will place an extraordinary amount of weight on players who miss some seasons within the window, so not only rookies, but players whose careers end as well.
Could go either way really but KG is closer so I guess i'll let him get the 1st place ballot. Seems Shaq's 2nd-place support still has given him the advantage, but KG looks like he'll get close(magic also if you count his non-shaq 2nd place ones). Perhaps this is a sign that "kg vs shaq" has replaced "kg vs kobe" on the PC Board?
I've largely made the case for both but to summarize
KG -> one of the most valuable players ever, ->incredible longevity, -> did rather well despite sub-optimal situations for most of his prime, -> showed out at his best in the playoffs despite his best help getting hurt. -> won a title post-prime with mvpish impact(bitw case isn't very strong with the minutes played, but hard to say he wasn't at least top 5)
Magic -> strongest impact portfolio of the 80's/90's -> "god"ly creator only really rivalled(or approached) by nash -> saw much better offensive results than a allegedly more "scalable" rival(bird) -> case as best winner post-russell -> was on an incredible trajectory until he was pressured out of the league due to HIV
nomination vote:
Kobe
-> impact looks about as impressive as the guy nominated over him in the last thread (bird) -> more "complete" and translatable skillset to the guy nominated over him in the last thread -> more resilient than the guy nominated over him in the last thread -> far better longevity to the extent his "career championship value" is comfortably higher even if you view bird as a top 5 peak and kobe as a fringe top 20 one -> impact likely suppressed due to situational context(90th percentile or close in almost every type of offensive play, forced to iso a bunch in triangle with no illegal d) -> has experienced more team success than anyone left on the board save for Mikan and Magic -> decent case as the best performer on arguably the most dominant playoff-team ever
I imagine his main competition for actually being voted in will be Steph and/or Bird. Frankly I'm not sure on Kobe or Steph, but I am pretty confident with Kobe over Bird so I'll expand a bit on that.
More specifically I'll expand a bit on passing =/ creation and what it means relative to Bird.
trelos6 wrote: Bird's scoring peak was 28.2 pp75 with +7.0 rTS%. The team had a rORTG of 7.3. His 3 yr PS was 23.8 pp75 at +4.7 rTS%. A fair decline, which I believe is the biggest criticism around Bird.
Magic's scoring peak like Bird's came a few years after his peak. 22.5 pp75 on +8.5 rTS% with a team rORTG of 5.9. His peak, the team had a rORTG of 7.3. 3 yr PS peak was 21.2 pp75 on +7.5 rTS%.
Okay, but as you acknowledge: Magic is a "creation" god. This is not a fair comparison. How about instead of this selective filter we just compare their best offenses?
Magic has led not one, but two playoff offenses better than Bird's best(1987), and a third which scores just as high. And his creation looks "godly" for all those years. There is no reason to be applying a "best scoring year" filter here. The results very clearly favor Magic who also happens to have the best impact signals of anyone during that time period.
And then we get to the idea that the guy who won less and led worse offenses was more "portable"...
I can appreciate Bird's off ball ability, scalability, and gravity, which all shows itself in the team's stellar ORTG, both RS and PS. .
But they weren't stellar. Lebron, Jordan, Magic, Curry, Shaq, and nash all led better rs offenses, better playoff offenses and better overall offenses. Reggie Miller's playoff offenses were comparable.
What is actually shown I think is that his strengths were not as valuable as people think they are and his weaknesses were more significant(ball-handling, rim-pressure, ect). Besides 1980, his teams holistic improvement with/drop-offs without are not remarkable among top 20 candidates which calls into question just how valuable this defense was.
Honestly I think we're seeing something pretty similar to what happens when people rate Durant based on what he looks like "on paper" because "tall, shoots, skilled passer". Bird is a better passer(to go with weaker scoring), but he does have apply significant rim pressure so you're not spiking perimeter threats. His "spacing" is not replicating what a Steph(or even Reggie) offers at that volume, and Bird, like Durant, is somewhat dependent on his teammates to score or creates because he does not have the prerequire handles.
People like to look at the aesthetics of how his passes look in his highlights, but how valuable is what's being generated?
tsherkin wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:I didn't start watching basketball until 1994 so I didn't see Bird play live, but I really, really don't understand what's special about his passing at all. I don't get it. He averaged just over 6 assists a game in a very high pace league and from watching his highlight reels it seems like he never made a difficult pass in his life. Every single "highlight" is just a basic obvious pass to a guy 3 feet away that it seems like any high schooler would find. What makes him any better of a passer than say Jimmy Butler? I really don't understand.
Timing, accuracy. His touch passing, when he only has the ball for a fraction of a second and one-hands it to someone. No-lookers, the whole range of things which might impress someone with his positional awareness and technical passing acumen. Watch more Bird and pay specific attention to his passing. I don't want to be rude, your question is fair, especially for someone who never saw him live. But there are plenty of highlights which illustrate why the fanfare exists.
In this highlight reel, none of his first four passes create wide open looks. There are still defenders the recipients have to deal with up until pass #5. You have to wait till pass #8 to see another uncontested look. Pass #10 for the 3rd.
Magic's first 7 passes here create wide open looks. 9 of his first 12. You might also notice that alot of these passes come with Magic handling the ball in traffic, allowing Johnson to filter out defenders, before he makes the pass. In some of these Magic is also leveraging rim-pressure as defenders take themselves out of the play in anticipation of what he's going to at the basket.
Here is the result:
Whatever you think of their raw-passing, Magic creates more and creates higher-quality looks, while leading better offenses.
So does Lebron:
And if you think this is a matter of off-ball creation being undervalued...so does Steph:
So does Jordan:
You know who Bird looks comparable to? This guy:
For all the basketball discourse that presents ball-handling as a minor consideration(or an outright negative), the above charts(and the team-lvl offensive results and impact signals) track pretty closely to the degree of ball-handling primacy the players in question had.
Kevin Durant is a good passer. But he does not leverage that into good(for a superstar) creation.
Larry Bird is one of the greatest passers, but he only really leverages that towards good creation.
Kobe is not an all-time great passer, but he is a good passer, and maybe history's best tough shot-maker, and a strong primary ball-handler. The result is he can create as much as an all-time great passer like Bird.
I also think it's kind of telling what people want to give Larry in the build-a-player workshop...
Doctor MJ wrote:Did he actually have more "passing value" in his career as point guards who control the ball most of the time? Not if those guys were good at their job - as Paul was - but remember that he was playing with point guards (Tiny, DJ) whose job that was. If you were grooming Bird to play today I think you'd encourage him to play either like Magic or Jokic to max out his value, but the way he played back then showed how scary his potential was.
Sure. However, I do think it's important to recognize Jokic has a major advantage here besides "playing like a helio" and his shooting:
strength
Jokic is an all-time tough-shot maker, post-scorer, and post-creator because he is very hard to shake. Something even a guy you dubbed "nuevo-russell" struggled greatly to deal with last postseason. While he struggles to gain vertical seperation like Bird, you really can't bully him. Combine that with incredible touch and he maybe makes more shots that shouldn't go in than anyone else.
I also think it's worth noting the defensive benefit here. Up until this postseason I was assuming Jokic was a worse defender than Larry across time because he was a center who didn't protect the rim and wasn't that quick. In retrospect I think I overlooked some trade-offs:
1. Because of his overall size he can still be imposing for non-bigs trying to put it up(we saw this against the clippers in 2020) 2. Depending on the matchup he can bully other bigs on the defensive end. We saw this with AD to a degree and we saw a whole lot of it with Bam.
All considered I'd probably revise my assessment to something like this: -> As Jokic is a center his limitations might hurt a team more -> As Jokic is a center his strengths might benefit a team more
Bird might be easier to hide, but I also do not think he has the ability to positively impact his team's defense in the right contexts as Jokic can.
I would also say similar theoretical points could be made for Kobe. I do not think Kobe is actually a worse passer than say a James Harden. And I also do think he's a better ball-handler and a better shot-maker. But the way he was deployed(and the way players of that time period were encouraged to play), I do not think he was given the opportunity to show his full-range as a playmaker or creative force.
His oft-criticized shot selection(overly criticized imo) is largely a byproduct of the era, and I think his relative numbers look a fair-bit better if he played in a league where defenses were as hard-strung with how they could deploy doubles as they were in Bird's time:
Spoiler:
AEnigma wrote:People were always onto something about Kobe being a Jordan approximation, but now most have lost their sense of the extreme era disparities between the two. Prime Kobe would have had more attractive “numbers” in Jordan’s era, and Jordan would have much less attractive “numbers” in Kobe’s era.
Relatedly, scoring bias has ruined (hyperbolic) basketball discourse in a way not present in any other sport, which tend to be far more engaged with total offensive impact.
No, I am pointing out the effect of rule changes and league evolution. I recognise that a lot of people see Jordan win MVP and Finals MVP and RPOtY as a +1 rTS scorer and then extrapolate his peak as a +7 rTS scorer, but the ease for isolation wings was not consistent even before the explosion of the past couple of years.
Primarily efficiency (and then a resultant dip in raw point production) because I doubt he changes his shot volume. Kobe lacked Jordan’s peak athleticism and his mid-range acumen, so Jordan would still be a more efficient scorer than Kobe in basically any era, but the gap would not be +7 to +3.5 rTS. If Kobe is something like +5 in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and Jordan is something like +5.5 in the 2000s, that should substantially affect how we assess both of them, just like most of us recognise that Jerry West would not be a +9 scorer in later eras and adjust accordingly. None of that should be unpopular, but the bar is unfortunately quite low.
So with Kobe for me it’s more so I think he translates better to other eras than his own, or a player of his strengths translates better to other eras than his own.
I think the 2000s were the worst time as a high volume elite iso 1v1 perimeter player.
Defining it as 250+ isolations
05-10
2005 Of 22 players, he ranked 2nd
2006 Of 36 players, he ranked 12th
2007 Of 27 players, he ranked 1st
2008 Of 23 players, he ranked 2nd
2009 Of 33 players, he ranked 11th
2010 Of 29 players, he ranked 9th
Kobes volume was usually somewhere from 700-1000, so defining high volume as 250+ would be a bit unfair in terms of respecting his volume although that’s obvious
Overall, in regards to limiting it to high volume scorers, while he’s not first every year or anything this does end up as quite elite. Randoms or people you maybe wouldn’t expect end up being far higher than expected even with these restrictions on.
Under similar restrictions, in only pure effeciency, he grades out better than Kawhi through his 17-21 run, not quite as good as Durant the past few years, although comparable all things considered (Kobe peaked higher but was more inconsistent, Durant was more consistently 3-7 outside of a first place 2014 finish, Kawhi was similar to Kobe in terms of being great one year and not as great the next but his best years weren’t as high and his worst years were worse)
Overall his percentiles in these are quite good as well
In terms of pure effeciency, His 1v1 scoring as a whole could be seen somewhere inbetween kawhi and Durant, definately closer to Durant.
(1v1 scoring doesn’t imply when teams didn’t help or anything, so this would include when Kobe would take dumb shots into help and stuff)
I don’t think Kobe is inherently unable to be hyper effecient as an offense player because of him taking dumb shots. While I do agree he took a lot of stupid shots, for sure, I also think some of that is a function of isolation play in the 2000s in general.
Kobe was generally a very effecient player, but didn’t get as much of his in transition as guys like Lebron and Wade did. According to synergy, of players with 1250+ more scoring possessions (I did this to generally get the top 20-30 highest players by scoring possessions each year)
Kobe ranked
12 out of 17 in 2005 8 out of 27 in 2006 3 out of 19 in 2007 7 out of 33 in 2008 3 out of 27 in 2009 21 out of 29 in 2010
Which matches most data in him going up a tier 06-09 and dropping off a bit in 2005. 07 him having an issue of just refusing to pass, which shows up on the a post somewhere about him basically not passing out of iso that year
More interestingly though, looking at the data more carefully
In 06, 4th, 6th, and 7th place are guards (Ray has some seperation but he’s basically pretty close with arenas and redd)
In 07, he is only beaten by Dirk and amare
In 08, pierce beats him (although he has 2/3s the volume) and everyone else is a big
In 09, gasol and Dirk beat him out (although he and Dirk are in a virtual tie)
There are very obvious caveats to this for sure, but as a whole Kobe was a very effecient scorer, while he did most of his work in the halfcourt, he did also grade out well in transition, and the Lakers were a good transition team in general which fits with his offensive impact being as high as it was during his prime
I’m rambling a bit but my main point is that I think kobes offense is seen as, high volume but not too elite effeciency wise, whereas I think he did combine the best of both worlds as much as a perimeter player in the 2000s could.
The reason I’m harping on halfcourt vs transition is, I think that the two things you have to look at are
Does a players presence mean easier shots are being taken (for example, lebrons presence means more transition opportunities so that’s a plus)
Kobes presence didn’t seem to detract from his team’s transition opportunities (given his teams ranking in that regard were decent in 08 and 09) and he only didn’t have much of them in comparison to Wade and lebron, he had a good amount of them and was very good at that as well
I guess a similar comparison would be hitting threes at a 42% rate on tough shots vs them at a 45% rate on wide open ones?
This isn’t to say he was just as effecient as lebron in 09 or anything, of course not, but I think it’s a situation where he’s shooting well on contested threes, and in terms of the halfcourt vs transition situation.
A way to see it would be, he’s taking a tougher role on offense (a more halfcourt dominant role) and doing so at a very effecient rate within that role throughout his prime.
Taking the harder role doesn’t mean the easier role that leads to more effecient shots is inherently limited, but it does mean his expected fg% will be lower, despite it not being a negative impact, does that make sense idk if I’m explaining my thoughts well here
Could he have been even more effecient if he didn’t take dumb shots at times? Sure, but I don’t think he wasn’t substantially more effecient than his peers.
Furthermore, I do think that illegal D>hand checking in terms of impact it had on iso perimeter players, at least in kobes case, and obviously their offense didn’t exactly evolve, so I don’t think it’s inherently impossible for Kobe to be an outlier effecient player under the right circumstances or era.
His shot selection could be better, but I do think part of that is a product of the teams offense as well, and he was very effecient in spite of it overall given the role he had.
In 2013 for example, the team ran a bit more of a pick and roll offense, although it wasn’t really one because of all the Dwight drama, and Kobe did flourish much more after having dropped off offensively for awhile. There’s more too it than that of course but still, that he got to the paint as much as he did in his prime and was as effecient as he was in his prime after the seasons leading up to it makes me think 06-09 Kobe in 2013 kobes position probably ends up as a super high raw effeciency volume type player.
In short, Kobe looks alot more efficient relative to the field when you adjust for shot-quality and his difficult slate of shots was partially a product of schematic deployment and playing in the 2000's. In a league more suited for post-play and 1v1 scoring, I think Kobe looks alot better. I also think in the current league the chance to "helio" may make up for whatever disadvantages there are to be had playing against more talented players.
I would also have less questions about how his defense translates compared to Bird in basically any era and I feel if we are doing the time-machine thing(I know you are not Doc), Kobe is the "historic" guy I think stands to benefit the most.
Regardless, for the purpose of this project, I'm nominating Kobe(and will plan on voting him in fairly soon) on the basis of what he did in his time. Simply put, I do not buy Kobe was clearly worse than a guy like Bird(honestly I'm leaning towards better considering the playoffs), and even if he was, his accumulated value was almost certainly higher. Kobe is not considered an a-grade offensive engine, yet Bird is and I really don't get what justifies his inclusion.
We can talk about unselfish this and infectious that but nba-history has been pretty cut and dry about how it all adds up:
-> if you want to lead the best offenses ever, control everything and minimize variance -> if you want to lead offenses that aren't the best ever, don't hold up so well in the playoffs, and only produce great results in specific contexts...delegate to teammates who might **** something up
It does look like Kobe will be admitted into the pool next thread, so I am curious if people will be more open to assessing Kobe more favorably than before. I think there's more here to unpack than "shaq's sidekick" and "his rapm is bad"(ironically comparable to Shaq's in Cheema's), so I'm looking forward to seeing what people have to say about Mr. Mamba
Not had much time to post here but if i had to pick someone it would be
Magic johnson (#8)
Goat level offense with a skillset that would translate seamlessly across eras, able to grind it out in a slow game and the post as much as on the fast pace heliocentric era. Able to leas offensively dominant teams that stayed that way in the playoffs, ans what limited plus minus data we have of him is fairly damn crazy
Biggest winner is of course longevity and not being a strong defender, but i cannot think of many longevity titans who i would take over magic 12 years if i was starting a team.
I see thw latw 0's/early 10's range as fairly interchangeable here with the likes bird, shaq, curry, oscar, kobe, garnett, dirk. And cam be swayed to take some of those over him.
Will try to do a more in depth post and maybe add am alternate after i have more time to think on this
Moonbeam wrote:I've been playing around with box score data to run regressions on WOWY. Traditional WOWY statistics ignore what other players may be missing, so running a regression should offer an improvement. I've been looking at 5-year windows and have applied some shrinkage techniques like Ridge (as used in RAPM), Adaptive lasso and Adaptive Elastic net. I've been thinking about this with the view of voting for Magic here and thought I'd share the data I'm looking at before writing up my voting post. For simplicity now, I'll call this metric "RWOWY" for regressed WOWY, and then "RWOWY-Ridge", "RWOWY-Lasso", and "RWOWY-ENet" for the ridge, adaptive lasso, and adaptive elastic net variants.
These values make use of all games (regular season and playoffs) and all players who averaged at least 18 MPG for the season. I'll print out the results for 5-year spans over Magic's career for players who won at least one award (All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense) during that span.
Immediate Hall of Fame RealGM post; you should make it into its own thread.
(And I appreciate having more material to use for my eventual Bob Lanier nomination. )
Are the excised rankings just players who played too few minutes to come across as notable? Might be appropriate to set a certain minimum games played threshold; I notice top rookies seem to do inordinately well.
Thanks! I might make a separate post at some stage once I have more data to share.
As far as the players listed, I've only included the ones who won awards within this timeframe just for simplicity (and character limits). If I made the data more public, I'd include everyone.
These figures will place an extraordinary amount of weight on players who miss some seasons within the window, so not only rookies, but players whose careers end as well.
Would be very curious if there was a way to incorperate indirect stuff(rockets before drafting hakeem, bulls before drafting Jordan, ect), great work though!
Moonbeam wrote:I've been playing around with box score data to run regressions on WOWY. Traditional WOWY statistics ignore what other players may be missing, so running a regression should offer an improvement. I've been looking at 5-year windows and have applied some shrinkage techniques like Ridge (as used in RAPM), Adaptive lasso and Adaptive Elastic net. I've been thinking about this with the view of voting for Magic here and thought I'd share the data I'm looking at before writing up my voting post. For simplicity now, I'll call this metric "RWOWY" for regressed WOWY, and then "RWOWY-Ridge", "RWOWY-Lasso", and "RWOWY-ENet" for the ridge, adaptive lasso, and adaptive elastic net variants.
These values make use of all games (regular season and playoffs) and all players who averaged at least 18 MPG for the season. I'll print out the results for 5-year spans over Magic's career for players who won at least one award (All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense) during that span.
Immediate Hall of Fame RealGM post; you should make it into its own thread.
(And I appreciate having more material to use for my eventual Bob Lanier nomination. )
Are the excised rankings just players who played too few minutes to come across as notable? Might be appropriate to set a certain minimum games played threshold; I notice top rookies seem to do inordinately well.
Thanks! I might make a separate post at some stage once I have more data to share.
As far as the players listed, I've only included the ones who won awards within this timeframe just for simplicity (and character limits). If I made the data more public, I'd include everyone.
Oh, got it; I interpreted “print out” in an odd way.
These figures will place an extraordinary amount of weight on players who miss some seasons within the window, so not only rookies, but players whose careers end as well.
I should have phrased that more carefully; I meant leave players unranked without a certain threshold of games, without taking away their data, but that is probably an unnecessary concern when most people will be able to self-filter accordingly.
AEnigma wrote:Immediate Hall of Fame RealGM post; you should make it into its own thread.
(And I appreciate having more material to use for my eventual Bob Lanier nomination. )
Are the excised rankings just players who played too few minutes to come across as notable? Might be appropriate to set a certain minimum games played threshold; I notice top rookies seem to do inordinately well.
Thanks! I might make a separate post at some stage once I have more data to share.
As far as the players listed, I've only included the ones who won awards within this timeframe just for simplicity (and character limits). If I made the data more public, I'd include everyone.
These figures will place an extraordinary amount of weight on players who miss some seasons within the window, so not only rookies, but players whose careers end as well.
Would be very curious if there was a way to incorperate indirect stuff(rockets before drafting hakeem, bulls before drafting Jordan, ect), great work though!
That is exactly what he did lol. Otherwise there is no real “without” sample for a lot of these rookies.
falcolombardi wrote:... Magic johnson (#8) Goat level offense with a skillset that would translate seamlessly across eras, ...
Why would it matter in the slightest whether a player's skillset would translate across eras. Different situations within their own era (portability) is a different and at least potentially viable question. But not whether Stephen Curry's 3 point shooting would matter in the NBA in the 70s, or whether a George Mikan could be a star today in the pace and space era (though no one who makes comments like this ever translates the other way).
If they were dominant in their own era, more so than a player who has a skillset that would play better today (Alex English v. Dale Ellis for example), they were better and more valuable. Looking at the strength of the era is legitimate; rating everyone based on how they might play with a set of rules and assumptions that didn't exist at the time is not.
“Most people use statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost; more for support than illumination,” Andrew Lang.
The nature of considering player circumstances already opens us up to considering circumstances of time. That is not unusual or prohibited by the rules as far as I can tell. Many people brought up that Wilt and Russell had comparatively disproportionate defensive impact in their era without comment.
EDIT: You had nearly this exact conversation with the current project-runner back in 2020.
Doctor MJ wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:Why should it matter what impact a player like Moses would have today? That's like penalizing Curry because before 1980, the 3 pointer wouldn't be counted as 3 points. I refuse to do this, in either direction. What matters is how strongly he impacted his era (and of course, how strong that era was).
I'm not saying anyone else has to think in these terms, but for reasons that I've gone into, I often find it hard to avoid.
Moonbeam wrote: Thanks! I might make a separate post at some stage once I have more data to share.
As far as the players listed, I've only included the ones who won awards within this timeframe just for simplicity (and character limits). If I made the data more public, I'd include everyone.
These figures will place an extraordinary amount of weight on players who miss some seasons within the window, so not only rookies, but players whose careers end as well.
Would be very curious if there was a way to incorperate indirect stuff(rockets before drafting hakeem, bulls before drafting Jordan, ect), great work though!
That is exactly what he did lol. Otherwise there is no real “without” sample for a lot of these rookies.
Yeah, this method essentially treats these 5-year windows as single "seasons" with lots of transactions and missingness for players who didn't play in all 5 of those years. For example, the 1983-1987 window would treat Hakeem as a mid-season signing once we get to the 1984-85 part of the "season", and treat George Gervin as an "injury" during the 1986-87 portion of the "season".
Some of the pros of this approach are that we get the impact of rookies, players changing teams between seasons, and retirements. Some of the cons are that it more or less assumes constant quality of the players across the 5-year window.
If I get around to publishing it, though, I would be posting other periods as well --- it's easily generalizable to 1-year periods, 3-year windows, 5-year windows, and so forth.
Moonbeam wrote:I've been playing around with box score data to run regressions on WOWY. Traditional WOWY statistics ignore what other players may be missing, so running a regression should offer an improvement. I've been looking at 5-year windows and have applied some shrinkage techniques like Ridge (as used in RAPM), Adaptive lasso and Adaptive Elastic net. I've been thinking about this with the view of voting for Magic here and thought I'd share the data I'm looking at before writing up my voting post. For simplicity now, I'll call this metric "RWOWY" for regressed WOWY, and then "RWOWY-Ridge", "RWOWY-Lasso", and "RWOWY-ENet" for the ridge, adaptive lasso, and adaptive elastic net variants.
These values make use of all games (regular season and playoffs) and all players who averaged at least 18 MPG for the season. I'll print out the results for 5-year spans over Magic's career for players who won at least one award (All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense) during that span.
Immediate Hall of Fame RealGM post; you should make it into its own thread.
(And I appreciate having more material to use for my eventual Bob Lanier nomination. )
Are the excised rankings just players who played too few minutes to come across as notable? Might be appropriate to set a certain minimum games played threshold; I notice top rookies seem to do inordinately well.
Thanks! I might make a separate post at some stage once I have more data to share.
As far as the players listed, I've only included the ones who won awards within this timeframe just for simplicity (and character limits). If I made the data more public, I'd include everyone.
These figures will place an extraordinary amount of weight on players who miss some seasons within the window, so not only rookies, but players whose careers end as well.
Agree with AEnigma—this is a Hall of Fame post, and I really do hope you make it into a separate thread that we can then sticky. I am really impressed with Magic Johnson and the little pieces of data that we have make him look like an impact titan, maybe at the very top of the pre-data about era. I always assumed that Larry Bird’s impact profile would look stronger given his defensive motor and his strong defense of rebounding, especially for contested rebounds and with complete data it might still, but looks like we may have some clear separation between Magic Johnson and Larry Bird.
Also nice to see one of my favorite players from the 1980s, Paul Pressey, looking really good in this dataset, matching some of that gaudy two-way BPM numbers he has during that Milwaukee Bucks core run.
lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.
lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
I'll keep this short and sweet as I keep coming up against the deadline. As always, this is a good set of candidates and it's not easy to pick among them. All have reasonable arguments here. I'm voting Magic Johnson as he seems to measure up across the board using traditional, box-score based, or WOWY-esque stats quite strongly. I know we can't directly compare him with +/- titans like KG and Steph, but everything points to Magic being a high-impact superstar for 12 straight years from 1980-1991 (with the 1981 season being limited by injury). And although he had great teammates throughout that time, I think his offensive mastery and consistent drive for success extended Kareem's career significantly and elevated players like James Worthy and Byron Scott beyond what they may have otherwise achieved. Bird has a fair amount of similarities here, but his profile tends to look a bit worse and less robust to the postseason.
Shaq and KG likewise have careers that largely overlapped. KG certainly has a +/- edge, while Shaq has a notable box score edge. Neither of these are precise measurements, of course, but they point to a distinction between the two, with Shaq dominating the game in ways that are reflected in box scores and KG serving as the glue that keeps teams functional by doing everything in between. I obviously can't fault KG's lack of team success in comparison to Shaq given the different circumstances of their teams. That said, in an era where points were at an ultimate premium, I can't help but feel that Shaq's bulldozer dominance in the paint had outsized influence. Lots of great points have been written over the years in regard to him not maximizing his potential, which I agree with on many fronts, but he still impacted the game massively and collapsed opposing defenses in a way that I hadn't seen before or since in my 35+ years of watching the game. I prefer KG as a personality and as a player, but I'm not sure I can convince myself that he could yield the same performance in Shaq's situation. It's a tough choice here, but my gut says Shaq for now.
Curry is harder for me to reconcile. My feeling is that judging regular season performance alone would have him at the top of this set of nominees (and possibly a few who have already been enshrined in our list). And although he routinely torched my beloved Blazers postseason after postseason, other teams tended to find ways to limit him more effectively in the playoffs. Furthermore, it's hard for me to reconcile the post-KD Warriors. Curry and Draymond being such outlierish +/- kings couldn't manage a playoff run in 2021, yet with Klay back in the lineup for part of the season, they titled in 2022 despite significantly more missed games by Steph and Draymond. I'll have to read through to see if something can help explain these disparate outcomes. I'm open to voting for Curry soon, but I can't put him over Magic.
I'll continue to ring the bell for George Mikan to be nominated, even if he likely won't be for quite some time. The sustained in-era individual and team dominance he achieved is worthy of consideration. I've got Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Dr. J, and Kobe on my radar for nomination as well.
AEnigma wrote:Immediate Hall of Fame RealGM post; you should make it into its own thread.
(And I appreciate having more material to use for my eventual Bob Lanier nomination. )
Are the excised rankings just players who played too few minutes to come across as notable? Might be appropriate to set a certain minimum games played threshold; I notice top rookies seem to do inordinately well.
Thanks! I might make a separate post at some stage once I have more data to share.
As far as the players listed, I've only included the ones who won awards within this timeframe just for simplicity (and character limits). If I made the data more public, I'd include everyone.
These figures will place an extraordinary amount of weight on players who miss some seasons within the window, so not only rookies, but players whose careers end as well.
Agree with AEnigma—this is a Hall of Fame post, and I really do hope you make it into a separate thread that we can then sticky. I am really impressed with Magic Johnson and the little pieces of data that we have make him look like an impact titan, maybe at the very top of the pre-data about era. I always assumed that Larry Bird’s impact profile would look stronger given his defensive motor and his strong defense of rebounding, especially for contested rebounds and with complete data it might still, but looks like we may have some clear separation between Magic Johnson and Larry Bird.
Also nice to see one of my favorite players from the 1980s, Paul Pressey, looking really good in this dataset, matching some of that gaudy two-way BPM numbers he has during that Milwaukee Bucks core run.
I loved watching Paul Pressey in those days. Such an underrated player in my view. He's my go-to player to name as the best player in history who never made an All-Star game.
Moonbeam wrote: Thanks! I might make a separate post at some stage once I have more data to share.
As far as the players listed, I've only included the ones who won awards within this timeframe just for simplicity (and character limits). If I made the data more public, I'd include everyone.
These figures will place an extraordinary amount of weight on players who miss some seasons within the window, so not only rookies, but players whose careers end as well.
Agree with AEnigma—this is a Hall of Fame post, and I really do hope you make it into a separate thread that we can then sticky. I am really impressed with Magic Johnson and the little pieces of data that we have make him look like an impact titan, maybe at the very top of the pre-data about era. I always assumed that Larry Bird’s impact profile would look stronger given his defensive motor and his strong defense of rebounding, especially for contested rebounds and with complete data it might still, but looks like we may have some clear separation between Magic Johnson and Larry Bird.
Also nice to see one of my favorite players from the 1980s, Paul Pressey, looking really good in this dataset, matching some of that gaudy two-way BPM numbers he has during that Milwaukee Bucks core run.
I loved watching Paul Pressey in those days. Such an underrated player in my view. He's my go-to player to name as the best player in history who never made an All-Star game.
Pressey was so good on both ends of the floor. It's a crime he never got voted in the all-star game in the same era when players like Otis Birdsong, Rolando Blackman or Jeff Malone got in. Not to mention that he was significantly better player than his own teammate - Cummings - who was voted in the all-star game as well.
homecourtloss wrote: Agree with AEnigma—this is a Hall of Fame post, and I really do hope you make it into a separate thread that we can then sticky. I am really impressed with Magic Johnson and the little pieces of data that we have make him look like an impact titan, maybe at the very top of the pre-data about era. I always assumed that Larry Bird’s impact profile would look stronger given his defensive motor and his strong defense of rebounding, especially for contested rebounds and with complete data it might still, but looks like we may have some clear separation between Magic Johnson and Larry Bird.
Also nice to see one of my favorite players from the 1980s, Paul Pressey, looking really good in this dataset, matching some of that gaudy two-way BPM numbers he has during that Milwaukee Bucks core run.
I loved watching Paul Pressey in those days. Such an underrated player in my view. He's my go-to player to name as the best player in history who never made an All-Star game.
Pressey was so good on both ends of the floor. It's a crime he never got voted in the all-star game in the same era when players like Otis Birdsong, Rolando Blackman or Jeff Malone got in. Not to mention that he was significantly better player than his own teammate - Cummings - who was voted in the all-star game as well.
So smooth playing under control with that incredible length. His release point on his jumpers might be one of the highest that we’ve ever seen for a wing. He was also such a creative passer, and had some really fun stuff in transition. You are right about the travesty of such inferior players, making the All-Star game ahead of him. I would say that only Arvydas Sabonis was definitely a player who was better than Paul Pressey who also didn’t make an All-Star team. Maybe Lamar Odom as well.
That 1981-1986 Bucks’ run might be the best 6 year run ever that didn’t result in a Finals appearance. They just couldn’t beat the Philadelphia 76ers and Boston Celtics.
lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.
lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
I'll keep this short and sweet as I keep coming up against the deadline. As always, this is a good set of candidates and it's not easy to pick among them. All have reasonable arguments here. I'm voting Magic Johnson as he seems to measure up across the board using traditional, box-score based, or WOWY-esque stats quite strongly. I know we can't directly compare him with +/- titans like KG and Steph, but everything points to Magic being a high-impact superstar for 12 straight years from 1980-1991 (with the 1981 season being limited by injury). And although he had great teammates throughout that time, I think his offensive mastery and consistent drive for success extended Kareem's career significantly and elevated players like James Worthy and Byron Scott beyond what they may have otherwise achieved. Bird has a fair amount of similarities here, but his profile tends to look a bit worse and less robust to the postseason.
Shaq and KG likewise have careers that largely overlapped. KG certainly has a +/- edge, while Shaq has a notable box score edge. Neither of these are precise measurements, of course, but they point to a distinction between the two, with Shaq dominating the game in ways that are reflected in box scores and KG serving as the glue that keeps teams functional by doing everything in between. I obviously can't fault KG's lack of team success in comparison to Shaq given the different circumstances of their teams. That said, in an era where points were at an ultimate premium, I can't help but feel that Shaq's bulldozer dominance in the paint had outsized influence. Lots of great points have been written over the years in regard to him not maximizing his potential, which I agree with on many fronts, but he still impacted the game massively and collapsed opposing defenses in a way that I hadn't seen before or since in my 35+ years of watching the game. I prefer KG as a personality and as a player, but I'm not sure I can convince myself that he could yield the same performance in Shaq's situation. It's a tough choice here, but my gut says Shaq for now.
Curry is harder for me to reconcile. My feeling is that judging regular season performance alone would have him at the top of this set of nominees (and possibly a few who have already been enshrined in our list). And although he routinely torched my beloved Blazers postseason after postseason, other teams tended to find ways to limit him more effectively in the playoffs. Furthermore, it's hard for me to reconcile the post-KD Warriors. Curry and Draymond being such outlierish +/- kings couldn't manage a playoff run in 2021, yet with Klay back in the lineup for part of the season, they titled in 2022 despite significantly more missed games by Steph and Draymond. I'll have to read through to see if something can help explain these disparate outcomes. I'm open to voting for Curry soon, but I can't put him over Magic.
I'll continue to ring the bell for George Mikan to be nominated, even if he likely won't be for quite some time. The sustained in-era individual and team dominance he achieved is worthy of consideration. I've got Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Dr. J, and Kobe on my radar for nomination as well.
Curry is harder for me to reconcile. My feeling is that judging regular season performance alone would have him at the top of this set of nominees (and possibly a few who have already been enshrined in our list). And although he routinely torched my beloved Blazers postseason after postseason, other teams tended to find ways to limit him more effectively in the playoffs. Furthermore, it's hard for me to reconcile the post-KD Warriors. Curry and Draymond being such outlierish +/- kings couldn't manage a playoff run in 2021, yet with Klay back in the lineup for part of the season, they titled in 2022 despite significantly more missed games by Steph and Draymond. I'll have to read through to see if something can help explain these disparate outcomes. I'm open to voting for Curry soon, but I can't put him over Magic.
21 vs 22
I think its not about Klay or how many games played Curry and Green. The main reasons GSW were successful are:
1. No Wiseman/Oubre/Paschall in 2022.
Curry/Green/Wiggs w/o Wiseman/Oubre in 572min +14.7nrtg (2021)
2. Poole became a strong starting player. Compared to last year's stay at the Gleague, this is a big change. 3. Role players Porter/Bjelica/Payton over Baze/Wisemann/Paschall
These numbers tell us everything we need to know.
Stephen Curry, Andrew Wiggins, Draymond Green + James Wiseman -12.0 nrtg Stephen Curry, Andrew Wiggins, Draymond Green + Kevon Looney +12.2 nrtg
Stephen Curry, Andrew Wiggins, Draymond Green + James Wiseman, Kelly Oubre -13.9 nrtg Stephen Curry, Andrew Wiggins, Draymond Green w/o James Wiseman, Kelly Oubre +14.73nrtg
Kerr is all time HC, but these experiments with Wiseman in 2021 and young players as second unit in 2023 are mind blowing from bad side
Moonbeam wrote:I've been playing around with box score data to run regressions on WOWY. Traditional WOWY statistics ignore what other players may be missing, so running a regression should offer an improvement. I've been looking at 5-year windows and have applied some shrinkage techniques like Ridge (as used in RAPM), Adaptive lasso and Adaptive Elastic net. I've been thinking about this with the view of voting for Magic here and thought I'd share the data I'm looking at before writing up my voting post. For simplicity now, I'll call this metric "RWOWY" for regressed WOWY, and then "RWOWY-Ridge", "RWOWY-Lasso", and "RWOWY-ENet" for the ridge, adaptive lasso, and adaptive elastic net variants.
These values make use of all games (regular season and playoffs) and all players who averaged at least 18 MPG for the season. I'll print out the results for 5-year spans over Magic's career for players who won at least one award (All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense) during that span.
Immediate Hall of Fame RealGM post; you should make it into its own thread.
(And I appreciate having more material to use for my eventual Bob Lanier nomination. )
Are the excised rankings just players who played too few minutes to come across as notable? Might be appropriate to set a certain minimum games played threshold; I notice top rookies seem to do inordinately well.
Thanks! I might make a separate post at some stage once I have more data to share.
As far as the players listed, I've only included the ones who won awards within this timeframe just for simplicity (and character limits). If I made the data more public, I'd include everyone.
These figures will place an extraordinary amount of weight on players who miss some seasons within the window, so not only rookies, but players whose careers end as well.
Wanted to put another voice toward saying I’d be very interested in seeing the results of this project.
Moonbeam wrote:I've been playing around with box score data to run regressions on WOWY. Traditional WOWY statistics ignore what other players may be missing, so running a regression should offer an improvement. I've been looking at 5-year windows and have applied some shrinkage techniques like Ridge (as used in RAPM), Adaptive lasso and Adaptive Elastic net. I've been thinking about this with the view of voting for Magic here and thought I'd share the data I'm looking at before writing up my voting post. For simplicity now, I'll call this metric "RWOWY" for regressed WOWY, and then "RWOWY-Ridge", "RWOWY-Lasso", and "RWOWY-ENet" for the ridge, adaptive lasso, and adaptive elastic net variants.
These values make use of all games (regular season and playoffs) and all players who averaged at least 18 MPG for the season. I'll print out the results for 5-year spans over Magic's career for players who won at least one award (All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense) during that span.
Immediate Hall of Fame RealGM post; you should make it into its own thread.
(And I appreciate having more material to use for my eventual Bob Lanier nomination. )
Are the excised rankings just players who played too few minutes to come across as notable? Might be appropriate to set a certain minimum games played threshold; I notice top rookies seem to do inordinately well.
Thanks! I might make a separate post at some stage once I have more data to share.
As far as the players listed, I've only included the ones who won awards within this timeframe just for simplicity (and character limits). If I made the data more public, I'd include everyone.
These figures will place an extraordinary amount of weight on players who miss some seasons within the window, so not only rookies, but players whose careers end as well.
Question for clarification - are you running each 5 year regression individually, or running a bigger one across the 80s and applying it to 5 year windows? (So are the box-score variable estimates the same in each one, or changing).
I've been playing around with box score data to run regressions on WOWY. Traditional WOWY statistics ignore what other players may be missing, so running a regression should offer an improvement. I've been looking at 5-year windows and have applied some shrinkage techniques like Ridge (as used in RAPM), Adaptive lasso and Adaptive Elastic net. I've been thinking about this with the view of voting for Magic here and thought I'd share the data I'm looking at before writing up my voting post. For simplicity now, I'll call this metric "RWOWY" for regressed WOWY, and then "RWOWY-Ridge", "RWOWY-Lasso", and "RWOWY-ENet" for the ridge, adaptive lasso, and adaptive elastic net variants.
These values make use of all games (regular season and playoffs) and all players who averaged at least 18 MPG for the season. I'll print out the results for 5-year spans over Magic's career for players who won at least one award (All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense) during that span.
1980-1984:
[spoiler]RWOWY:
#11 Magic Johnson: 5.719 #15 Jack Sikma: 5.381 #20 Don Buse: 4.930 #22 Buck Williams: 4.850 #23 Isiah Thomas: 4.798 #27 Rickey Green: 4.555 #28 Bill Cartwright: 4.536 #30 T.R. Dunn: 4.212 #31 Julius Erving: 4.183 #34 Jeff Ruland: 4.061 #35 Dan Roundfield: 4.054 #36 Andrew Toney: 3.941 #41 Dennis Johnson: 3.812 #45 Moses Malone: 3.587 #49 Artis Gilmore: 3.368 #50 Norm Nixon: 3.314 #52 Robert Parish: 3.132 #54 Ralph Sampson: 3.055 #58 Larry Bird: 2.910 #63 Kelly Tripucka: 2.738 #66 Bob Lanier: 2.689 #67 Michael Cooper: 2.635 #71 Quinn Buckner: 2.522 #82 Tree Rollins: 2.314 #84 Kiki Vandeweghe: 2.255 #95 David Thompson: 1.901 #114 Alex English: 1.358 #127 John Drew: 0.962 #128 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.950 #136 Reggie Theus: 0.792 #144 Maurice Lucas: 0.703 #145 World B. Free: 0.691 #158 Sidney Moncrief: 0.422 #159 Jim Paxson: 0.407 #165 George Johnson: 0.207 #166 Kermit Washington: 0.199 #170 Adrian Dantley: 0.133 #171 George Gervin: 0.104 #173 Eddie Johnson: 0.0969 #178 Scott Wedman: -0.0169 #182 Mark Aguirre: -0.176 #185 Bernard King: -0.229 #186 Caldwell Jones: -0.250 #187 Walter Davis: -0.287 #199 Lonnie Shelton: -0.544 #204 Bobby Jones: -0.724 #205 Paul Westphal: -0.729 #206 Marques Johnson: -0.753 #221 Otis Birdsong: -1.213 #225 Tiny Archibald: -1.412 #233 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: -1.660 #243 Dave Cowens: -1.960 #251 Truck Robinson: -2.175 #255 Elvin Hayes: -2.332 #256 Maurice Cheeks: -2.334 #266 Gus Williams: -2.666 #268 Kevin McHale: -2.780 #281 Jamaal Wilkes: -3.440 #299 Dudley Bradley: -4.441 #302 Bill Laimbeer: -4.743 #308 Mike Mitchell: -5.636
RWOWY-Ridge:
#5 Magic Johnson: 2.261 #8 Andrew Toney: 1.810 #9 Bob Lanier: 1.786 #17 Dennis Johnson: 1.425 #20 Larry Bird: 1.253 #21 Quinn Buckner: 1.225 #22 Julius Erving: 1.221 #24 Isiah Thomas: 1.197 #26 Dan Roundfield: 1.188 #29 Don Buse: 1.031 #32 Moses Malone: 1.025 #38 Kelly Tripucka: 0.955 #44 Artis Gilmore: 0.880 #45 Kevin McHale: 0.870 #52 Tree Rollins: 0.812 #53 John Drew: 0.810 #55 Jack Sikma: 0.755 #58 Gus Williams: 0.734 #59 Michael Cooper: 0.734 #60 David Thompson: 0.727 #61 Robert Parish: 0.713 #64 Bobby Jones: 0.681 #68 Norm Nixon: 0.655 #69 George Johnson: 0.650 #72 Lonnie Shelton: 0.620 #75 Maurice Cheeks: 0.590 #79 Sidney Moncrief: 0.565 #80 Buck Williams: 0.547 #91 Walter Davis: 0.489 #94 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.449 #100 Jim Paxson: 0.400 #103 Bill Cartwright: 0.381 #107 Bernard King: 0.361 #115 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.306 #117 Jamaal Wilkes: 0.284 #120 Marques Johnson: 0.265 #121 T.R. Dunn: 0.264 #124 Kermit Washington: 0.247 #125 George Gervin: 0.240 #134 Maurice Lucas: 0.195 #137 World B. Free: 0.175 #140 Truck Robinson: 0.123 #143 Jeff Ruland: 0.112 #148 Otis Birdsong: 0.0927 #153 Dave Cowens: 0.0612 #156 Dudley Bradley: 0.0282 #159 Reggie Theus: 0.00813 #163 Eddie Johnson: -0.00466 #169 Scott Wedman: -0.0586 #170 Tiny Archibald: -0.0592 #174 Micheal Ray Richardson: -0.088 #176 Alex English: -0.106 #189 Paul Westphal: -0.196 #192 Mark Aguirre: -0.233 #195 Rickey Green: -0.247 #204 Caldwell Jones: -0.326 #229 Ralph Sampson: -0.577 #231 Adrian Dantley: -0.584 #244 Elvin Hayes: -0.727 #251 Mike Mitchell: -0.777 #252 Bill Laimbeer: -0.792
RWOWY-Lasso:
#2 Magic Johnson: 5.500 #7 Andrew Toney: 3.577 #10 Bob Lanier: 2.998 #14 Dan Roundfield: 2.617 #17 Dennis Johnson: 2.295 #20 Jack Sikma: 2.229 #25 Larry Bird: 2.047 #27 Isiah Thomas: 2.023 #30 Moses Malone: 1.793 #32 Don Buse: 1.596 #35 Julius Erving: 1.379 #37 Artis Gilmore: 1.277 #39 Robert Parish: 1.230 #41 Quinn Buckner: 0.971 #46 Buck Williams: 0.817 #50 Gus Williams: 0.590 #54 David Thompson: 0.398 #57 Norm Nixon: 0.102 #154.5 Adrian Dantley: 0.000 #154.5 Alex English: 0.000 #154.5 Bernard King: 0.000 #154.5 Bill Cartwright: 0.000 #154.5 Bobby Jones: 0.000 #154.5 Dave Cowens: 0.000 #154.5 Eddie Johnson: 0.000 #154.5 George Gervin: 0.000 #154.5 Jamaal Wilkes: 0.000 #154.5 Jeff Ruland: 0.000 #154.5 Jim Paxson: 0.000 #154.5 John Drew: 0.000 #154.5 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.000 #154.5 Kelly Tripucka: 0.000 #154.5 Kermit Washington: 0.000 #154.5 Kevin McHale: 0.000 #154.5 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.000 #154.5 Lonnie Shelton: 0.000 #154.5 Mark Aguirre: 0.000 #154.5 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #154.5 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #154.5 Maurice Lucas: 0.000 #154.5 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #154.5 Tiny Archibald: 0.000 #154.5 Otis Birdsong: 0.000 #154.5 Paul Westphal: 0.000 #154.5 Reggie Theus: 0.000 #154.5 Rickey Green: 0.000 #154.5 Scott Wedman: 0.000 #154.5 Sidney Moncrief: 0.000 #154.5 Truck Robinson: 0.000 #154.5 Walter Davis: 0.000 #154.5 World B. Free: 0.000 #154.5 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #154.5 Tree Rollins: 0.000 #154.5 T.R. Dunn: 0.000 #154.5 Caldwell Jones: 0.000 #154.5 George Johnson: 0.000 #154.5 Dudley Bradley: 0.000 #253 Elvin Hayes: -0.0786 #279 Ralph Sampson: -1.182 #292 Mike Mitchell: -1.820 #299 Bill Laimbeer: -2.095
RWOWY-ENet:
#2 Magic Johnson: 4.854 #7 Andrew Toney: 3.300 #10 Bob Lanier: 2.779 #16 Dan Roundfield: 2.253 #17 Dennis Johnson: 2.230 #20 Isiah Thomas: 2.017 #22 Larry Bird: 1.956 #29 Moses Malone: 1.818 #31 Don Buse: 1.591 #33 Julius Erving: 1.524 #34 Jack Sikma: 1.427 #37 Robert Parish: 1.307 #42 Artis Gilmore: 1.187 #43 Quinn Buckner: 1.068 #46 Buck Williams: 0.742 #47 Gus Williams: 0.727 #53 David Thompson: 0.564 #57 Norm Nixon: 0.475 #58 Bill Cartwright: 0.378 #59 John Drew: 0.363 #60 Tree Rollins: 0.305 #155 Adrian Dantley: 0.000 #155 Alex English: 0.000 #155 Bernard King: 0.000 #155 Bobby Jones: 0.000 #155 Dave Cowens: 0.000 #155 Eddie Johnson: 0.000 #155 George Gervin: 0.000 #155 Jamaal Wilkes: 0.000 #155 Jeff Ruland: 0.000 #155 Jim Paxson: 0.000 #155 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.000 #155 Kelly Tripucka: 0.000 #155 Kermit Washington: 0.000 #155 Kevin McHale: 0.000 #155 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.000 #155 Lonnie Shelton: 0.000 #155 Mark Aguirre: 0.000 #155 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #155 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #155 Maurice Lucas: 0.000 #155 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #155 Tiny Archibald: 0.000 #155 Otis Birdsong: 0.000 #155 Paul Westphal: 0.000 #155 Reggie Theus: 0.000 #155 Rickey Green: 0.000 #155 Scott Wedman: 0.000 #155 Sidney Moncrief: 0.000 #155 Truck Robinson: 0.000 #155 Walter Davis: 0.000 #155 World B. Free: 0.000 #155 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #155 T.R. Dunn: 0.000 #155 Caldwell Jones: 0.000 #155 George Johnson: 0.000 #155 Dudley Bradley: 0.000 #252 Elvin Hayes: -0.311 #284 Ralph Sampson: -1.353 #288 Mike Mitchell: -1.536 #299 Bill Laimbeer: -2.127
1981-1985:
Spoiler:
RWOWY:
#6 Michael Jordan: 8.995 #8 Jack Sikma: 8.731 #11 Kevin McHale: 7.950 #15 Terry Cummings: 7.115 #17 Paul Pressey: 6.378 #18 Buck Williams: 6.254 #19 Alex English: 6.133 #21 Magic Johnson: 5.655 #24 Andrew Toney: 4.518 #26 Artis Gilmore: 4.309 #28 Larry Nance: 4.157 #29 Moses Malone: 4.100 #30 T.R. Dunn: 4.073 #38 Sidney Moncrief: 3.566 #48 Bernard King: 3.142 #49 Julius Erving: 3.103 #57 Robert Parish: 2.841 #63 Dennis Johnson: 2.521 #66 Ralph Sampson: 2.481 #69 Michael Cooper: 2.454 #70 Dan Roundfield: 2.445 #75 Isiah Thomas: 2.314 #76 Jeff Ruland: 2.281 #83 Bob Lanier: 1.993 #91 Kiki Vandeweghe: 1.804 #93 Tree Rollins: 1.775 #95 Calvin Natt: 1.748 #99 Rickey Green: 1.654 #110 Kelly Tripucka: 1.431 #111 Reggie Theus: 1.348 #112 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 1.332 #113 Mark Eaton: 1.331 #114 Adrian Dantley: 1.311 #126 Gus Williams: 1.027 #127 Lonnie Shelton: 0.995 #128 Maurice Lucas: 0.954 #141 Kermit Washington: 0.682 #145 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.536 #148 Caldwell Jones: 0.502 #149 Hakeem Olajuwon: 0.493 #158 George Johnson: 0.236 #161 Danny Vranes: 0.175 #165 Eddie Johnson: 0.0358 #166 Norm Nixon: 0.000329 #169 Quinn Buckner: -0.0119 #171 David Thompson: -0.0601 #175 Marques Johnson: -0.141 #187 Mark Aguirre: -0.321 #189 Larry Bird: -0.396 #215 Maurice Cheeks: -1.158 #220 Tiny Archibald: -1.217 #229 Paul Westphal: -1.492 #230 Truck Robinson: -1.547 #235 Otis Birdsong: -1.727 #240 Jim Paxson: -1.910 #244 George Gervin: -2.027 #271 Bill Laimbeer: -2.878 #272 Bobby Jones: -2.904 #280 Walter Davis: -3.233 #284 Rolando Blackman: -3.627 #298 Jamaal Wilkes: -4.169 #304 Mike Mitchell: -4.602 #308 Dudley Bradley: -4.809
RWOWY-Ridge:
#2 Magic Johnson: 2.399 #6 Michael Jordan: 2.074 #10 Dennis Johnson: 1.698 #11 Sidney Moncrief: 1.697 #12 Larry Nance: 1.612 #14 Terry Cummings: 1.573 #15 Andrew Toney: 1.554 #16 Jack Sikma: 1.530 #20 Kevin McHale: 1.405 #22 Paul Pressey: 1.398 #23 Robert Parish: 1.387 #25 Lonnie Shelton: 1.365 #33 Moses Malone: 1.236 #35 Larry Bird: 1.174 #37 Gus Williams: 1.091 #38 Bernard King: 1.083 #40 Julius Erving: 1.075 #45 Bob Lanier: 0.991 #46 Dan Roundfield: 0.965 #48 Hakeem Olajuwon: 0.927 #51 Michael Cooper: 0.919 #53 George Johnson: 0.908 #56 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.863 #58 Kelly Tripucka: 0.823 #59 Artis Gilmore: 0.811 #64 Quinn Buckner: 0.698 #75 Tree Rollins: 0.611 #79 Buck Williams: 0.577 #80 Isiah Thomas: 0.570 #81 Maurice Cheeks: 0.570 #83 Calvin Natt: 0.540 #90 Mark Eaton: 0.499 #93 Bobby Jones: 0.459 #97 Kermit Washington: 0.414 #98 David Thompson: 0.414 #102 Alex English: 0.370 #103 Truck Robinson: 0.362 #106 Jeff Ruland: 0.348 #107 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.317 #117 T.R. Dunn: 0.254 #134 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.144 #138 Danny Vranes: 0.116 #139 Maurice Lucas: 0.111 #142 Dudley Bradley: 0.0962 #144 Reggie Theus: 0.0742 #145 Marques Johnson: 0.0664 #159 George Gervin: -0.0368 #166 Adrian Dantley: -0.0705 #170 Jim Paxson: -0.0871 #177 Mark Aguirre: -0.154 #179 Ralph Sampson: -0.157 #181 Norm Nixon: -0.206 #193 Rolando Blackman: -0.297 #200 Caldwell Jones: -0.345 #202 Eddie Johnson: -0.351 #204 Otis Birdsong: -0.354 #206 Tiny Archibald: -0.407 #213 Walter Davis: -0.442 #217 Paul Westphal: -0.494 #218 Bill Laimbeer: -0.517 #219 Rickey Green: -0.520 #229 Jamaal Wilkes: -0.660 #231 Mike Mitchell: -0.664
RWOWY-Lasso:
#2 Kevin McHale: 6.992 #3 Jack Sikma: 5.951 #4 Magic Johnson: 5.690 #5 Michael Jordan: 5.503 #11 Terry Cummings: 4.200 #13 Larry Nance: 4.021 #14 Sidney Moncrief: 3.717 #16 Andrew Toney: 3.607 #17 Moses Malone: 3.075 #23 Paul Pressey: 2.510 #27 Alex English: 2.216 #32 Bernard King: 1.878 #33 Dennis Johnson: 1.748 #36 Artis Gilmore: 1.686 #38 Dan Roundfield: 1.561 #45 Buck Williams: 1.249 #47 Michael Cooper: 1.058 #49 Calvin Natt: 0.870 #50 Lonnie Shelton: 0.864 #52 Bob Lanier: 0.789 #57 Kelly Tripucka: 0.602 #60 Julius Erving: 0.455 #66 Isiah Thomas: 0.284 #67 Gus Williams: 0.264 #155.5 Adrian Dantley: 0.000 #155.5 Bobby Jones: 0.000 #155.5 David Thompson: 0.000 #155.5 Eddie Johnson: 0.000 #155.5 George Gervin: 0.000 #155.5 Hakeem Olajuwon: 0.000 #155.5 Jeff Ruland: 0.000 #155.5 Jim Paxson: 0.000 #155.5 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.000 #155.5 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.000 #155.5 Larry Bird: 0.000 #155.5 Mark Aguirre: 0.000 #155.5 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #155.5 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #155.5 Maurice Lucas: 0.000 #155.5 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #155.5 Norm Nixon: 0.000 #155.5 Ralph Sampson: 0.000 #155.5 Reggie Theus: 0.000 #155.5 Rickey Green: 0.000 #155.5 Robert Parish: 0.000 #155.5 Rolando Blackman: 0.000 #155.5 Truck Robinson: 0.000 #155.5 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #155.5 T.R. Dunn: 0.000 #155.5 Danny Vranes: 0.000 #155.5 Tree Rollins: 0.000 #155.5 Caldwell Jones: 0.000 #155.5 Quinn Buckner: 0.000 #155.5 George Johnson: 0.000 #155.5 Kermit Washington: 0.000 #155.5 Dudley Bradley: 0.000 #240 Otis Birdsong: -0.0945 #246 Bill Laimbeer: -0.396 #254 Paul Westphal: -0.617 #256 Tiny Archibald: -0.753 #260 Walter Davis: -0.914 #284 Mike Mitchell: -1.717 #287 Jamaal Wilkes: -1.881
RWOWY-ENet:
#2 Magic Johnson: 5.140 #3 Jack Sikma: 4.943 #4 Kevin McHale: 4.880 #8 Michael Jordan: 4.533 #13 Larry Nance: 3.466 #14 Terry Cummings: 3.430 #15 Sidney Moncrief: 3.203 #16 Andrew Toney: 3.170 #18 Moses Malone: 2.595 #19 Paul Pressey: 2.552 #29 Dennis Johnson: 1.816 #30 Bernard King: 1.805 #32 Alex English: 1.628 #33 Robert Parish: 1.593 #38 Dan Roundfield: 1.400 #40 Artis Gilmore: 1.358 #45 Buck Williams: 1.144 #46 Lonnie Shelton: 0.995 #47 Michael Cooper: 0.957 #50 Julius Erving: 0.861 #52 Calvin Natt: 0.843 #54 Bob Lanier: 0.755 #56 Kelly Tripucka: 0.654 #59 Gus Williams: 0.571 #64 Isiah Thomas: 0.476 #73 T.R. Dunn: 0.0295 #74 Tree Rollins: 0.0119 #155 Adrian Dantley: 0.000 #155 Bobby Jones: 0.000 #155 David Thompson: 0.000 #155 Eddie Johnson: 0.000 #155 George Gervin: 0.000 #155 Hakeem Olajuwon: 0.000 #155 Jeff Ruland: 0.000 #155 Jim Paxson: 0.000 #155 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.000 #155 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.000 #155 Larry Bird: 0.000 #155 Mark Aguirre: 0.000 #155 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #155 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #155 Maurice Lucas: 0.000 #155 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #155 Norm Nixon: 0.000 #155 Ralph Sampson: 0.000 #155 Reggie Theus: 0.000 #155 Rickey Green: 0.000 #155 Rolando Blackman: 0.000 #155 Truck Robinson: 0.000 #155 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #155 Danny Vranes: 0.000 #155 Caldwell Jones: 0.000 #155 Quinn Buckner: 0.000 #155 George Johnson: 0.000 #155 Kermit Washington: 0.000 #155 Dudley Bradley: 0.000 #235 Otis Birdsong: -0.0348 #247 Tiny Archibald: -0.399 #249 Paul Westphal: -0.550 #250 Bill Laimbeer: -0.576 #252 Walter Davis: -0.662 #266 Mike Mitchell: -1.138 #282 Jamaal Wilkes: -1.545
1982-1986:
Spoiler:
RWOWY:
#3 Alex English: 10.381 #8 Jack Sikma: 8.634 #10 Paul Pressey: 7.145 #12 Terry Cummings: 6.894 #13 Patrick Ewing: 6.700 #14 Buck Williams: 6.485 #16 Magic Johnson: 6.417 #19 Charles Barkley: 5.732 #27 Hakeem Olajuwon: 4.800 #28 Artis Gilmore: 4.779 #32 Kevin McHale: 4.460 #35 Michael Jordan: 4.147 #37 Robert Parish: 4.072 #42 Manute Bol: 3.769 #45 Isiah Thomas: 3.636 #46 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 3.512 #50 Dennis Johnson: 3.070 #53 Larry Nance: 2.916 #54 Bernard King: 2.899 #55 Sidney Moncrief: 2.848 #57 Bob Lanier: 2.703 #63 Andrew Toney: 2.585 #72 Tree Rollins: 2.289 #78 Moses Malone: 2.217 #80 Clyde Drexler: 2.189 #90 Kiki Vandeweghe: 1.901 #91 Lonnie Shelton: 1.893 #95 Jeff Ruland: 1.803 #96 Julius Erving: 1.799 #101 Dan Roundfield: 1.727 #104 James Worthy: 1.598 #106 Reggie Theus: 1.519 #110 Jeff Malone: 1.473 #111 Kelly Tripucka: 1.420 #121 Alvin Robertson: 1.176 #128 Calvin Natt: 1.019 #135 Mark Eaton: 0.977 #137 Danny Vranes: 0.934 #138 Adrian Dantley: 0.917 #142 Larry Bird: 0.794 #145 Quinn Buckner: 0.731 #146 Rickey Green: 0.683 #154 David Thompson: 0.353 #156 Dominique Wilkins: 0.307 #169 Marques Johnson: -0.0282 #173 Mark Aguirre: -0.049 #174 Ralph Sampson: -0.0553 #175 Micheal Ray Richardson: -0.063 #178 Caldwell Jones: -0.093 #204 Michael Cooper: -0.592 #205 Maurice Cheeks: -0.609 #213 Bobby Jones: -0.797 #216 Norm Nixon: -0.922 #221 George Gervin: -1.131 #223 Jim Paxson: -1.155 #228 Bill Laimbeer: -1.337 #229 Gus Williams: -1.352 #233 Maurice Lucas: -1.428 #243 Otis Birdsong: -1.765 #246 Tiny Archibald: -1.870 #263 Bill Hanzlik: -2.555 #269 Walter Davis: -2.795 #292 Rolando Blackman: -4.376 #294 Jamaal Wilkes: -4.503 #296 T.R. Dunn: -4.571
RWOWY-Ridge:
#2 Patrick Ewing: 2.139 #5 Magic Johnson: 2.047 #8 Dennis Johnson: 1.862 #11 Sidney Moncrief: 1.653 #14 Paul Pressey: 1.568 #16 Hakeem Olajuwon: 1.555 #17 Kevin McHale: 1.543 #18 Robert Parish: 1.519 #20 Michael Jordan: 1.484 #22 Andrew Toney: 1.466 #23 Jack Sikma: 1.451 #26 Larry Bird: 1.325 #28 Bernard King: 1.283 #30 Larry Nance: 1.265 #35 Lonnie Shelton: 1.201 #37 Bob Lanier: 1.137 #38 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 1.136 #43 Terry Cummings: 1.025 #45 Moses Malone: 0.996 #52 Michael Cooper: 0.850 #57 Julius Erving: 0.823 #58 Artis Gilmore: 0.816 #62 James Worthy: 0.753 #66 Charles Barkley: 0.660 #70 David Thompson: 0.638 #73 Dan Roundfield: 0.601 #76 Gus Williams: 0.571 #78 Calvin Natt: 0.544 #79 Bobby Jones: 0.544 #82 Maurice Cheeks: 0.532 #87 Isiah Thomas: 0.481 #89 Alex English: 0.450 #91 Jeff Ruland: 0.438 #92 Kelly Tripucka: 0.436 #98 Clyde Drexler: 0.373 #106 Tree Rollins: 0.321 #109 Buck Williams: 0.301 #113 Quinn Buckner: 0.269 #121 Bill Hanzlik: 0.219 #124 Mark Eaton: 0.174 #132 Danny Vranes: 0.106 #136 T.R. Dunn: 0.0714 #137 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.0704 #140 Maurice Lucas: 0.0433 #141 Mark Aguirre: 0.0365 #147 Jim Paxson: -0.0101 #148 Adrian Dantley: -0.0176 #150 Ralph Sampson: -0.019 #151 Manute Bol: -0.0375 #152 Micheal Ray Richardson: -0.0435 #161 Bill Laimbeer: -0.123 #164 Dominique Wilkins: -0.134 #166 George Gervin: -0.144 #170 Marques Johnson: -0.181 #171 Rolando Blackman: -0.182 #176 Alvin Robertson: -0.224 #178 Jeff Malone: -0.229 #185 Reggie Theus: -0.254 #187 Rickey Green: -0.270 #201 Otis Birdsong: -0.412 #225 Tiny Archibald: -0.634 #227 Walter Davis: -0.643 #230 Norm Nixon: -0.676 #234 Caldwell Jones: -0.704 #236 Jamaal Wilkes: -0.710
RWOWY-Lasso:
#2 Jack Sikma: 6.841 #3 Magic Johnson: 6.651 #5 Hakeem Olajuwon: 3.943 #6 Kevin McHale: 3.893 #8 Larry Nance: 3.740 #9 Patrick Ewing: 3.697 #10 Robert Parish: 3.587 #11 Terry Cummings: 3.371 #12 Sidney Moncrief: 3.310 #14 Alex English: 3.183 #15 Paul Pressey: 3.179 #19 Andrew Toney: 2.972 #23 Bernard King: 2.703 #27 Michael Jordan: 2.476 #29 Charles Barkley: 2.318 #30 Moses Malone: 2.292 #33 Artis Gilmore: 2.031 #35 Dennis Johnson: 1.979 #37 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 1.921 #38 Isiah Thomas: 1.745 #39 Bob Lanier: 1.744 #46 Dan Roundfield: 1.268 #49 Lonnie Shelton: 1.194 #61 Jeff Ruland: 0.705 #63 Julius Erving: 0.627 #64 Buck Williams: 0.553 #66 Manute Bol: 0.380 #69 James Worthy: 0.242 #71 Jeff Malone: 0.220 #156.5 Adrian Dantley: 0.000 #156.5 Alvin Robertson: 0.000 #156.5 Bill Laimbeer: 0.000 #156.5 Bobby Jones: 0.000 #156.5 Calvin Natt: 0.000 #156.5 Clyde Drexler: 0.000 #156.5 David Thompson: 0.000 #156.5 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #156.5 George Gervin: 0.000 #156.5 Gus Williams: 0.000 #156.5 Jim Paxson: 0.000 #156.5 Kelly Tripucka: 0.000 #156.5 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.000 #156.5 Larry Bird: 0.000 #156.5 Mark Aguirre: 0.000 #156.5 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #156.5 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #156.5 Maurice Lucas: 0.000 #156.5 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #156.5 Otis Birdsong: 0.000 #156.5 Ralph Sampson: 0.000 #156.5 Reggie Theus: 0.000 #156.5 Rickey Green: 0.000 #156.5 Rolando Blackman: 0.000 #156.5 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #156.5 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #156.5 Bill Hanzlik: 0.000 #156.5 T.R. Dunn: 0.000 #156.5 Danny Vranes: 0.000 #156.5 Tree Rollins: 0.000 #156.5 Caldwell Jones: 0.000 #156.5 Quinn Buckner: 0.000 #259 Norm Nixon: -0.518 #263 Tiny Archibald: -0.607 #269 Walter Davis: -0.779 #304 Jamaal Wilkes: -3.083
RWOWY-ENet:
#2 Magic Johnson: 5.683 #3 Jack Sikma: 5.682 #5 Patrick Ewing: 3.615 #6 Kevin McHale: 3.499 #7 Hakeem Olajuwon: 3.481 #8 Paul Pressey: 3.377 #10 Robert Parish: 3.285 #12 Larry Nance: 3.116 #14 Sidney Moncrief: 2.985 #15 Terry Cummings: 2.719 #22 Alex English: 2.494 #23 Andrew Toney: 2.494 #26 Bernard King: 2.283 #27 Michael Jordan: 2.280 #28 Dennis Johnson: 2.147 #29 Charles Barkley: 2.041 #31 Moses Malone: 1.938 #35 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 1.749 #36 Artis Gilmore: 1.705 #37 Bob Lanier: 1.583 #43 Lonnie Shelton: 1.317 #45 Isiah Thomas: 1.268 #48 Dan Roundfield: 1.144 #59 Julius Erving: 0.755 #61 Jeff Ruland: 0.718 #66 Buck Williams: 0.454 #69 James Worthy: 0.366 #70 Manute Bol: 0.365 #75 Kelly Tripucka: 0.121 #78 Jeff Malone: 0.0906 #80 Clyde Drexler: 0.0294 #81 Calvin Natt: 0.0232 #157.5 Adrian Dantley: 0.000 #157.5 Alvin Robertson: 0.000 #157.5 Bill Laimbeer: 0.000 #157.5 Bobby Jones: 0.000 #157.5 David Thompson: 0.000 #157.5 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #157.5 George Gervin: 0.000 #157.5 Gus Williams: 0.000 #157.5 Jim Paxson: 0.000 #157.5 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.000 #157.5 Larry Bird: 0.000 #157.5 Mark Aguirre: 0.000 #157.5 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #157.5 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #157.5 Maurice Lucas: 0.000 #157.5 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #157.5 Ralph Sampson: 0.000 #157.5 Reggie Theus: 0.000 #157.5 Rickey Green: 0.000 #157.5 Rolando Blackman: 0.000 #157.5 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #157.5 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #157.5 Bill Hanzlik: 0.000 #157.5 T.R. Dunn: 0.000 #157.5 Danny Vranes: 0.000 #157.5 Tree Rollins: 0.000 #157.5 Caldwell Jones: 0.000 #157.5 Quinn Buckner: 0.000 #237 Otis Birdsong: -0.147 #253 Tiny Archibald: -0.522 #257 Norm Nixon: -0.694 #258 Walter Davis: -0.730 #299 Jamaal Wilkes: -2.506
1983-1987:
Spoiler:
RWOWY:
#4 Buck Williams: 11.708 #5 Alex English: 10.234 #7 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 7.649 #9 Paul Pressey: 7.386 #11 Terry Cummings: 7.340 #13 Hakeem Olajuwon: 6.600 #15 Magic Johnson: 6.561 #17 Robert Parish: 6.260 #23 Jack Sikma: 5.657 #24 Bill Laimbeer: 5.566 #25 Artis Gilmore: 5.493 #26 Danny Vranes: 5.160 #28 Manute Bol: 4.949 #29 Isiah Thomas: 4.877 #35 Michael Jordan: 4.108 #36 Larry Nance: 4.053 #44 Bernard King: 3.676 #49 Charles Barkley: 3.289 #52 Moses Malone: 3.203 #61 Clyde Drexler: 2.745 #62 Patrick Ewing: 2.743 #63 James Worthy: 2.599 #65 Tree Rollins: 2.562 #70 Dan Roundfield: 2.351 #75 Ralph Sampson: 2.248 #77 Calvin Natt: 2.240 #91 Sleepy Floyd: 1.982 #92 Dennis Johnson: 1.963 #98 Jeff Malone: 1.791 #107 Adrian Dantley: 1.655 #110 Larry Bird: 1.527 #117 Kiki Vandeweghe: 1.324 #122 Sidney Moncrief: 1.105 #123 Kevin McHale: 1.105 #124 Jeff Ruland: 1.097 #127 Maurice Cheeks: 1.000 #133 Fat Lever: 0.873 #134 Derek Harper: 0.860 #137 Dominique Wilkins: 0.819 #143 Andrew Toney: 0.656 #144 Reggie Theus: 0.656 #151 Bobby Jones: 0.532 #154 Kelly Tripucka: 0.414 #163 Joe Barry Carroll: 0.130 #181 Julius Erving: -0.282 #182 George Gervin: -0.312 #190 Rodney McCray: -0.643 #191 Jim Paxson: -0.663 #194 Micheal Ray Richardson: -0.706 #195 Alvin Robertson: -0.707 #196 Marques Johnson: -0.741 #208 Mark Aguirre: -0.950 #209 Tom Chambers: -0.972 #212 Norm Nixon: -1.003 #221 Maurice Lucas: -1.176 #230 Gus Williams: -1.570 #247 Mark Eaton: -2.188 #252 Rickey Green: -2.377 #261 Walter Davis: -2.749 #264 David Thompson: -2.908 #265 Otis Birdsong: -2.959 #269 Bill Hanzlik: -3.010 #284 Jamaal Wilkes: -4.050 #285 T.R. Dunn: -4.071 #287 Rolando Blackman: -4.907 #313 Michael Cooper: -8.260
RWOWY-Ridge:
#2 Paul Pressey: 1.839 #3 Hakeem Olajuwon: 1.811 #5 Magic Johnson: 1.679 #6 Dennis Johnson: 1.678 #8 Robert Parish: 1.592 #12 Sidney Moncrief: 1.501 #15 Larry Bird: 1.305 #16 Bernard King: 1.285 #20 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 1.201 #21 Michael Jordan: 1.196 #26 Kevin McHale: 1.156 #30 Larry Nance: 1.078 #32 Moses Malone: 1.049 #36 James Worthy: 0.986 #40 Andrew Toney: 0.931 #42 Jack Sikma: 0.845 #45 Calvin Natt: 0.782 #46 Bobby Jones: 0.774 #50 Terry Cummings: 0.763 #51 Isiah Thomas: 0.746 #53 Patrick Ewing: 0.741 #59 Michael Cooper: 0.669 #61 Charles Barkley: 0.649 #62 Adrian Dantley: 0.647 #63 Artis Gilmore: 0.646 #67 Dan Roundfield: 0.588 #69 Clyde Drexler: 0.573 #74 Maurice Cheeks: 0.536 #76 Derek Harper: 0.512 #84 Buck Williams: 0.473 #88 Bill Laimbeer: 0.458 #90 Danny Vranes: 0.436 #95 Tree Rollins: 0.395 #99 Julius Erving: 0.342 #100 Alex English: 0.341 #101 Gus Williams: 0.339 #106 Jeff Ruland: 0.316 #108 Ralph Sampson: 0.310 #110 Fat Lever: 0.296 #117 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.246 #118 Kelly Tripucka: 0.240 #123 Mark Aguirre: 0.200 #133 Rodney McCray: 0.122 #134 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.121 #140 Dominique Wilkins: 0.0503 #142 Jim Paxson: 0.0445 #145 T.R. Dunn: 0.0128 #146 Maurice Lucas: 0.00766 #155 Rolando Blackman: -0.0591 #158 George Gervin: -0.0739 #162 Joe Barry Carroll: -0.0927 #166 Jeff Malone: -0.122 #168 Marques Johnson: -0.161 #175 Manute Bol: -0.199 #177 Bill Hanzlik: -0.214 #180 Reggie Theus: -0.279 #181 David Thompson: -0.283 #188 Mark Eaton: -0.319 #191 Rickey Green: -0.339 #195 Otis Birdsong: -0.361 #197 Sleepy Floyd: -0.382 #206 Alvin Robertson: -0.442 #207 Walter Davis: -0.447 #246 Tom Chambers: -0.887 #249 Norm Nixon: -0.927 #284 Jamaal Wilkes: -1.581
RWOWY-Lasso:
#1 Paul Pressey: 6.578 #2 Robert Parish: 6.452 #3 Hakeem Olajuwon: 5.548 #4 Magic Johnson: 4.600 #7 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 3.897 #10 Moses Malone: 3.288 #11 Isiah Thomas: 2.914 #13 Danny Vranes: 2.527 #15 Clyde Drexler: 2.497 #16 Larry Nance: 2.414 #17 Artis Gilmore: 2.408 #19 Bernard King: 2.165 #21 Calvin Natt: 2.047 #23 Dennis Johnson: 1.992 #26 Charles Barkley: 1.874 #28 Buck Williams: 1.819 #29 Alex English: 1.789 #36 Jack Sikma: 1.421 #37 Terry Cummings: 1.265 #38 Michael Jordan: 1.265 #45 Patrick Ewing: 0.853 #51 Dan Roundfield: 0.724 #53 Adrian Dantley: 0.576 #161.5 Alvin Robertson: 0.000 #161.5 Andrew Toney: 0.000 #161.5 Bill Laimbeer: 0.000 #161.5 David Thompson: 0.000 #161.5 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #161.5 George Gervin: 0.000 #161.5 Gus Williams: 0.000 #161.5 James Worthy: 0.000 #161.5 Jeff Malone: 0.000 #161.5 Jeff Ruland: 0.000 #161.5 Jim Paxson: 0.000 #161.5 Joe Barry Carroll: 0.000 #161.5 Julius Erving: 0.000 #161.5 Kelly Tripucka: 0.000 #161.5 Kevin McHale: 0.000 #161.5 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.000 #161.5 Larry Bird: 0.000 #161.5 Mark Aguirre: 0.000 #161.5 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #161.5 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #161.5 Maurice Lucas: 0.000 #161.5 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #161.5 Ralph Sampson: 0.000 #161.5 Reggie Theus: 0.000 #161.5 Rickey Green: 0.000 #161.5 Rolando Blackman: 0.000 #161.5 Sidney Moncrief: 0.000 #161.5 Sleepy Floyd: 0.000 #161.5 Tom Chambers: 0.000 #161.5 Walter Davis: 0.000 #161.5 Fat Lever: 0.000 #161.5 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #161.5 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #161.5 Derek Harper: 0.000 #161.5 Rodney McCray: 0.000 #161.5 Manute Bol: 0.000 #161.5 Bill Hanzlik: 0.000 #161.5 T.R. Dunn: 0.000 #161.5 Bobby Jones: 0.000 #161.5 Tree Rollins: 0.000 #260 Norm Nixon: -0.144 #266 Otis Birdsong: -0.282 #302 Jamaal Wilkes: -4.400
RWOWY-ENet:
#1 Paul Pressey: 5.364 #2 Robert Parish: 5.172 #3 Hakeem Olajuwon: 5.012 #5 Magic Johnson: 3.888 #9 Moses Malone: 2.916 #10 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 2.882 #11 Isiah Thomas: 2.659 #16 Bernard King: 2.092 #17 Dennis Johnson: 2.086 #18 Larry Nance: 2.065 #20 Clyde Drexler: 1.850 #21 Artis Gilmore: 1.826 #24 Charles Barkley: 1.675 #27 Jack Sikma: 1.621 #29 Danny Vranes: 1.573 #30 Calvin Natt: 1.570 #34 Alex English: 1.433 #36 Buck Williams: 1.348 #37 Terry Cummings: 1.182 #39 Michael Jordan: 1.089 #47 Larry Bird: 0.754 #49 Patrick Ewing: 0.743 #54 Adrian Dantley: 0.609 #56 Dan Roundfield: 0.541 #59 James Worthy: 0.449 #62 Sidney Moncrief: 0.420 #162 Alvin Robertson: 0.000 #162 Andrew Toney: 0.000 #162 Bill Laimbeer: 0.000 #162 David Thompson: 0.000 #162 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #162 George Gervin: 0.000 #162 Gus Williams: 0.000 #162 Jeff Malone: 0.000 #162 Jeff Ruland: 0.000 #162 Jim Paxson: 0.000 #162 Joe Barry Carroll: 0.000 #162 Julius Erving: 0.000 #162 Kelly Tripucka: 0.000 #162 Kevin McHale: 0.000 #162 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.000 #162 Mark Aguirre: 0.000 #162 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #162 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #162 Maurice Lucas: 0.000 #162 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #162 Ralph Sampson: 0.000 #162 Reggie Theus: 0.000 #162 Rickey Green: 0.000 #162 Rolando Blackman: 0.000 #162 Tom Chambers: 0.000 #162 Walter Davis: 0.000 #162 Fat Lever: 0.000 #162 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #162 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #162 Derek Harper: 0.000 #162 Rodney McCray: 0.000 #162 Manute Bol: 0.000 #162 Bill Hanzlik: 0.000 #162 T.R. Dunn: 0.000 #162 Bobby Jones: 0.000 #162 Tree Rollins: 0.000 #260 Otis Birdsong: -0.310 #261 Sleepy Floyd: -0.312 #264 Norm Nixon: -0.466 #298 Jamaal Wilkes: -3.494
1984-1988:
Spoiler:
RWOWY:
#1 Bill Laimbeer: 11.893 #2 Paul Pressey: 8.159 #6 Charles Barkley: 7.151 #8 Danny Vranes: 6.566 #9 Buck Williams: 6.447 #10 Alex English: 6.208 #11 Magic Johnson: 5.836 #12 Jeff Malone: 5.616 #17 Alvin Robertson: 5.356 #19 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 5.254 #20 Jack Sikma: 5.146 #22 Doc Rivers: 4.888 #27 Robert Parish: 4.700 #29 James Donaldson: 4.605 #30 Bernard King: 4.581 #36 Karl Malone: 4.242 #38 Hakeem Olajuwon: 4.062 #40 Isiah Thomas: 3.963 #42 Terry Cummings: 3.835 #44 Larry Bird: 3.760 #46 Michael Jordan: 3.717 #48 Clyde Drexler: 3.561 #50 Larry Nance: 3.514 #62 Tree Rollins: 3.089 #64 Fat Lever: 3.053 #67 Artis Gilmore: 2.852 #77 John Stockton: 2.585 #78 Kevin McHale: 2.496 #79 Patrick Ewing: 2.474 #84 Ralph Sampson: 2.262 #91 Moses Malone: 2.029 #96 James Worthy: 1.945 #100 Dennis Johnson: 1.801 #105 Calvin Natt: 1.393 #115 Dan Roundfield: 1.067 #119 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.967 #131 Jeff Ruland: 0.784 #134 Joe Barry Carroll: 0.770 #139 Manute Bol: 0.718 #140 Danny Ainge: 0.714 #144 Michael Cooper: 0.638 #146 Sidney Moncrief: 0.604 #147 Steve Johnson: 0.571 #150 Bobby Jones: 0.435 #157 Jim Paxson: 0.260 #162 Sleepy Floyd: 0.104 #163 Maurice Cheeks: 0.0803 #166 Dominique Wilkins: 0.0329 #185 Mark Aguirre: -0.406 #186 Mark Eaton: -0.407 #187 Micheal Ray Richardson: -0.449 #191 Marques Johnson: -0.478 #192 Rodney McCray: -0.492 #194 George Gervin: -0.525 #197 Adrian Dantley: -0.573 #211 Andrew Toney: -0.889 #228 Kelly Tripucka: -1.108 #229 Xavier McDaniel: -1.160 #231 Tom Chambers: -1.194 #239 Brad Daugherty: -1.369 #241 Otis Birdsong: -1.438 #242 Julius Erving: -1.475 #243 Walter Davis: -1.495 #249 T.R. Dunn: -1.624 #263 Norm Nixon: -2.096 #265 Bill Hanzlik: -2.113 #280 Derek Harper: -2.782 #294 Rolando Blackman: -3.479 #296 Rickey Green: -3.578
RWOWY-Ridge:
#4 Paul Pressey: 1.741 #5 Magic Johnson: 1.722 #8 Robert Parish: 1.457 #9 Larry Bird: 1.372 #11 Hakeem Olajuwon: 1.361 #12 Kevin McHale: 1.361 #14 Charles Barkley: 1.230 #16 Dennis Johnson: 1.224 #17 Bernard King: 1.196 #19 Sidney Moncrief: 1.049 #23 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 1.018 #25 Larry Nance: 0.976 #29 Michael Cooper: 0.936 #31 Isiah Thomas: 0.927 #33 Calvin Natt: 0.917 #34 Michael Jordan: 0.908 #35 Doc Rivers: 0.895 #37 James Worthy: 0.881 #40 Danny Ainge: 0.853 #46 Bill Laimbeer: 0.765 #51 Bobby Jones: 0.709 #60 Clyde Drexler: 0.621 #63 Moses Malone: 0.617 #67 Terry Cummings: 0.595 #77 Fat Lever: 0.483 #81 Tree Rollins: 0.464 #82 Karl Malone: 0.462 #84 Patrick Ewing: 0.441 #87 Ralph Sampson: 0.422 #93 Xavier McDaniel: 0.386 #94 Artis Gilmore: 0.380 #96 Steve Johnson: 0.375 #101 Maurice Cheeks: 0.336 #106 Adrian Dantley: 0.303 #107 Dan Roundfield: 0.288 #108 Mark Aguirre: 0.288 #112 Jack Sikma: 0.269 #115 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.244 #118 Derek Harper: 0.237 #119 Alex English: 0.233 #120 Jeff Ruland: 0.226 #121 Mark Eaton: 0.223 #122 John Stockton: 0.221 #125 Rodney McCray: 0.200 #126 Danny Vranes: 0.192 #130 Andrew Toney: 0.168 #131 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.160 #141 Jim Paxson: 0.0961 #142 Jeff Malone: 0.0915 #143 Buck Williams: 0.0673 #145 Dominique Wilkins: 0.0649 #146 T.R. Dunn: 0.0474 #148 Julius Erving: 0.0389 #151 Rolando Blackman: 0.0225 #153 James Donaldson: 0.00417 #159 Kelly Tripucka: -0.0468 #176 Joe Barry Carroll: -0.181 #177 Alvin Robertson: -0.184 #181 Marques Johnson: -0.220 #184 George Gervin: -0.249 #212 Manute Bol: -0.437 #216 Tom Chambers: -0.484 #218 Otis Birdsong: -0.511 #223 Bill Hanzlik: -0.566 #229 Brad Daugherty: -0.588 #236 Walter Davis: -0.674 #241 Sleepy Floyd: -0.719 #255 Rickey Green: -0.964 #282 Norm Nixon: -1.347
RWOWY-Lasso:
#1 Paul Pressey: 6.839 #2 Magic Johnson: 5.751 #3 Robert Parish: 4.369 #5 Charles Barkley: 4.112 #6 Hakeem Olajuwon: 4.101 #9 Bill Laimbeer: 3.533 #12 Larry Bird: 3.007 #14 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 2.887 #17 Bernard King: 2.643 #18 Clyde Drexler: 2.605 #19 Larry Nance: 2.502 #20 Doc Rivers: 2.434 #21 Danny Vranes: 2.381 #26 Michael Jordan: 2.092 #29 Isiah Thomas: 1.862 #32 Artis Gilmore: 1.817 #36 Calvin Natt: 1.646 #40 Kevin McHale: 1.440 #42 Karl Malone: 1.374 #45 Ralph Sampson: 1.171 #47 Patrick Ewing: 1.061 #50 Jeff Malone: 0.942 #51 Buck Williams: 0.919 #54 Terry Cummings: 0.832 #61 Moses Malone: 0.476 #64 Fat Lever: 0.405 #67 Jack Sikma: 0.339 #73 Alex English: 0.136 #165.5 Adrian Dantley: 0.000 #165.5 Alvin Robertson: 0.000 #165.5 Andrew Toney: 0.000 #165.5 Brad Daugherty: 0.000 #165.5 Danny Ainge: 0.000 #165.5 Dennis Johnson: 0.000 #165.5 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #165.5 George Gervin: 0.000 #165.5 James Donaldson: 0.000 #165.5 James Worthy: 0.000 #165.5 Jeff Ruland: 0.000 #165.5 Jim Paxson: 0.000 #165.5 Joe Barry Carroll: 0.000 #165.5 Julius Erving: 0.000 #165.5 Kelly Tripucka: 0.000 #165.5 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.000 #165.5 Mark Aguirre: 0.000 #165.5 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #165.5 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #165.5 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #165.5 Otis Birdsong: 0.000 #165.5 Rolando Blackman: 0.000 #165.5 Sidney Moncrief: 0.000 #165.5 Sleepy Floyd: 0.000 #165.5 Steve Johnson: 0.000 #165.5 Tom Chambers: 0.000 #165.5 Walter Davis: 0.000 #165.5 Xavier McDaniel: 0.000 #165.5 John Stockton: 0.000 #165.5 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #165.5 Rodney McCray: 0.000 #165.5 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #165.5 Derek Harper: 0.000 #165.5 Manute Bol: 0.000 #165.5 Bill Hanzlik: 0.000 #165.5 T.R. Dunn: 0.000 #165.5 Bobby Jones: 0.000 #165.5 Tree Rollins: 0.000 #165.5 Dan Roundfield: 0.000 #281 Norm Nixon: -1.429 #295 Rickey Green: -2.003
RWOWY-ENet:
#1 Paul Pressey: 5.655 #2 Magic Johnson: 5.014 #4 Hakeem Olajuwon: 3.603 #5 Robert Parish: 3.496 #6 Charles Barkley: 3.455 #10 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 2.662 #11 Larry Bird: 2.587 #12 Bill Laimbeer: 2.504 #16 Isiah Thomas: 2.331 #17 Bernard King: 2.320 #19 Doc Rivers: 2.114 #20 Larry Nance: 2.113 #21 Clyde Drexler: 2.086 #23 Michael Jordan: 1.969 #30 Kevin McHale: 1.607 #31 Karl Malone: 1.574 #32 Danny Vranes: 1.515 #33 Calvin Natt: 1.463 #35 Artis Gilmore: 1.366 #42 Ralph Sampson: 1.093 #48 Terry Cummings: 0.955 #52 Patrick Ewing: 0.817 #57 Moses Malone: 0.692 #61 Jack Sikma: 0.524 #62 Buck Williams: 0.521 #65 Jeff Malone: 0.476 #67 Dennis Johnson: 0.467 #68 Fat Lever: 0.411 #75 Alex English: 0.147 #76 James Worthy: 0.144 #79 Tree Rollins: 0.00787 #161 Adrian Dantley: 0.000 #161 Alvin Robertson: 0.000 #161 Andrew Toney: 0.000 #161 Danny Ainge: 0.000 #161 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #161 George Gervin: 0.000 #161 James Donaldson: 0.000 #161 Jeff Ruland: 0.000 #161 Jim Paxson: 0.000 #161 Julius Erving: 0.000 #161 Kelly Tripucka: 0.000 #161 Kiki Vandeweghe: 0.000 #161 Mark Aguirre: 0.000 #161 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #161 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #161 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #161 Otis Birdsong: 0.000 #161 Rolando Blackman: 0.000 #161 Sidney Moncrief: 0.000 #161 Sleepy Floyd: 0.000 #161 Steve Johnson: 0.000 #161 Tom Chambers: 0.000 #161 Xavier McDaniel: 0.000 #161 John Stockton: 0.000 #161 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #161 Rodney McCray: 0.000 #161 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #161 Derek Harper: 0.000 #161 Manute Bol: 0.000 #161 T.R. Dunn: 0.000 #161 Bobby Jones: 0.000 #161 Dan Roundfield: 0.000 #247 Joe Barry Carroll: -0.166 #248 Walter Davis: -0.171 #249 Bill Hanzlik: -0.200 #253 Brad Daugherty: -0.270 #280 Norm Nixon: -1.452 #282 Rickey Green: -1.516
1985-1989:
Spoiler:
RWOWY:
#1 Alvin Robertson: 11.053 #5 Bill Laimbeer: 7.971 #8 Paul Pressey: 7.730 #10 Magic Johnson: 7.052 #14 Karl Malone: 5.364 #15 Danny Vranes: 5.306 #16 Charles Barkley: 5.271 #17 Larry Nance: 5.242 #21 Jeff Malone: 4.895 #25 Larry Bird: 4.600 #30 Jack Sikma: 4.106 #31 Clyde Drexler: 4.098 #33 James Donaldson: 4.026 #36 Buck Williams: 3.913 #37 Hakeem Olajuwon: 3.898 #41 Alex English: 3.670 #43 Steve Johnson: 3.406 #44 Patrick Ewing: 3.389 #46 Bobby Jones: 3.371 #51 Doc Rivers: 3.014 #54 James Worthy: 2.906 #62 Robert Parish: 2.708 #68 Kevin McHale: 2.582 #74 Michael Jordan: 2.380 #79 T.R. Dunn: 2.189 #83 Tom Chambers: 2.136 #84 Dennis Johnson: 2.086 #86 Isiah Thomas: 2.039 #89 Bernard King: 1.904 #94 Ralph Sampson: 1.874 #101 Dennis Rodman: 1.652 #112 A.C. Green: 1.450 #115 Michael Cooper: 1.278 #127 Mark Aguirre: 0.971 #128 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.960 #129 Mark Price: 0.910 #133 Chris Mullin: 0.829 #136 Calvin Natt: 0.752 #138 Moses Malone: 0.694 #144 Kevin Johnson: 0.493 #152 Jeff Ruland: 0.278 #154 Terry Cummings: 0.267 #163 Maurice Cheeks: 0.0646 #166 Fat Lever: 0.0434 #168 Mark Eaton: 0.0214 #169 Sidney Moncrief: 0.0198 #171 Marques Johnson: 0.00247 #185 Kevin Duckworth: -0.341 #189 Dominique Wilkins: -0.398 #205 Adrian Dantley: -0.761 #206 Joe Barry Carroll: -0.763 #209 Danny Ainge: -0.807 #218 Xavier McDaniel: -1.019 #229 Joe Dumars: -1.301 #231 Micheal Ray Richardson: -1.337 #243 Sleepy Floyd: -1.633 #257 John Stockton: -2.082 #263 Brad Daugherty: -2.293 #274 Rolando Blackman: -2.600 #279 Mark Jackson: -2.861 #280 Dale Ellis: -2.908 #283 Artis Gilmore: -2.982 #284 Julius Erving: -3.016 #287 George Gervin: -3.098 #292 Rodney McCray: -3.382 #293 Walter Davis: -3.387 #298 Derek Harper: -3.546 #299 Bill Hanzlik: -3.611 #308 Manute Bol: -4.385 #322 Norm Nixon: -5.819
RWOWY-Ridge:
#3 Paul Pressey: 2.381 #5 Magic Johnson: 2.038 #7 Larry Nance: 1.893 #8 Larry Bird: 1.860 #19 Bobby Jones: 1.373 #23 Kevin McHale: 1.258 #24 Michael Cooper: 1.234 #25 Robert Parish: 1.184 #26 Dennis Johnson: 1.177 #28 Hakeem Olajuwon: 1.159 #31 Charles Barkley: 1.145 #33 James Worthy: 1.119 #35 Isiah Thomas: 1.060 #36 Dennis Rodman: 1.049 #38 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 1.038 #40 Doc Rivers: 1.029 #43 A.C. Green: 0.988 #44 Patrick Ewing: 0.982 #45 Bill Laimbeer: 0.961 #46 Steve Johnson: 0.954 #47 Kevin Johnson: 0.925 #51 Mark Aguirre: 0.900 #52 Terry Cummings: 0.870 #53 Ralph Sampson: 0.845 #58 Karl Malone: 0.729 #63 Moses Malone: 0.690 #66 Clyde Drexler: 0.667 #72 Danny Ainge: 0.639 #77 Joe Dumars: 0.582 #83 Mark Eaton: 0.525 #84 John Stockton: 0.522 #85 Michael Jordan: 0.514 #87 Jack Sikma: 0.495 #91 Maurice Cheeks: 0.460 #93 Alex English: 0.459 #95 Tom Chambers: 0.441 #96 James Donaldson: 0.437 #104 Xavier McDaniel: 0.391 #106 Jeff Ruland: 0.380 #108 Sidney Moncrief: 0.337 #109 Fat Lever: 0.337 #115 Calvin Natt: 0.293 #117 Alvin Robertson: 0.256 #118 Dominique Wilkins: 0.251 #120 Mark Jackson: 0.241 #129 Jeff Malone: 0.199 #133 Danny Vranes: 0.186 #134 T.R. Dunn: 0.183 #140 Bernard King: 0.141 #142 Rodney McCray: 0.134 #144 Mark Price: 0.112 #151 Chris Mullin: 0.057 #154 Micheal Ray Richardson: -0.010 #156 Buck Williams: -0.0264 #168 Kevin Duckworth: -0.124 #173 Artis Gilmore: -0.153 #180 Brad Daugherty: -0.238 #197 Derek Harper: -0.441 #204 Adrian Dantley: -0.508 #207 Julius Erving: -0.520 #209 Dale Ellis: -0.536 #211 Rolando Blackman: -0.569 #214 Marques Johnson: -0.579 #216 Joe Barry Carroll: -0.602 #223 Manute Bol: -0.694 #224 Sleepy Floyd: -0.698 #237 George Gervin: -0.837 #244 Bill Hanzlik: -0.941 #300 Walter Davis: -1.824 #315 Norm Nixon: -2.210
RWOWY-Lasso:
#1 Magic Johnson: 7.953 #2 Larry Bird: 6.156 #3 Paul Pressey: 6.064 #5 Bill Laimbeer: 5.069 #9 Hakeem Olajuwon: 3.712 #11 Larry Nance: 3.169 #19 Charles Barkley: 2.355 #20 Bobby Jones: 2.336 #24 Michael Jordan: 1.723 #26 Clyde Drexler: 1.548 #28 Doc Rivers: 1.385 #30 Alex English: 1.350 #31 Karl Malone: 1.333 #35 Dennis Rodman: 1.165 #38 Steve Johnson: 1.133 #39 Kevin McHale: 0.977 #44 Ralph Sampson: 0.678 #46 Robert Parish: 0.575 #49 Alvin Robertson: 0.410 #50 James Worthy: 0.389 #51 James Donaldson: 0.356 #56 Patrick Ewing: 0.133 #59 Danny Vranes: 0.0415 #162.5 Adrian Dantley: 0.000 #162.5 Artis Gilmore: 0.000 #162.5 Bernard King: 0.000 #162.5 Brad Daugherty: 0.000 #162.5 Buck Williams: 0.000 #162.5 Calvin Natt: 0.000 #162.5 Chris Mullin: 0.000 #162.5 Dale Ellis: 0.000 #162.5 Danny Ainge: 0.000 #162.5 Dennis Johnson: 0.000 #162.5 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #162.5 Fat Lever: 0.000 #162.5 Isiah Thomas: 0.000 #162.5 Jack Sikma: 0.000 #162.5 Jeff Malone: 0.000 #162.5 Jeff Ruland: 0.000 #162.5 Joe Barry Carroll: 0.000 #162.5 John Stockton: 0.000 #162.5 Julius Erving: 0.000 #162.5 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.000 #162.5 Kevin Duckworth: 0.000 #162.5 Mark Aguirre: 0.000 #162.5 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #162.5 Mark Jackson: 0.000 #162.5 Mark Price: 0.000 #162.5 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #162.5 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #162.5 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #162.5 Moses Malone: 0.000 #162.5 Rolando Blackman: 0.000 #162.5 Sidney Moncrief: 0.000 #162.5 Terry Cummings: 0.000 #162.5 Tom Chambers: 0.000 #162.5 Xavier McDaniel: 0.000 #162.5 Kevin Johnson: 0.000 #162.5 Joe Dumars: 0.000 #162.5 A.C. Green: 0.000 #162.5 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #162.5 Rodney McCray: 0.000 #162.5 Derek Harper: 0.000 #162.5 Manute Bol: 0.000 #162.5 Bill Hanzlik: 0.000 #162.5 T.R. Dunn: 0.000 #276 George Gervin: -0.526 #281 Sleepy Floyd: -1.038 #301 Walter Davis: -2.147 #327 Norm Nixon: -4.103
RWOWY-ENet:
#1 Magic Johnson: 6.323 #2 Paul Pressey: 5.602 #4 Larry Bird: 4.576 #8 Bill Laimbeer: 3.328 #9 Hakeem Olajuwon: 3.204 #11 Larry Nance: 2.977 #18 Bobby Jones: 2.201 #22 Charles Barkley: 2.101 #27 Alex English: 1.516 #28 Karl Malone: 1.501 #30 James Worthy: 1.488 #32 Doc Rivers: 1.425 #33 Michael Jordan: 1.377 #35 Steve Johnson: 1.292 #37 Danny Vranes: 1.267 #40 Dennis Rodman: 1.153 #41 Kevin McHale: 1.145 #45 Clyde Drexler: 1.003 #46 Isiah Thomas: 1.001 #47 Robert Parish: 0.905 #49 Ralph Sampson: 0.799 #50 Patrick Ewing: 0.720 #53 Alvin Robertson: 0.616 #56 Dennis Johnson: 0.566 #58 James Donaldson: 0.504 #61 Mark Aguirre: 0.310 #71 Tom Chambers: 0.0234 #156 Artis Gilmore: 0.000 #156 Bernard King: 0.000 #156 Brad Daugherty: 0.000 #156 Buck Williams: 0.000 #156 Calvin Natt: 0.000 #156 Chris Mullin: 0.000 #156 Dale Ellis: 0.000 #156 Danny Ainge: 0.000 #156 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #156 Fat Lever: 0.000 #156 Jack Sikma: 0.000 #156 Jeff Malone: 0.000 #156 Jeff Ruland: 0.000 #156 Joe Barry Carroll: 0.000 #156 John Stockton: 0.000 #156 Julius Erving: 0.000 #156 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.000 #156 Kevin Duckworth: 0.000 #156 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #156 Mark Jackson: 0.000 #156 Mark Price: 0.000 #156 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #156 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #156 Micheal Ray Richardson: 0.000 #156 Moses Malone: 0.000 #156 Sidney Moncrief: 0.000 #156 Terry Cummings: 0.000 #156 Xavier McDaniel: 0.000 #156 Kevin Johnson: 0.000 #156 Joe Dumars: 0.000 #156 A.C. Green: 0.000 #156 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #156 Rodney McCray: 0.000 #156 T.R. Dunn: 0.000 #243 Adrian Dantley: -0.0773 #246 Manute Bol: -0.140 #247 Derek Harper: -0.141 #257 Bill Hanzlik: -0.459 #261 Rolando Blackman: -0.563 #276 George Gervin: -1.100 #278 Sleepy Floyd: -1.140 #305 Walter Davis: -2.461 #325 Norm Nixon: -4.023
1986-1990:
Spoiler:
RWOWY:
#5 John Stockton: 9.181 #6 Alvin Robertson: 8.824 #9 Charles Barkley: 7.791 #12 Magic Johnson: 7.134 #14 David Robinson: 6.229 #15 Paul Pressey: 6.145 #22 Bill Laimbeer: 5.083 #23 Karl Malone: 5.022 #24 Hakeem Olajuwon: 4.894 #30 Doc Rivers: 4.521 #37 Isiah Thomas: 4.104 #38 Steve Johnson: 4.005 #39 James Worthy: 4.002 #44 Clyde Drexler: 3.652 #53 Buck Williams: 3.369 #54 Larry Nance: 3.361 #55 Tom Chambers: 3.332 #56 Robert Parish: 3.326 #57 Larry Bird: 3.261 #61 Michael Jordan: 3.032 #62 Alex English: 3.012 #65 Rick Mahorn: 2.930 #76 Mark Price: 2.504 #79 Patrick Ewing: 2.377 #81 Kevin McHale: 2.348 #83 Jeff Malone: 2.281 #86 James Donaldson: 2.242 #96 Fat Lever: 1.987 #99 Kevin Duckworth: 1.872 #101 Ralph Sampson: 1.842 #102 A.C. Green: 1.831 #106 Marques Johnson: 1.789 #108 Terry Cummings: 1.747 #121 Michael Cooper: 1.403 #127 Kevin Johnson: 1.248 #132 Mark Aguirre: 1.209 #139 Joe Dumars: 1.075 #143 Danny Ainge: 0.910 #144 Sleepy Floyd: 0.899 #154 Dennis Johnson: 0.633 #159 Reggie Miller: 0.532 #167 Dominique Wilkins: 0.343 #178 Chris Mullin: 0.134 #186 Moses Malone: -0.173 #194 Bill Hanzlik: -0.423 #202 Scottie Pippen: -0.565 #203 Brad Daugherty: -0.574 #204 Xavier McDaniel: -0.580 #210 Sidney Moncrief: -0.792 #211 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: -0.802 #239 Artis Gilmore: -1.416 #242 Rodney McCray: -1.474 #265 Dennis Rodman: -1.990 #269 Dale Ellis: -2.066 #270 Adrian Dantley: -2.067 #273 Joe Barry Carroll: -2.122 #293 Julius Erving: -2.741 #294 Walter Davis: -2.775 #296 Maurice Cheeks: -2.872 #297 Rolando Blackman: -2.928 #299 Derek Harper: -3.075 #306 Mark Jackson: -3.403 #318 Manute Bol: -4.117 #325 Mark Eaton: -4.859
RWOWY-Ridge:
#5 Paul Pressey: 2.450 #6 Magic Johnson: 1.982 #10 Larry Nance: 1.691 #11 Larry Bird: 1.671 #12 Doc Rivers: 1.669 #13 Charles Barkley: 1.621 #18 Rick Mahorn: 1.526 #24 Hakeem Olajuwon: 1.256 #26 James Worthy: 1.248 #27 Michael Cooper: 1.238 #28 Terry Cummings: 1.170 #30 Tom Chambers: 1.139 #31 Isiah Thomas: 1.129 #32 Robert Parish: 1.126 #33 David Robinson: 1.124 #35 Kevin Johnson: 1.102 #38 Kevin McHale: 1.086 #43 A.C. Green: 1.001 #45 Joe Dumars: 0.989 #48 Steve Johnson: 0.949 #51 Bill Laimbeer: 0.943 #53 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.929 #56 Mark Aguirre: 0.899 #57 Dennis Johnson: 0.880 #58 John Stockton: 0.873 #62 Ralph Sampson: 0.848 #67 Patrick Ewing: 0.768 #69 Clyde Drexler: 0.755 #71 Dennis Rodman: 0.754 #75 Karl Malone: 0.699 #78 Danny Ainge: 0.669 #81 James Donaldson: 0.649 #83 Fat Lever: 0.632 #86 Kevin Duckworth: 0.583 #89 Mark Price: 0.566 #90 Scottie Pippen: 0.541 #91 Michael Jordan: 0.541 #96 Mark Eaton: 0.495 #106 Alex English: 0.399 #108 Dominique Wilkins: 0.384 #116 Moses Malone: 0.311 #127 Sidney Moncrief: 0.208 #128 Buck Williams: 0.205 #139 Brad Daugherty: 0.0907 #141 Reggie Miller: 0.0769 #145 Xavier McDaniel: 0.0464 #147 Mark Jackson: 0.0295 #148 Jeff Malone: 0.0249 #155 Marques Johnson: -0.017 #172 Sleepy Floyd: -0.162 #176 Chris Mullin: -0.182 #178 Rodney McCray: -0.219 #180 Manute Bol: -0.233 #181 Dale Ellis: -0.235 #182 Artis Gilmore: -0.236 #183 Alvin Robertson: -0.248 #207 Derek Harper: -0.458 #210 Maurice Cheeks: -0.471 #227 Bill Hanzlik: -0.653 #236 Rolando Blackman: -0.742 #246 Julius Erving: -0.846 #253 Adrian Dantley: -0.935 #269 Joe Barry Carroll: -1.099 #282 Walter Davis: -1.233
RWOWY-Lasso:
#1 Magic Johnson: 6.995 #2 John Stockton: 5.887 #3 Paul Pressey: 5.805 #6 David Robinson: 4.887 #7 Doc Rivers: 4.556 #8 Larry Bird: 4.409 #9 Charles Barkley: 4.324 #10 Isiah Thomas: 3.449 #13 Hakeem Olajuwon: 3.009 #20 Larry Nance: 2.509 #26 Bill Laimbeer: 2.285 #31 Robert Parish: 2.108 #32 Rick Mahorn: 2.040 #33 James Worthy: 2.022 #35 Michael Jordan: 1.873 #37 Steve Johnson: 1.645 #38 Kevin Johnson: 1.645 #42 Tom Chambers: 1.374 #46 Fat Lever: 1.139 #47 Alex English: 1.087 #51 Clyde Drexler: 0.992 #54 Kevin McHale: 0.957 #65 Ralph Sampson: 0.524 #66 Kevin Duckworth: 0.521 #67 Patrick Ewing: 0.266 #69 James Donaldson: 0.179 #70 Mark Aguirre: 0.145 #167.5 A.C. Green: 0.000 #167.5 Alvin Robertson: 0.000 #167.5 Artis Gilmore: 0.000 #167.5 Brad Daugherty: 0.000 #167.5 Buck Williams: 0.000 #167.5 Chris Mullin: 0.000 #167.5 Dale Ellis: 0.000 #167.5 Danny Ainge: 0.000 #167.5 Dennis Rodman: 0.000 #167.5 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #167.5 Jeff Malone: 0.000 #167.5 Joe Dumars: 0.000 #167.5 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.000 #167.5 Karl Malone: 0.000 #167.5 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #167.5 Mark Jackson: 0.000 #167.5 Mark Price: 0.000 #167.5 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #167.5 Moses Malone: 0.000 #167.5 Reggie Miller: 0.000 #167.5 Scottie Pippen: 0.000 #167.5 Sidney Moncrief: 0.000 #167.5 Sleepy Floyd: 0.000 #167.5 Terry Cummings: 0.000 #167.5 Xavier McDaniel: 0.000 #167.5 Derek Harper: 0.000 #167.5 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #167.5 Rodney McCray: 0.000 #167.5 Dennis Johnson: 0.000 #167.5 Manute Bol: 0.000 #167.5 Bill Hanzlik: 0.000 #273 Rolando Blackman: -0.349 #283 Joe Barry Carroll: -0.741 #287 Julius Erving: -0.875 #301 Maurice Cheeks: -1.350 #302 Walter Davis: -1.361 #306 Adrian Dantley: -1.536
RWOWY-ENet:
#1 Magic Johnson: 6.049 #4 Paul Pressey: 5.052 #5 John Stockton: 4.285 #6 Doc Rivers: 3.828 #7 Charles Barkley: 3.672 #8 David Robinson: 3.608 #9 Larry Bird: 3.565 #12 Isiah Thomas: 2.880 #16 Hakeem Olajuwon: 2.688 #19 James Worthy: 2.466 #21 Larry Nance: 2.351 #24 Bill Laimbeer: 2.115 #27 Rick Mahorn: 2.104 #29 Robert Parish: 2.094 #37 Michael Jordan: 1.478 #39 Steve Johnson: 1.448 #41 Tom Chambers: 1.266 #43 Kevin McHale: 1.242 #46 Kevin Johnson: 1.137 #48 Fat Lever: 1.068 #49 Karl Malone: 1.058 #51 Clyde Drexler: 0.926 #55 Alex English: 0.883 #63 Terry Cummings: 0.635 #65 Ralph Sampson: 0.585 #67 Kevin Duckworth: 0.513 #68 Mark Aguirre: 0.509 #71 Patrick Ewing: 0.418 #73 James Donaldson: 0.312 #167.5 A.C. Green: 0.000 #167.5 Alvin Robertson: 0.000 #167.5 Artis Gilmore: 0.000 #167.5 Brad Daugherty: 0.000 #167.5 Buck Williams: 0.000 #167.5 Chris Mullin: 0.000 #167.5 Dale Ellis: 0.000 #167.5 Danny Ainge: 0.000 #167.5 Dennis Rodman: 0.000 #167.5 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #167.5 Jeff Malone: 0.000 #167.5 Joe Dumars: 0.000 #167.5 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.000 #167.5 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #167.5 Mark Jackson: 0.000 #167.5 Mark Price: 0.000 #167.5 Marques Johnson: 0.000 #167.5 Moses Malone: 0.000 #167.5 Reggie Miller: 0.000 #167.5 Scottie Pippen: 0.000 #167.5 Sidney Moncrief: 0.000 #167.5 Sleepy Floyd: 0.000 #167.5 Xavier McDaniel: 0.000 #167.5 Derek Harper: 0.000 #167.5 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #167.5 Rodney McCray: 0.000 #167.5 Dennis Johnson: 0.000 #167.5 Bill Hanzlik: 0.000 #258 Manute Bol: -0.110 #275 Rolando Blackman: -0.653 #282 Julius Erving: -0.848 #284 Joe Barry Carroll: -0.876 #289 Maurice Cheeks: -0.999 #301 Adrian Dantley: -1.285 #302 Walter Davis: -1.348
1987-1991:
Spoiler:
RWOWY:
#1 John Stockton: 9.781 #3 Magic Johnson: 9.203 #8 Alvin Robertson: 8.063 #14 Clyde Drexler: 5.867 #16 Charles Barkley: 5.718 #20 Larry Bird: 5.218 #30 Doc Rivers: 4.582 #32 David Robinson: 4.475 #33 Larry Nance: 4.467 #36 Bill Laimbeer: 4.254 #39 Paul Pressey: 4.062 #42 Hersey Hawkins: 3.882 #44 Tom Chambers: 3.827 #49 Dan Majerle: 3.629 #51 Patrick Ewing: 3.565 #54 Moses Malone: 3.373 #57 Hakeem Olajuwon: 3.326 #64 Rick Mahorn: 3.140 #65 Fat Lever: 3.032 #72 Buck Williams: 2.701 #83 Robert Parish: 2.391 #85 Alex English: 2.364 #87 Danny Ainge: 2.349 #88 Kevin Duckworth: 2.330 #90 Ralph Sampson: 2.297 #94 Karl Malone: 2.225 #99 Isiah Thomas: 2.150 #101 Mark Price: 2.116 #107 Michael Jordan: 1.929 #108 Terry Cummings: 1.916 #111 Derek Harper: 1.868 #112 Kevin McHale: 1.859 #115 Chris Mullin: 1.823 #118 Steve Johnson: 1.719 #124 Reggie Miller: 1.586 #125 Sleepy Floyd: 1.553 #128 Mark Aguirre: 1.382 #129 Michael Cooper: 1.357 #136 James Worthy: 1.218 #137 Joe Dumars: 1.210 #140 James Donaldson: 1.062 #144 Dale Ellis: 1.037 #148 Kevin Johnson: 0.991 #159 Ricky Pierce: 0.736 #173 Jeff Malone: 0.301 #191 Bernard King: -0.102 #199 Scottie Pippen: -0.368 #208 Dominique Wilkins: -0.532 #217 Dennis Johnson: -0.721 #220 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: -0.806 #228 Maurice Cheeks: -0.927 #229 A.C. Green: -0.945 #235 Brad Daugherty: -1.122 #253 Dennis Rodman: -1.464 #269 Rodney McCray: -1.952 #281 Xavier McDaniel: -2.268 #287 Walter Davis: -2.554 #289 Joe Barry Carroll: -2.604 #292 Terry Porter: -2.681 #300 Rolando Blackman: -2.968 #301 Mark Jackson: -3.067 #305 Mark Eaton: -3.167 #323 Julius Erving: -4.060 #346 Tim Hardaway: -8.717
RWOWY-Ridge:
#3 Dan Majerle: 2.789 #4 Larry Bird: 2.436 #9 Magic Johnson: 2.110 #14 Larry Nance: 1.746 #16 Paul Pressey: 1.707 #18 Rick Mahorn: 1.554 #20 Charles Barkley: 1.459 #22 Doc Rivers: 1.422 #23 Isiah Thomas: 1.377 #24 Michael Cooper: 1.357 #25 Terry Cummings: 1.337 #29 Kevin Johnson: 1.241 #31 Tom Chambers: 1.222 #33 Clyde Drexler: 1.175 #38 John Stockton: 1.150 #40 Fat Lever: 1.124 #43 Danny Ainge: 1.076 #46 James Worthy: 1.015 #49 Hakeem Olajuwon: 0.967 #51 Kevin McHale: 0.960 #52 Scottie Pippen: 0.939 #58 Joe Dumars: 0.915 #60 A.C. Green: 0.904 #63 Kevin Duckworth: 0.894 #66 Robert Parish: 0.863 #68 Karl Malone: 0.852 #69 Bill Laimbeer: 0.816 #71 Ralph Sampson: 0.809 #73 Michael Jordan: 0.791 #75 Mark Aguirre: 0.766 #76 Mark Eaton: 0.764 #79 David Robinson: 0.729 #82 Mark Price: 0.712 #85 Ricky Pierce: 0.685 #86 Hersey Hawkins: 0.674 #87 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.668 #91 Terry Porter: 0.585 #97 Moses Malone: 0.538 #99 Dale Ellis: 0.493 #100 Dennis Rodman: 0.481 #103 Patrick Ewing: 0.442 #106 Buck Williams: 0.413 #107 Dominique Wilkins: 0.391 #113 Dennis Johnson: 0.350 #118 Alex English: 0.316 #131 Sleepy Floyd: 0.201 #132 James Donaldson: 0.200 #135 Reggie Miller: 0.171 #149 Jeff Malone: 0.0439 #151 Brad Daugherty: 0.0361 #152 Steve Johnson: 0.034 #166 Chris Mullin: -0.0637 #182 Alvin Robertson: -0.162 #190 Derek Harper: -0.212 #197 Mark Jackson: -0.307 #199 Xavier McDaniel: -0.326 #202 Maurice Cheeks: -0.348 #210 Bernard King: -0.441 #239 Rodney McCray: -0.809 #244 Rolando Blackman: -0.863 #267 Tim Hardaway: -1.020 #275 Joe Barry Carroll: -1.146 #282 Walter Davis: -1.210 #319 Julius Erving: -2.044
RWOWY-Lasso:
#1 Magic Johnson: 9.453 #4 John Stockton: 6.601 #5 Larry Bird: 5.569 #6 Dan Majerle: 5.180 #8 Clyde Drexler: 4.396 #11 Doc Rivers: 3.412 #13 Charles Barkley: 3.387 #15 Hakeem Olajuwon: 3.201 #18 Larry Nance: 3.134 #23 Paul Pressey: 2.594 #31 Rick Mahorn: 2.370 #34 Isiah Thomas: 2.241 #37 Bill Laimbeer: 1.903 #38 Tom Chambers: 1.877 #42 Fat Lever: 1.800 #44 David Robinson: 1.739 #49 Terry Cummings: 1.385 #52 Danny Ainge: 1.291 #53 Mark Aguirre: 1.007 #54 Kevin McHale: 0.946 #58 Robert Parish: 0.786 #63 Moses Malone: 0.629 #65 Kevin Duckworth: 0.463 #66 Patrick Ewing: 0.437 #68 Michael Jordan: 0.301 #69 Ralph Sampson: 0.273 #74 Mark Price: 0.0714 #173 A.C. Green: 0.000 #173 Alex English: 0.000 #173 Alvin Robertson: 0.000 #173 Bernard King: 0.000 #173 Brad Daugherty: 0.000 #173 Chris Mullin: 0.000 #173 Dale Ellis: 0.000 #173 Dennis Rodman: 0.000 #173 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #173 Hersey Hawkins: 0.000 #173 James Donaldson: 0.000 #173 Jeff Malone: 0.000 #173 Joe Dumars: 0.000 #173 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.000 #173 Karl Malone: 0.000 #173 Kevin Johnson: 0.000 #173 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #173 Mark Jackson: 0.000 #173 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #173 Reggie Miller: 0.000 #173 Ricky Pierce: 0.000 #173 Scottie Pippen: 0.000 #173 Sleepy Floyd: 0.000 #173 Steve Johnson: 0.000 #173 Terry Porter: 0.000 #173 Xavier McDaniel: 0.000 #173 James Worthy: 0.000 #173 Buck Williams: 0.000 #173 Derek Harper: 0.000 #173 Michael Cooper: 0.000 #173 Rodney McCray: 0.000 #173 Dennis Johnson: 0.000 #288 Joe Barry Carroll: -0.752 #290 Rolando Blackman: -0.778 #291 Tim Hardaway: -0.780 #306 Walter Davis: -1.441 #328 Julius Erving: -2.775
RWOWY-ENet:
#1 Magic Johnson: 7.602 #4 John Stockton: 5.967 #5 Larry Bird: 5.077 #6 Dan Majerle: 4.740 #9 Clyde Drexler: 3.571 #12 Charles Barkley: 3.010 #13 Larry Nance: 2.958 #14 Doc Rivers: 2.914 #20 Hakeem Olajuwon: 2.623 #23 Paul Pressey: 2.454 #26 Rick Mahorn: 2.321 #35 Isiah Thomas: 2.058 #38 Fat Lever: 1.899 #39 Tom Chambers: 1.696 #43 Bill Laimbeer: 1.485 #45 Terry Cummings: 1.405 #48 David Robinson: 1.334 #51 Danny Ainge: 1.162 #58 Kevin Duckworth: 0.930 #59 Kevin McHale: 0.921 #60 Mark Aguirre: 0.917 #62 Robert Parish: 0.890 #66 Moses Malone: 0.667 #69 Michael Cooper: 0.531 #70 Michael Jordan: 0.508 #72 Patrick Ewing: 0.361 #74 Ralph Sampson: 0.339 #75 Joe Dumars: 0.327 #77 Kevin Johnson: 0.253 #81 Mark Price: 0.0857 #83 Karl Malone: 0.00832 #167.5 A.C. Green: 0.000 #167.5 Alex English: 0.000 #167.5 Alvin Robertson: 0.000 #167.5 Bernard King: 0.000 #167.5 Brad Daugherty: 0.000 #167.5 Chris Mullin: 0.000 #167.5 Dale Ellis: 0.000 #167.5 Dennis Rodman: 0.000 #167.5 Dominique Wilkins: 0.000 #167.5 Hersey Hawkins: 0.000 #167.5 James Donaldson: 0.000 #167.5 Jeff Malone: 0.000 #167.5 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 0.000 #167.5 Mark Eaton: 0.000 #167.5 Mark Jackson: 0.000 #167.5 Maurice Cheeks: 0.000 #167.5 Reggie Miller: 0.000 #167.5 Ricky Pierce: 0.000 #167.5 Scottie Pippen: 0.000 #167.5 Sleepy Floyd: 0.000 #167.5 Steve Johnson: 0.000 #167.5 Terry Porter: 0.000 #167.5 James Worthy: 0.000 #167.5 Buck Williams: 0.000 #167.5 Derek Harper: 0.000 #167.5 Dennis Johnson: 0.000 #253 Xavier McDaniel: -0.0257 #264 Rodney McCray: -0.129 #287 Joe Barry Carroll: -0.875 #293 Rolando Blackman: -1.026 #294 Tim Hardaway: -1.155 #301 Walter Davis: -1.357 #324 Julius Erving: -2.622
This data is worth less than +/- data in that it only accounts for game data as opposed to play-by-play data, so bear that in mind. That said, Magic being at or near the top throughout this entire period does support the notion that he was an impact giant in his own right.[/spoiler]
Very cool stuff! Do you have a Github? Would be very interested to know how you are regressing box-score stats on WOWY. Is it season total box-score or per game (average) stats, similar to basketball-reference BPM calculation? What is the WOWY dataset that is being used?
Also, #107 Michael Jordan: 1.929 for 1987-1991 Regressed WOWY, what do you make of this?
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