Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[HiJiNX]

Fair enough, it's not elite though.

It’s not? Haha. Enlighten me. You’d be in the minority of folks to say that about Barnes.

How many guys in the league see the floor like Barnes or better?? They certainly exist but there aren’t that many.

What’s interesting is when you generate that list you’ll see the kind of quality of player that sees the floor as well as he does.

I’d actually be surprised if there are people around the league that view Scottie as having elite passing recognition and delivery. Has anyone ever said he’s elite at it? He’s got great vision but saying he’s elite is a pretty big stretch especially given his pedestrian assist rates the past two years. When I think of elite, I think of guys like Luka, Jokic, CP3 and Lebron.

Scottie isn’t there yet but he could get there.

What are those guys’ usage rates?

Of course, the counter argument is those guys can score in the halfcourt efficiently so their usage rates are justified. I’ll concede to that one. Hopefully Barnes is able to up his own scoring efficiency.

[MoMan24]

For anyone who knows, bringing the ball up and setting up the offense takes a lot out of you compared to just running in the corner. I hope Scottie's body holds up next season with the increased usage. He had those lingering ankle issues all season

The increased usage is not the issue. The issue was he was hurt going into training camp which Scottie missed most of. Instead of having him sit out and heal properly we had him rush back out there playing 35+ minutes a night while asking him to play Center, set screens and guard Point Guards from half court while grimacing half the game from discomfort and rolling his ankle once a week. Which lead to more nagging injuries which I am 100% effected his play. I'm so glad Nurse is gone so we don't have to watch him play players into the ground while not using them optimally.

The increased usage while being a lead distributor will bring fatigue which leads to injuries. Especially for a guy that size. They just have to monitor that. Didnt understand playing him through injuries last year. Should have rested him as he was clearly hurt.

Hopefully it was just a Nurse thing. He rode a injured Fred into the ground Scottie's rookie year. This thing where we play our hurt players has to stop. Also having Scottie who is massive with high hips pressuring guards and getting hit with screen after screen is just a horrible strategy. Having him bump and bang with centers and using him as a hustle big is also dumb and is more unnecessary wear and tear. He was asked to do the dirty work while not being 100%. Scottie for sure needs to get better but last year was just horribly managed team all around.

[MessiahUjiri]

The increased usage is not the issue. The issue was he was hurt going into training camp which Scottie missed most of. Instead of having him sit out and heal properly we had him rush back out there playing 35+ minutes a night while asking him to play Center, set screens and guard Point Guards from half court while grimacing half the game from discomfort and rolling his ankle once a week. Which lead to more nagging injuries which I am 100% effected his play. I'm so glad Nurse is gone so we don't have to watch him play players into the ground while not using them optimally.

The increased usage while being a lead distributor will bring fatigue which leads to injuries. Especially for a guy that size. They just have to monitor that. Didnt understand playing him through injuries last year. Should have rested him as he was clearly hurt.

Hopefully it was just a Nurse thing. He rode a injured Fred into the ground Scottie's rookie year. This thing where we play our hurt players has to stop. Also having Scottie who is massive with high hips pressuring guards and getting hit with screen after screen is just a horrible strategy. Having him bump and bang with centers and using him as a hustle big is also dumb and is more unnecessary wear and tear. He was asked to do the dirty work while not being 100%. Scottie for sure needs to get better but last year was just horribly managed team all around.

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If anything, there’s shared blame between Nurse, Masai (who did not provide the team with any bench), and Fred (whose ego was clearly too big).

[ItsDanger]

People are stuck in 5 out 3 pt chucking mode, there are other ways to create spacing if the team has chemistry. Scottie models his game after Magic.

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[OakleyDokely]

Scottie's passing is encouraging for a player of his size/position. He was right around 5 assists which is really good for non guards. The only non guards to average more per game were Jokic, Sabonis, Draymond, Lebron, Siakam, Ingram, Giannis, KD, PG, Middleton, Towns, Demar -- and not only are these guys much older, they are either offensive hubs or elite offensive players with the ball in their hands a lot. For comparison sake, Siakam didn't get to Barnes assist total until just a couple years ago, at 27 years old and Siakam has transformed himself into a terrific playmaker. The other encouraging sign is that Barnes is a pretty low turnover player.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

i'm waiting for the Barnes redemption season. the slander against him should be taped to his ceiling and it should be like energy to motivate him everytime he wakes up.

[raf1995]

i'm waiting for the Barnes redemption season. the slander against him should be taped to his ceiling and it should be like energy to motivate him everytime he wakes up.

I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

i'm waiting for the Barnes redemption season. the slander against him should be taped to his ceiling and it should be like energy to motivate him everytime he wakes up.

I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.

i hope not. and i hope this quote will be pinned to my sig as a reminder of this slander!

[PoundTown]

i'm waiting for the Barnes redemption season. the slander against him should be taped to his ceiling and it should be like energy to motivate him everytime he wakes up.

I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.

i hope not. and i hope this quote will be pinned to my sig as a reminder of this slander!

He has big time potential, and it's not solely dependent on him turning into a really good shooter. We just don't know how much of that potential he will fulfill. This season should be telling, needs to be noticeable improvement in skill and overall consistency throughout the course of the game and game to game.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[Yeezus_]

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So much untapped potential. It's crazy how he has monster games with a really raw offensive skillset. If that ever develops, watch out!

[canada_dry]

So... no more vids of the summer runs this year?

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[Raps in 4]

i'm waiting for the Barnes redemption season. the slander against him should be taped to his ceiling and it should be like energy to motivate him everytime he wakes up.

I wonder how many of his haters are going to admit they were wrong about him when he plays well next season.

[Raps in 4]

i'm waiting for the Barnes redemption season. the slander against him should be taped to his ceiling and it should be like energy to motivate him everytime he wakes up.

I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.

34 year-old KD and 33 year-old Dame are not "hauls".

If a <30 star demanded out, you bet Masai would be offering Scottie in that trade. But you don't trade top prospects for guys who are on the decline.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

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So much untapped potential. It's crazy how he has monster games with a really raw offensive skillset. If that ever develops, watch out!

the jumpshot is all the difference between him and superstardom tbh. he has the bully ball, size, court vision and passing ability. he also has that never-back-down demeanor from anyone. the league would be in danger if he ever gets that jumper in his game. of course consistency is also key as well.

[manjusaka]

So... no more vids of the summer runs this year?

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Remember those vids about DDR shooting 3s in the summer?

[HumbleRen]

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[WuTang_CMB]

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[TheGeneral99]

i'm waiting for the Barnes redemption season. the slander against him should be taped to his ceiling and it should be like energy to motivate him everytime he wakes up.

I really have hardly seen any slander against Barnes other than legitimate critique.

He needs to work on his conditioning and his shooting.

Other than that, he's a stud.

[TheGeneral99]

Scottie's passing is encouraging for a player of his size/position. He was right around 5 assists which is really good for non guards. The only non guards to average more per game were Jokic, Sabonis, Draymond, Lebron, Siakam, Ingram, Giannis, KD, PG, Middleton, Towns, Demar -- and not only are these guys much older, they are either offensive hubs or elite offensive players with the ball in their hands a lot. For comparison sake, Siakam didn't get to Barnes assist total until just a couple years ago, at 27 years old and Siakam has transformed himself into a terrific playmaker. The other encouraging sign is that Barnes is a pretty low turnover player.

Just for comparison:

Barnes at 21 averaged 15, 7 and 5.

Jokic at 21 averaged 19, 11 and 6.

Lebron at 21 averaged 31, 7 and 7.

Giannis at 21 averaged 17, 8 and 4.

Not saying he'll ever reached any of those guys level but will be fun to watch how much he can improve. If he can get to the point where he averages around 22, 8 and 8 on good efficiency I would be very, very happy.