Larry_Russell wrote:Hal14 wrote:Larry_Russell wrote:
1) Never stated that. I have, on a number of occasions stated that Jaylen has some pretty glaring weaknesses (going left, IQ, playmaking) and that he has shown a trend toward regression over the last few years (slight, but lower 3pt shooting, worse defesne) coupled with a glaringly obvious LACK of work/focus on the things he is truly weak at making him a very 1 dimensional player who you probably cannot count on when it matters.
2) no, not at all. you do realize that players would be leaving the team that Jaylen is traded to right? Lets say brown was traded for lillard. Brown would be the best player on Portland, Dame the better player of the 2. LEts say Brown is traded for Embiid, Brown would be the best player on the 6ers, embiid the better player. I am in the grouping that you need a superstar and a great roster around them. I feel very strongly that Timelord, Porzingas, Tatum and White make a **** outstanding quartet and a a Brown deal for a player who compliments Tatum will be far better in the long run. A guy who can take some of the playmaking duties, who can handle the ball, who can and does defend and can hit a high percentage of 3 pointers. Basically a 3D guy who can playmake.
Brown last 3 seasons
40%>36%>33.5% from three
16.5%>17.9%>16.5% assist rate
3.2> 1.9> 1.5 OBPM
2.5>2.1>1.3 BPM
2.8>2.3>1.6 OWS
.115>.124>.100 WS/48
3) If they get the guys that I previously outlined and everyone stays healthy...yes they will. I dont see how posters cannot see that we need someone (s) that can do most of the below:
Take defensive pressure of Tatum
Take playmaking responsibilities off of tatum
Take care of the ball
Make a high % of their 3pt attempts
Protect the ball.
Just really need ELITE skills of some sort.
Tatum is an Elite PLayer
Timelord is an Elite defender
Porzingas has elite skills for a bigman with the ability to shoot, handle and pass
White is, technically, an elite glue guy and an elite defender
Hauser is an Elite shooter
Walsh is potentially and elite defender
Pritchard is an elite shooter
Brogdon is an elite shooter and an elite 6th man
Horford is an elite shooter and an elite defender
Brown has no elite skills. He is good at many things though.
Are you trying to say that you think Pritchard is better than JB? If not, what was the point in bringing him up?
Oh man, I see you brought up Walsh too lol.
You're really reaching here.
JB has his flaws, sure. But you seem to be going overboard here and implying that he is some trash player who doesn't even belong in the league.
JB has made 2 all-star teams. He was the #2 option on a team that had the #1 net rating in the league and went to the NBA finals at age 25. He was the #2 option on a team that had the #1 net rating in the league and made it to game 7 of the ECF, while also making 2nd team all-NBA at age 26 - while averaging 27 PPG on good efficiency. At age 26, he's made playoffs all 7 years in the league, he's made 5 conference finals and 1 NBA finals. He's one of the best 2-way wings in the league, can score on all 3 levels (4 including transition where he's one of the best finishers in the league) and one of the most athletic wings in the league. He plays hard in games, he's got strong work ethic, he's a good teammate, been here 7 yrs (our longest tenured player) and is well liked by all of his teammates, coaches and everyone in the organization. Does a lot to help in the community too.
Why is reading comprehension so hard for some people?
I thought that seemed obvious. I was talking about players having ELITE skills that are on the team.
Pritchard is certainly a superior shooter. Pritchard is an elite shooter. He has an ELite skill, which is, what it seems like, brad is trying to build on. Role players whol have an Elite skill. Hauser, elite shooter, Horford, Elite shooter and defender, etc, etc, etc.
But like I stated, I dont see Brown as being ELITE at anything. He is good, arguably great, at some stuff....but he isnt ELITE
the whole entire last paragraph you posted has no bearing as most of the value you put on brown is based on team stats.
So taking all of that away you are left with 27ppg on good efficiency (NOT great or elite)
one of the best 2 way wings in the league? meh...I dont think I can agree with that. His defense has dropped year over year for the past 3 years. and he far to often gets lost on that end. He is at his best defending the post, but doesnt do it a lot. He is good to great at that, not elite
SCore on all three levels.
Declining 3pt % year over year and had 33.5 last year - How can you say that someone is great at scoring on all three levels if their 3pt% was the same as marcus smarts last season??
Finishing, I am not sure if there is a better way to look at that, but his fg% from 3 feet and under was 73.7% last season....good for 54th in the NBA. So not ELITE. Good I guess?
And Al HOrford is good for community, well liked by everyone, been in playoffs a bunch, in the finals, in the ecfs, etc....should we pay him 25 million per season?
Reading comprehension is impossible when the points you are making are so weak.
JB is a better defender, scorer, transition player and just all around great player relative to best in NBA than Horford/Pritchard/Hauser are as shooters. Just because they have high % shooting uncontested wide open 3s does not make them elite shooters or anywhere even close to a top shooter like Steph Curry or even Tatum. Even the Bogdonovich’s of NBA are capable of getting off and making impossible shots against maximum defenisve pressure - unlike our ‘elite’ shooters.
