Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

Fierce1 · Post #61 » by **Fierce1** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:27 pm

Guess this ends all Jaylen Brown trade proposals.

Post #62 » by **snowman** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:28 pm

snowman wrote:
chakdaddy wrote:I would consider bringing back Blake as platoon partner for Al

I believe Blakes minimum would be more than what we have under the 2nd apron for this upcoming season. Minimum salary for a 10 year + of service is $3,196,448, and according to Spotrac, we have only $3,388,443 left under the 2nd apron to sign at least 1 player, but 2 spots to fill. Now I think there is a discount to the actual cap charge for signing a vet player to a minimum contract, but not sure if that applies to the new CBA.

I have also read somewhere that he wants a bigger role this season. Not sure he would get that now unless there was an injury to one of our bigs. I do think we need to sign a big for back up insurance, because I do not think Kornet can do it, just not sure Blake can be the one either.

edit:
If all we do is sign a 14th roster player, then we can afford Blake and still be under the 2nd apron, just couldn't sign a 15th player.

Curmudgeon · Post #63 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:31 pm

Fierce1 wrote:Guess this ends all Jaylen Brown trade proposals.

Most trade proposals, period, since over the 2nd apron you can't take back more salary in a trade than you send out. That means no more 25% rule, no more trade exceptions, etc.

Fierce1 · Post #64 » by **Fierce1** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:32 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Guess this ends all Jaylen Brown trade proposals.

Most trade proposals, period, since over the 2nd apron you can't take back more salary in a trade than you send out.

Give it a rest.

It's over.

JB won.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #65 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:34 pm

Stevens made the right move. Just can't deal JB for 75% or less of his value.

The NBA brings in an insane amount of revenue. This deal will get dwarfed in a few years. The Jaylen haters need to calm down.

Fierce1 · Post #66 » by **Fierce1** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:36 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:Stevens made the right move. Just can't deal JB for 75% or less of his value.

The NBA brings in an insane amount of revenue. This deal will get dwarfed in a few years. The Jaylen haters need to calm down.

True.

Only way this deal becomes bad is if Jaylen decides he doesn't need to do the work anymore and he just ends up getting fat and he just shoots 3 all game long.

Post #67 » by **snowman** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:37 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Guess this ends all Jaylen Brown trade proposals.

Most trade proposals, period, since over the 2nd apron you can't take back more salary in a trade than you send out.

In every trade that has ever been, one team takes back less than the other team. I don't believe that there has ever been an exact trade, dollar for dollar done in the NBA. We just need to make sure we are the team taking back a bit less. Well with Brogdon's 22.5 mil and Pritchard's 4 mil deal being able to be broken down into smaller contracts through trades (if Brad elects to go that way) it can still be done, and actually bring back less money than going out. Doesn't look like Brad is interested in moving either of them this season, but Brogdon will be looked at hard next off season.

Fierce1 · Post #68 » by **Fierce1** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:39 pm

snowman wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Guess this ends all Jaylen Brown trade proposals.

Most trade proposals, period, since over the 2nd apron you can't take back more salary in a trade than you send out.

In every trade that has ever been, one team takes back less than the other team. I don't believe that there has ever been an exact trade, dollar for dollar done in the NBA. We just need to make sure we are the team taking back a bit less. Well with Brogdon's 22.5 mil and Pritchard's 4 mil deal being able to be broken down into smaller contracts through trades (if Brad elects to go that way) it can still be done, and actually bring back less money than going out. Doesn't look like Brad is interested in moving either of them this season, but Brogdon will be looked at hard next off season.

Not if the Celtics end up winning a chip in June 2024.

Fierce1 · Post #69 » by **Fierce1** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:42 pm

Celts now have one of the tallest starting 5 in the NBA.

White, JB, JT, Al, and KP

This should make the Cs better defensively.

Celts17Pride · Post #70 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:42 pm

snowman wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Guess this ends all Jaylen Brown trade proposals.

Most trade proposals, period, since over the 2nd apron you can't take back more salary in a trade than you send out.

In every trade that has ever been, one team takes back less than the other team. I don't believe that there has ever been an exact trade, dollar for dollar done in the NBA. We just need to make sure we are the team taking back a bit less. Well with Brogdon's 22.5 mil and Pritchard's 4 mil deal being able to be broken down into smaller contracts through trades (if Brad elects to go that way) it can still be done, and actually bring back less money than going out. Doesn't look like Brad is interested in moving either of them this season, but Brogdon will be looked at hard next off season.

I still don't think Brogdon makes it to the start of the 2023/2024 season.

Post #71 » by **snowman** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:43 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
snowman wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
Most trade proposals, period, since over the 2nd apron you can't take back more salary in a trade than you send out.

In every trade that has ever been, one team takes back less than the other team. I don't believe that there has ever been an exact trade, dollar for dollar done in the NBA. We just need to make sure we are the team taking back a bit less. Well with Brogdon's 22.5 mil and Pritchard's 4 mil deal being able to be broken down into smaller contracts through trades (if Brad elects to go that way) it can still be done, and actually bring back less money than going out. Doesn't look like Brad is interested in moving either of them this season, but Brogdon will be looked at hard next off season.

Not if the Celtics end up winning a chip in June 2024.

Got that right. I'm just saying that of all the players on the team, taking in consideration salary, age and health, Brogdon's contract will be the first to be looked at, because Horford is going to retire a Celtic, then become a big man coach for us.

Fierce1 · Post #72 » by **Fierce1** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:44 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
snowman wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
Most trade proposals, period, since over the 2nd apron you can't take back more salary in a trade than you send out.

In every trade that has ever been, one team takes back less than the other team. I don't believe that there has ever been an exact trade, dollar for dollar done in the NBA. We just need to make sure we are the team taking back a bit less. Well with Brogdon's 22.5 mil and Pritchard's 4 mil deal being able to be broken down into smaller contracts through trades (if Brad elects to go that way) it can still be done, and actually bring back less money than going out. Doesn't look like Brad is interested in moving either of them this season, but Brogdon will be looked at hard next off season.

I still don't think Brogdon makes it to the start of the 2023/2024 season.

Just doesn't make sense to trade one of your best PGs when you already traded your starting PG in Marcus Smart.

Brogdon is staying.

Post #73 » by **darrendaye** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:44 pm

snowman wrote:White, Brown, Tatum, RW3, Porzingis
Brogdon, Banton, Hauser, Horford (---)
Pritchard, Walsh, Brissette, (---), (---)
two-way
Davison, Scrubb
That's 12 guaranteed spots and 2 two-way spots.

13th roster spot:
Kornet, not sure if his contract guaranteed yet, although I expect it will be.

We still have $3,388,443 left under the 2nd apron, and if we can fill the last two spots and stay under that would be ideal. That is $1,694,221 per roster spot. Minimum salary for a player with 0 years of service (never been signed to a regular NBA contract) is $1,119,563, so it is possible. A player with 1 year of service jumps to a minimum of $1,801,769. A player with 2 years of service jumps to a minimum of $2,019,706. So, we could sign a player with 2 years of service and a player with 0 years of service and still be under the 2nd apron. Or we could just sign 1 minimum player and leave the 15th slot open. Just signing 1 player means we could sign any player we wanted to a minimum and still be under the 2nd apron because the minimum salary for a 10 year + player is $3,196,448, which basically means any player in the league that will except the minimum from us is ok, just no 15th roster spot player.

Options for the 14th roster spot:
Champagnie is not guaranteed yet. I think his play in training camp will decide if he is back or not. I'm leaning not. There are a few FA wings or point guards better than he is still out there that will have to take a minimum deal somewhere, why not chase a ring with us at the same time. Danny Green, Romeo Langford, Javonte Green, Justice Winslow, Austin Rivers not to mention someone we could bet by trading a 2nd round pick for.

Options for the 15th roster spot depending on what we do with the 14th spot:
I wouldn't mind if Azubuike gets the 15th roster spot, because he would be on a minimum deal and can't be on another two-way spot. We need a brute to throw around at the bigger centers of the league. That being said I still think we could bring back Kabengele on a minimum one-year deal as a project for the 14th spot. Or, if we can resign Blake, I'm good to bring him back.

The 3,388,443 includes Champagnie's 1,927,896, correct? Can anyone confirm this? Also, does the room also account for likely to be reached contract incentives? And a championship could put them over anyway if it's included in contract incentives too.

Ok, some that are displayed on Spotrac (LTBE = likely to be earned, ULTBE = unlikely....)
Robert Williams: ULTBE: $1,446,431 (>= 69 regular season games, All-Defense, Confence Semifinals, Conference Finals)
Jaylen: LTBE: $3,321,428 (65 games played, 2nd Round, Conf Finals, Finals, All-NBA)
D White: LTBE: $750,000 (>= 70 regular season games, All-Defense), ULTBE: $500,000 (3PM >= 185)

lon3lytoaster · Post #74 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:44 pm

I have no idea why players agreed to this CBA.. they love super teams and skirting their contractual obligations. Going to be tough to manage next year.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #75 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:45 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Stevens made the right move. Just can't deal JB for 75% or less of his value.

The NBA brings in an insane amount of revenue. This deal will get dwarfed in a few years. The Jaylen haters need to calm down.

True.

Only way this deal becomes bad is if Jaylen decides he doesn't need to do the work anymore and he just ends up getting fat and he just shoots 3 all game long.

It's a bad deal if he's frequently hurt...

Jaylen seems like the type who will put in the work.

Celts17Pride · Post #76 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:45 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
snowman wrote:
In every trade that has ever been, one team takes back less than the other team. I don't believe that there has ever been an exact trade, dollar for dollar done in the NBA. We just need to make sure we are the team taking back a bit less. Well with Brogdon's 22.5 mil and Pritchard's 4 mil deal being able to be broken down into smaller contracts through trades (if Brad elects to go that way) it can still be done, and actually bring back less money than going out. Doesn't look like Brad is interested in moving either of them this season, but Brogdon will be looked at hard next off season.

I still don't think Brogdon makes it to the start of the 2023/2024 season.

Just doesn't make sense to trade one of your best PGs when you already traded your starting PG in Marcus Smart.

Brogdon is staying.

We'll see.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #77 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:47 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Guess this ends all Jaylen Brown trade proposals.

Most trade proposals, period, since over the 2nd apron you can't take back more salary in a trade than you send out. That means no more 25% rule, no more trade exceptions, etc.

Celtics aren't over the second apron.

Fierce1 · Post #78 » by **Fierce1** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:47 pm

snowman wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
snowman wrote:
In every trade that has ever been, one team takes back less than the other team. I don't believe that there has ever been an exact trade, dollar for dollar done in the NBA. We just need to make sure we are the team taking back a bit less. Well with Brogdon's 22.5 mil and Pritchard's 4 mil deal being able to be broken down into smaller contracts through trades (if Brad elects to go that way) it can still be done, and actually bring back less money than going out. Doesn't look like Brad is interested in moving either of them this season, but Brogdon will be looked at hard next off season.

Not if the Celtics end up winning a chip in June 2024.

Got that right. I'm just saying that of all the players on the team, taking in consideration salary, age and health, Brogdon's contract will be the first to be looked at, because Horford is going to retire a Celtic, then become a big man coach for us.

Brogs, White, and Al will all be expiring in 2024-25.

So Cs should get some cap relief in the summer of 2025.

I think it's best if you let this core finish their run and make the necessary changes after 2024-25.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #79 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:48 pm

al bondiga wrote:Don't want to ruin anyone's Parade... But don't you think the Jaylen brown deal destroys The current Celtic team for a couple of years?... What the hell happened to the front office?

It’s **** but I don’t know if any GM would have had the leverage to pay him less. We’ll have to see what the incentives are, “up to 304” leaves a ton of wiggle room. Hopefully fifth year and kicker brought down his ask for guaranteed salary.

zoyathedestroya · Post #80 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:53 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
al bondiga wrote:Don't want to ruin anyone's Parade... But don't you think the Jaylen brown deal destroys The current Celtic team for a couple of years?... What the hell happened to the front office?

It’s **** but I don’t know if any GM would have had the leverage to pay him less. We’ll have to see what the incentives are, “up to 304” leaves a ton of wiggle room. Hopefully fifth year and kicker brought down his ask for guaranteed salary.

“Up to 304” could simply mean the cap bump is anywhere between 5% to 10%. It’s 304M if cap jump is 10%. I think they’re giving him the full supermax.