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Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#41 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:59 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:Not sure if this is true. And maybe Brogdon doesn't finish his contract in Boston.
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That's what the two thousand second round picks are for lol.

I’ll just take his word for it but they also didn’t play an MLE guy last year and aren’t signing one this year so…

The “among other things” also limits the team in making moves to improve the roster. The bet is you already have a championship roster (if that’s the goal) locked in for the next couple of years. Boils down to believing whether or not the Jays are a pairing that gets you a chip.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#42 » by darrendaye » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:59 pm

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Now that the JB extension is done, let's sign either Danny Green or Javonte Green. Those are my top 2 choices at this point.


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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#43 » by chakdaddy » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:03 pm

I would consider bringing back Blake as platoon partner for Al
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#44 » by snowman » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:05 pm

snowman wrote:I'm predicting that by 2025-2026, Brown's contract will not even be in the top 5 of contracts in the NBA. By the 28-29 season, the last year of the contract, it will not even be in the top 12.


Players who already or potentially will have larger contracts than Brown by the start of the 25-26 season:
Curry
Lillard
Tatum
D. Mitchell
A. Davis
Giannis
That puts Brown's 25-26 salary figures 7th highest at the most. Could be lower than that if Jimmy Butler or Kawai Leonard can sweet talk their teams into it.
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Post#45 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:06 pm

Expecting more signings by the Cs in coming days. I think we have five slots left for training camp. Only 12 fully guaranteed contracts.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#46 » by Hal14 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:12 pm

chakdaddy wrote:I would consider bringing back Blake as platoon partner for Al

There was some reports over the past week or so that said Blake is likely not coming back.

Brad hinted in an interview that he's happy with our big man situation. So Kornet is likely having his contract guaranteed. I figure we'll add another big with our 1 remaining 2-way slot.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#47 » by snowman » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:15 pm

chakdaddy wrote:I would consider bringing back Blake as platoon partner for Al


I believe Blakes minimum would be more than what we have under the 2nd apron for this upcoming season. Minimum salary for a 10 year + of service is $3,196,448, and according to Spotrac, we have only $3,388,443 left under the 2nd apron to sign at least 1 player, but 2 spots to fill. Now I think there is a discount to the actual cap charge for signing a vet player to a minimum contract, but not sure if that applies to the new CBA.

I have also read somewhere that he wants a bigger role this season. Not sure he would get that now unless there was an injury to one of our bigs. I do think we need to sign a big for back up insurance, because I do not think Kornet can do it, just not sure Blake can be the one either.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#48 » by 165bows » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:20 pm

snowman wrote:
snowman wrote:I'm predicting that by 2025-2026, Brown's contract will not even be in the top 5 of contracts in the NBA. By the 28-29 season, the last year of the contract, it will not even be in the top 12.


Players who already or potentially will have larger contracts than Brown by the start of the 25-26 season:
Curry
Lillard
Tatum
D. Mitchell
A. Davis
Giannis
That puts Brown's 25-26 salary figures 7th highest at the most. Could be lower than that if Jimmy Butler or Kawai Leonard can sweet talk their teams into it.


Don't count out LeBron, he's going to make them add a player option forever lol.
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Post#49 » by al bondiga » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:21 pm

Don't want to ruin anyone's Parade... But don't you think the Jaylen brown deal destroys The current Celtic team for a couple of years?... What the hell happened to the front office?
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Post#50 » by KamikazeK » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:24 pm

al bondiga wrote:Don't want to ruin anyone's Parade... But don't you think the Jaylen brown deal destroys The current Celtic team for a couple of years?... What the hell happened to the front office?

No, I think we have a good team.

White, Brown, Tatum, (Porzingis/Horford/Timelord) is a really great starting 5 and with Brogdon coming off the bench and Hauser+Pritchard plus whichever big isn't starting makes a top 8 that I'm comfortable with we really just need to pick up some depth at some point. I mean, people are haters of pritchard for some reason but we got to the finals the other year with him in our playoff rotation. Smart and grant I think were overrated honestly maybe that's where the disagreement comes from.
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Post#51 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:28 pm

See, already it's a bargain contract...

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Post#52 » by al bondiga » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:29 pm

KamikazeK wrote:
al bondiga wrote:Don't want to ruin anyone's Parade... But don't you think the Jaylen brown deal destroys The current Celtic team for a couple of years?... What the hell happened to the front office?

No, I think we have a good team.

White, Brown, Tatum, (Porzingis/Horford/Timelord) is a really great starting 5 and with Brogdon coming off the bench and Hauser+Pritchard plus whichever big isn't starting makes a top 8 that I'm comfortable with we really just need to pick up some depth at some point. I mean, people are haters of pritchard for some reason but we got to the finals the other year with him in our playoff rotation. Smart I think was overrated honestly maybe that's where the disagreement comes from.
Getting rid of a smart was a great decision He was a hoodlum...porzingis Was also a great Decision... A great starting 5.

But what will A player getting paid 60 million dollars a year do to chemistry?
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#53 » by snowman » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:30 pm

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chakdaddy wrote:I would consider bringing back Blake as platoon partner for Al

There was some reports over the past week or so that said Blake is likely not coming back.

Brad hinted in an interview that he's happy with our big man situation. So Kornet is likely having his contract guaranteed. I figure we'll add another big with our 1 remaining 2-way slot.


I wouldn't expect him to say otherwise, but that doesn't mean he won't sign another big. I would like the 14th roster spot (minimum deal ring chaser) AND the 3rd 2-way slot to be filled with a big man.
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Post#54 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:32 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:See, already it's a bargain contract...

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2 years from now Jaylen Brown's contract will look like nothing.
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Post#55 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:33 pm

al bondiga wrote:
KamikazeK wrote:
al bondiga wrote:Don't want to ruin anyone's Parade... But don't you think the Jaylen brown deal destroys The current Celtic team for a couple of years?... What the hell happened to the front office?

No, I think we have a good team.

White, Brown, Tatum, (Porzingis/Horford/Timelord) is a really great starting 5 and with Brogdon coming off the bench and Hauser+Pritchard plus whichever big isn't starting makes a top 8 that I'm comfortable with we really just need to pick up some depth at some point. I mean, people are haters of pritchard for some reason but we got to the finals the other year with him in our playoff rotation. Smart I think was overrated honestly maybe that's where the disagreement comes from.
Getting rid of a smart was a great decision He was a hoodlum...porzingis Was also a great Decision... A great starting 5.

But what will A player getting paid 60 million dollars a year do to chemistry?

Nothing. Next year Tatum will get paid even more.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#56 » by KamikazeK » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:36 pm

al bondiga wrote:
KamikazeK wrote:
al bondiga wrote:Don't want to ruin anyone's Parade... But don't you think the Jaylen brown deal destroys The current Celtic team for a couple of years?... What the hell happened to the front office?

No, I think we have a good team.

White, Brown, Tatum, (Porzingis/Horford/Timelord) is a really great starting 5 and with Brogdon coming off the bench and Hauser+Pritchard plus whichever big isn't starting makes a top 8 that I'm comfortable with we really just need to pick up some depth at some point. I mean, people are haters of pritchard for some reason but we got to the finals the other year with him in our playoff rotation. Smart I think was overrated honestly maybe that's where the disagreement comes from.
Getting rid of a smart was a great decision He was a hoodlum...porzingis Was also a great Decision... A great starting 5.

But what will A player getting paid 60 million dollars a year do to chemistry?

So far it seems like the guys are happy for JB. Do you think Pritchard or White are sitting there steaming mad because he considers himself a 60 million dollar a year man? I dunno about that. :lol:
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Post#57 » by sam_I_am » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:42 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:See, already it's a bargain contract...

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2 years from now Jaylen Brown's contract will look like nothing.


Crazy that Danny got 3 lottery picks in KG/PP trade that could have netted 3 supermax players in Tatum/Brown/Shai. (Of course instead of drafting Shai Celtics traded for Kyrie and the Cavs picked Sexton instead). What an incredible haul.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Post#58 » by captain green » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:02 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:Not sure if this is true. And maybe Brogdon doesn't finish his contract in Boston.
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That's what the two thousand second round picks are for lol.

I’ll just take his word for it but they also didn’t play an MLE guy last year and aren’t signing one this year so…

The “among other things” also limits the team in making moves to improve the roster. The bet is you already have a championship roster (if that’s the goal) locked in for the next couple of years. Boils down to believing whether or not the Jays are a pairing that gets you a chip.

Not to worry did you not notice how much cheap roster spots for potential 2nd round picks we have?
This is master class general manager stuff laid out in front of everyone to see. Why did we get those picks I wonder? It's not hard to see now. If you stack up your core you must rely on vet minimum deals and draft picks. We are in great shape and ahead of the game and next year we could have the best player in the NBA Tatum and potentially the top 10 (brown) and neither will be the highest paid NBA player here comes trophies 18,19,20. You heard it here first!!
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#59 » by Andrew McCeltic » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:18 pm

I hate it. We’ll see how many teams punt on the Supermax down the road. OKC is a good test case with SGA. This screams Beal-level problem to me. We’re the old Russ/KD runner-ups of the future, but we’re paying a Russ/KD/Harden bill.

Jaylen never makes another all-NBA team.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#60 » by snowman » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:26 pm

White, Brown, Tatum, RW3, Porzingis
Brogdon, Banton, Hauser, Horford (---)
Pritchard, Walsh, Brissette, (---), (---)
two-way
Davison, Scrubb
That's 12 guaranteed spots and 2 two-way spots.

13th roster spot:
Kornet, not sure if his contract guaranteed yet, although I expect it will be.

We still have $3,388,443 left under the 2nd apron, and if we can fill the last two spots and stay under that would be ideal. That is $1,694,221 per roster spot. Minimum salary for a player with 0 years of service (never been signed to a regular NBA contract) is $1,119,563, so it is possible. A player with 1 year of service jumps to a minimum of $1,801,769. A player with 2 years of service jumps to a minimum of $2,019,706. So, we could sign a player with 2 years of service and a player with 0 years of service and still be under the 2nd apron. Or we could just sign 1 minimum player and leave the 15th slot open. Just signing 1 player means we could sign any player we wanted to a minimum and still be under the 2nd apron because the minimum salary for a 10 year + player is $3,196,448, which basically means any player in the league that will except the minimum from us is ok, just no 15th roster spot player.

Options for the 14th roster spot:
Champagnie is not guaranteed yet. I think his play in training camp will decide if he is back or not. I'm leaning not. There are a few FA wings or point guards better than he is still out there that will have to take a minimum deal somewhere, why not chase a ring with us at the same time. Danny Green, Romeo Langford, Javonte Green, Justice Winslow, Austin Rivers not to mention someone we could bet by trading a 2nd round pick for.

Options for the 15th roster spot depending on what we do with the 14th spot:
I wouldn't mind if Azubuike gets the 15th roster spot, because he would be on a minimum deal and can't be on another two-way spot. We need a brute to throw around at the bigger centers of the league. That being said I still think we could bring back Kabengele on a minimum one-year deal as a project for the 14th spot. Or, if we can resign Blake, I'm good to bring him back.

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