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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24 

Post#1861 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:02 pm

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Basically JB won't ever be the highest paid player in the sport. He'll have the largest guaranteed deal over a period of a year, very, very unlikely he's ever highest paid guy and won't be next year or the year after.

Exactly!

I honestly never thought I'd see a nearly 70m annual salary in the NBA but here we are lol.

The feds and state taxes will eat a good chunk of that but, holy moly
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Post#1862 » by exculpatory » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:04 pm

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Post#1863 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:04 pm

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/how-jaylen-brown-extension-impacts-celtics-trade-and-future-roster-options.html

Urgency, limitations hit harder in 2024-25

With Brown’s new deal kicking in this year along with an extension for Kristaps Porzingis ($30 million) taking effect, Boston’s books will suddenly get very pricy. The Celtics will have $185.1 million committed to just nine players for the 2024-25 season, which puts them well into luxury tax territory already before even filling out the remainder of the 15-man roster. The team likely won’t have use of any mid-level exception next year and could look to cut some pricy role players on the payroll. Letting Grant Williams walk this offseason for draft picks was an example of this instead of signing him to a long-term deal.

Decision time in 2025-26

With Tatum’s own expected supermax extension set to kick in for the 2025-26 season, the summer of 2025 could be a fork in the road for the franchise. The combined salaries of Tatum, Brown and Porzingis at this point are projected to take up nearly 90 percent of the salary cap during the 2025-26 season and that will be happening right as repeater tax penalties kick in for Boston. The Celtics will either need to pay record-breaking penalties or downgrade significantly with cost cutting for their supporting cast. The other possibility? Trading one of their stars to relieve some of the tax burden and build a well-rounded roster.

How the team fares in the next two seasons will likely go a long way in determining how Brad Stevens handles this conundrum. For now, Brown and the Celtics both have plenty of long-term security locked in as they make a push back toward returning to the NBA Finals next year.
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Post#1864 » by GoCeltics123 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:07 pm

No matter what you think of Jaylen Brown as a player, this is the right move asset-management wise. The only trade out there that would've made you better is Dame, and that was never happening. Jaylen with one year left and certainly hitting UFA had very little value.

Hopefully it ages well. I'm happy for Jaylen getting his $$, it seems the Celtics were REALLY against giving him a PO which is kinda funny but there's no incentives and he got the kicker so he's sleeping well.
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Post#1865 » by chakdaddy » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:07 pm

ddb wrote:Brad had no other option other than to trade him for 75 cents to the dollar. Let's see what else Brad has up his sleeve. CBA sucks. It causes way more harm to teams then it solves. I agree with that statement above.


I'm not mad. It served its purpose of helping a team keep homegrown talent. The extra money means little for a team over the cap. One supermax might hurt a team for the wrong guy. 2nd supermax doesn't make much difference. We'll have 3 stars locked up plus role players. I'm not sure about sign and trade rules, but at this point the more salary we pay l, the higher salary ceiling we can Maintain. Brogdon and Horfords contracts can be valuable. Not sure letting Grant go was wise.
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Post#1866 » by BigTrade92 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:07 pm

Giving the richest contract in NBA history to a guy who can’t dribble with his left hand is quite the gamble.

However, at the end of the day, you either keep your 26 year old All-Star or trade him for pennies on the dollar, while also potentially pissing Tatum off long-term.

While I’m cringing at the thought of several more crucial playoff turnovers bouncing off of Jalyen’s foot in crunch time, there really wasn’t much of a choice here.
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Post#1867 » by keevsnick1 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:08 pm

GotDaSauce wrote:
165bows wrote:
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Basically JB won't ever be the highest paid player in the sport. He'll have the largest guaranteed deal over a period of a year, very, very unlikely he's ever highest paid guy and won't be next year or the year after.

Exactly!


Two other guys have already signed the exact same contract, Devin Booker and KAT. The only difference was those guys signed it LAST offseason so there's no fifth year on the deal for them.
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Post#1868 » by Parasite » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:08 pm

Awful awful contract for a player who is in no way shape or form a number 1 on a championship team.
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Post#1869 » by Triple7 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:09 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
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Ya massive for a guy to have an option to turn down 70M loll


I agree lol. How is that huge for the celtics again??? Haha
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Post#1870 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:11 pm

Hey...

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Post#1871 » by watsonthedragon » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:11 pm

Karalis reporting it's fully guaranteed - no incentives :o
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Post#1872 » by GotDaSauce » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:11 pm

Triple7 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:
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Ya massive for a guy to have an option to turn down 70M loll


I agree lol. How is that huge for the celtics again??? Haha

It holds more value if a team is trading for him.
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Post#1873 » by Triple7 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:12 pm

165bows wrote:
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Basically JB won't ever be the highest paid player in the sport. He'll have the largest guaranteed deal over a period of a year, very, very unlikely he's ever highest paid guy and won't be next year or the year after.


Nah. For a top 20-25 player? Not even close to be worthy. He’s still gonna be one of the top 5 highest paid player in years.
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Post#1874 » by keevsnick1 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:13 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/07/how-jaylen-brown-extension-impacts-celtics-trade-and-future-roster-options.html

Urgency, limitations hit harder in 2024-25

With Brown’s new deal kicking in this year along with an extension for Kristaps Porzingis ($30 million) taking effect, Boston’s books will suddenly get very pricy. The Celtics will have $185.1 million committed to just nine players for the 2024-25 season, which puts them well into luxury tax territory already before even filling out the remainder of the 15-man roster. The team likely won’t have use of any mid-level exception next year and could look to cut some pricy role players on the payroll. Letting Grant Williams walk this offseason for draft picks was an example of this instead of signing him to a long-term deal.

Decision time in 2025-26

With Tatum’s own expected supermax extension set to kick in for the 2025-26 season, the summer of 2025 could be a fork in the road for the franchise. The combined salaries of Tatum, Brown and Porzingis at this point are projected to take up nearly 90 percent of the salary cap during the 2025-26 season and that will be happening right as repeater tax penalties kick in for Boston. The Celtics will either need to pay record-breaking penalties or downgrade significantly with cost cutting for their supporting cast. The other possibility? Trading one of their stars to relieve some of the tax burden and build a well-rounded roster.

How the team fares in the next two seasons will likely go a long way in determining how Brad Stevens handles this conundrum. For now, Brown and the Celtics both have plenty of long-term security locked in as they make a push back toward returning to the NBA Finals next year.


Yep. This is a two year Window.

I guess you could argue that if they are willing to pay a HUGE tax for a year they could make it a three window and jut let KP expire after that and rebuild around Tatum/Brown, but at that point if they haven't won by then its likely time for a change anyway.

So two year, three AT MAX, is the window.
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Post#1875 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:13 pm

Hmmm...

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Post#1876 » by Tor_Raps » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:14 pm

GotDaSauce wrote:
Triple7 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Ya massive for a guy to have an option to turn down 70M loll


I agree lol. How is that huge for the celtics again??? Haha

It holds more value if a team is trading for him.


But then you got the 15% trade kicker so that last year salary would become 80M instead of 70M loll
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Post#1877 » by ParticleMan » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:14 pm

Jaylen making all-NBA could end up being a franchise altering moment. Not in a good way.
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Post#1878 » by keevsnick1 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:15 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:
GotDaSauce wrote:
165bows wrote:
Read on Twitter


Basically JB won't ever be the highest paid player in the sport. He'll have the largest guaranteed deal over a period of a year, very, very unlikely he's ever highest paid guy and won't be next year or the year after.

Exactly!

I honestly never thought I'd see a nearly 70m annual salary in the NBA but here we are lol.

The feds and state taxes will eat a good chunk of that but, holy moly


State of Massachusetts has what a 5% income tax? Then another 4% for millionaires kicking in this year? They are the real winners here.
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Post#1879 » by GotDaSauce » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:15 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
GotDaSauce wrote:
Triple7 wrote:
I agree lol. How is that huge for the celtics again??? Haha

It holds more value if a team is trading for him.


But then you got the 15% trade kicker so that last year salary would become 80M instead of 70M loll

Possibly but it could always be waved if it's a team he prefers to go to.
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Post#1880 » by playa-hater » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:16 pm

Memokerobi wrote:Jaylen fans assemble!!

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I said to myself a few weeks back. Whomever is first to announce the extension of J Brown should receive a lifetime ban. Congrats. You win !
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