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Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#161 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:20 pm

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Riverwalk2021 wrote:Trade PP. The guy was openly complaining during the season when we are trying to win a championship. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

What exactly is the issue with Pritchard's statement ? He is a professional basketball player that wants to play professional basketball. It'd be more concerning if he didn't want to, to be honest.

Now sure if he had come out and said I'm better than White/Smart/Brogdon and I deserve more minutes that's a problem because it's both false and damaging to the locker room. But that's not what happened.

He could have just kept his mouth shut and played basketball.

Then, perhaps during the offseason (not right in the middle of the season) go to Brad privately (not publicly in the media) and ask for a trade.

People get mad when players just spew platitudes during interviews and want honest answers. When they get honest answers they get mad because they don't like those answers. I don't know what they are supposed to do. Only give honest answers when it aligns with the views of the entire fanbase ? Come on now.

Let's try this hypothetical. You are a young person fresh out of college trying to get established in your field so you can secure your financial future. You want to build on a fairly successful first year but during the second year management decides to bring someone more experienced and qualified to do your job (White) which means your responsabilities are reduced. Despite the disruption to your routine you slightly improve your performance level compared to your rookie season. Then at the end of that sophomore year, not only does the organization hire the person they hope is your long term replacement (Davison), they also bring in an experienced specialist (Brogdon) to pretty much make you redundant in the meantime.

Through no real fault of your own, you find yourself completely deprived of opportunities to perform the job you were hired to do and that you love doing. It's even gotten to the point that your role has been so scaled back that you are so rusty on the rare occasions you are called upon that your performance dropped off. People across the industry are starting to wonder what's going on and that's affecting your chances of finding employment elsewhere in that field.

Someone then asks your opinion on where your career is going. You:
a/ express what is fairly understandable frustration and hope for a quick resolution that will let you get your career back on track.
b/ wait a few months to privately talk to the management that has screwed you over at every turn (*) so they can help you find a spot elsewhere in the industry.

If anything, Pritchard, who didn't even express any ill will towards the front office or the people that were brought in to take over his job, showed more restraint than the majority of people would in his shoes.

(*) I don't think it was done intentionally by the Celtics. They were focused on bigger priorities than Pritchard development's but the end result is still that it tanked his career.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#162 » by playa-hater » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:23 pm

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Riverwalk2021 wrote:Trade PP. The guy was openly complaining during the season when we are trying to win a championship. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

What exactly is the issue with Pritchard's statement ? He is a professional basketball player that wants to play professional basketball. It'd be more concerning if he didn't want to, to be honest.

Now sure if he had come out and said I'm better than White/Smart/Brogdon and I deserve more minutes that's a problem because it's both false and damaging to the locker room. But that's not what happened.

He could have just kept his mouth shut and played basketball.

Then, perhaps during the offseason (not right in the middle of the season) go to Brad privately (not publicly in the media) and ask for a trade.


He made that statement before the trade deadline Hoping to be traded. He has been sitting back quietly and sometimes screwed over for years... I have absolutely no problem with him making any statement like that at that time.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#163 » by GoGreen » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:26 pm

I'm not sure how to feel about PP. Under a better coach I could maybe see him develop nicely, but here with Joe? Ehh. We'll see how he handles his minutes, because if Brogs is more hurt than the team is letting on we will certainly see him plenty.
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Post#164 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:27 pm

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Didn’t listen to the presser yet but what healing process? Is Bobby being overly dramatic? So Clippers screwed us over by not going through with the trade and now we have two grumpy backup PGs — one cos he wasn’t traded and the other ‘cause he almost was?
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Post#165 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:32 pm

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Post#166 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:35 pm

Find you a man/woman that looks at you the way Brad looks at JB (same look he once gave to Hayward). He was never going to trade him despite all my pleas lol.
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Post#167 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:35 pm

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Didn’t listen to the presser yet but what healing process? Is Bobby being overly dramatic? So Clippers screwed us over by not going through with the trade and now we have two grumpy backup PGs — one cos he wasn’t traded and the other ‘cause he almost was?

Yeah I think he's being overly dramatic. He tends to do that.
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Post#168 » by KamikazeK » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:37 pm

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So no Dame then? Lol.

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Post#170 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:00 pm

Still not the traditional, “true point guard” some are looking for, but DWhite is a PG and has played that role in the past.

Here’s what Pop said of him back in 2019…

“He’s got a pretty good head on his shoulders and he runs the team pretty well. He’s got a nice even-keel to his temperament. He’s a good passer, and all of those things are good qualities for a point guard.”

Spurs won 35 of their 55 games with him as starting PG in 2018-19 (Murray missed all season). 11/4/4 in 28 mpg on 49/35/78 splits.
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Post#171 » by Glenn McDonald » Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:09 pm

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165bows wrote:Just edited the prior post, for some reason they list a salary for Walsh but don’t include it in the cap total. Not sure why, have to figure that part out.


Yep, I noted that on one of my posts yesterday. That's why I keep mentioning it's 2.2mm in room not 3.3mm. Interestingly they do seem to include it in their 24-25 calculations.

Basically that 2M gap between the salary total and the apron space could either be Walsh/2x two ways, or it could be the unlikely incentives. Or maybe something else. But both of those first pairs of numbers are super close so I’m not sure lol.


2nd round exceptions do not count against the salary cap from July 1st to July 30th per the CBA. Walsh’s 23-24 salary will begin counting on July 31st
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Post#172 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:11 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Still not the traditional, “true point guard” some are looking for, but DWhite is a PG and has played that role in the past.

Here’s what Pop said of him back in 2019…

“He’s got a pretty good head on his shoulders and he runs the team pretty well. He’s got a nice even-keel to his temperament. He’s a good passer, and all of those things are good qualities for a point guard.”

Spurs won 35 of their 55 games with him as starting PG in 2018-19 (Murray missed all season). 11/4/4 in 28 mpg on 49/35/78 splits.

It seemed like when he first got here in 21-22 season, he was passing the ball A TON. Almost being too unselfish. But his shot also wasn't falling as much. But perhaps he was just being more passive on a new team.

Then this past season he looked to score more. His shot was falling more. And perhaps with the addition of Brogdon (so both Brogdon and Smart on the team, both PG's) perhaps White felt like he needed to score more. Except for that week or 2 he was starting at PG when Smart was out - White was more of a floor general, facilitator then.

As for Brogdon, his role was 6th man, scoring punch off the bench. Since Smart was starting PG and we had White too (who was a good passer and not as a good a shooter/scorer as Brogdon).

Perhaps now, with Smart gone (so more of a need for both Brogdon and White to pick up their playmaking) and Porzingis here (so less need for White and Brogdon to score), I'm optimistic that both White and Brogdon will be better, more consistent playmakers this season. We need them to score too, but we need their playmaking even more.
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Post#173 » by chakdaddy » Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:13 pm

What does everyone think of as an ideal PG? And how many have them have ever existed?

To me the ideal is Magic/Stockton/Kidd, pass first but can hit an open jumper. Magic is my favorite PG of all time by a landslide. Any score first PG not named Steph Curry would worry me a bit.
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Post#174 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:27 pm

They're never trading him...

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Post#177 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:30 pm

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Didn’t listen to the presser yet but what healing process? Is Bobby being overly dramatic? So Clippers screwed us over by not going through with the trade and now we have two grumpy backup PGs — one cos he wasn’t traded and the other ‘cause he almost was?

Yeah I think he's being overly dramatic. He tends to do that.

Okay, so the term "healing process" came from Mazzulla himself.
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Post#178 » by captain green » Thu Jul 27, 2023 12:25 am

Just to get a pulse where are we weakest?
Pg: white, pp, banton, JD( Brogdon, tatum, al)
Sg: Brown, Brogdon, champ, scrubb (banton, white)
Sf: Tatum, Brissett, Walsh (brown Brogdon Hauser banton champ)
Pf: unicorn, Hauser ( Tatum, brissett, horford, timelord)
C: timelord, horford, kornet ( unicorn)
So the one free agent you can drop in this and smooth it out is whom? Also who is your? Third two way? I'm saying pf/c and going with Christian Wood ( rumor's withstanding decent stats for vet minimum. And then signing olex for third two way.
What is the weakest position? Who is your free agent? And who is your two way?
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Post#179 » by KamikazeK » Thu Jul 27, 2023 12:37 am

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Post#180 » by zoyathedestroya » Thu Jul 27, 2023 12:39 am



Depending on his health, will take him over the likes of Wood, Ross, Barton, and Oubre. Will turn 30 before season starts. Reunite him with Brogdon and Brissett.

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