Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

[darrendaye]

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Not exactly a quote that gives one comfort he is willing to accept a lesser offensive role. But I'm clearly focused on the one quote here and did not listen to any of the commentary myself...

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Looks like Willy is gonna sign with a team over in Europe.

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Could have been a nice backup big man option. But he wasn't getting a lot of mins for the Pelicans last season - him heading overseas means he wants to go somewhere he can get more playing time..

[zoyathedestroya]

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Not exactly a quote that gives one comfort he is willing to accept a lesser offensive role. But I'm clearly focused on the one quote here and did not listen to any of the commentary myself...

I sensed none of that. I think quote was towards the end of his presser and question about new additions to the team was right after question about his feelings re losing Smart. So his train of thought might still be on that -- that Cs defensive identity shouldn't go out the door with Smarty or something to that effect.

Starts with Joe. Up to him to clearly define roles and set some sort of hierarchy on offense. But for sure Jays and Brogs would have to sacrifice a bit of their individual numbers for better offensive synergy and to achieve a greater goal.

[ajones9219]

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Will never understand the media's unwavering belief in Milwaukee.

Bro literally. They have made it out of the second round once in like 5 years

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

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Didn’t listen to the presser yet but what healing process? Is Bobby being overly dramatic? So Clippers screwed us over by not going through with the trade and now we have two grumpy backup PGs — one cos he wasn’t traded and the other ‘cause he almost was?

Yeah I think he's being overly dramatic. He tends to do that.

Okay, so the term "healing process" came from Mazzulla himself.

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Wow this is a thing? Brogdon should be worried about the healing process of getting his body capable of doing his job.

He is super well spoken and comes across well but I do not have a huge amount of trust in who this guy really is. When he got here last year he pretty much straight up admitted being a big stat padder but this year would be different and he was now going to be all about winning.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Floody100]

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Will never understand the media's unwavering belief in Milwaukee.

Bro literally. They have made it out of the second round once in like 5 years

It’s insane. Championship year they were a toe away from getting bounced by KD & a bunch of role players & then faced damn Atlanta to get to the finals. We beat them in 22’, they get bounced in the first round last season & Middleton, Holiday & Lopez are now all a year older.

They didn’t address anything this off-season & are basically just hoping the 3 guys I just mentioned haven’t taken a step back & don’t get injured.

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Will never understand the media's unwavering belief in Milwaukee.

Bro literally. They have made it out of the second round once in like 5 years

It’s insane. Championship year they were a toe away from getting bounced by KD & a bunch of role players & then faced damn Atlanta to get to the finals. We beat them in 22’, they get bounced in the first round last season & Middleton, Holiday & Lopez are now all a year older.

They didn’t address anything this off-season & are basically just hoping the 3 guys I just mentioned haven’t taken a step back & don’t get injured.

The Bucks have been consistently good in the regular season.

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Yeah I think he's being overly dramatic. He tends to do that.

Okay, so the term "healing process" came from Mazzulla himself.

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Wow this is a thing? Brogdon should be worried about the healing process of getting his body capable of doing his job.

He is super well spoken and comes across well but I do not have a huge amount of trust in who this guy really is. When he got here last year he pretty much straight up admitted being a big stat padder but this year would be different and he was now going to be all about winning.

And even last year he declined quarter-ending heaves to keep his averages up.

Although to his credit, he did NOT continue that behavior during the playoffs, and actually made such a shot. ... Which actually just shows that he should attempt them in the regular season too.

[ajones9219]

Bro literally. They have made it out of the second round once in like 5 years

It’s insane. Championship year they were a toe away from getting bounced by KD & a bunch of role players & then faced damn Atlanta to get to the finals. We beat them in 22’, they get bounced in the first round last season & Middleton, Holiday & Lopez are now all a year older.

They didn’t address anything this off-season & are basically just hoping the 3 guys I just mentioned haven’t taken a step back & don’t get injured.

The Bucks have been consistently good in the regular season.

What has that bought them in the playoffs exactly outside of the one run where the field cleared itself for them?

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It’s insane. Championship year they were a toe away from getting bounced by KD & a bunch of role players & then faced damn Atlanta to get to the finals. We beat them in 22’, they get bounced in the first round last season & Middleton, Holiday & Lopez are now all a year older.

They didn’t address anything this off-season & are basically just hoping the 3 guys I just mentioned haven’t taken a step back & don’t get injured.

The Bucks have been consistently good in the regular season.

What has that bought them in the playoffs exactly outside of the one run where the field cleared itself for them?

Little except home court.

But it's bought them strong regular season power rankings.

[Bill Lumbergh]

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Didn’t listen to the presser yet but what healing process? Is Bobby being overly dramatic? So Clippers screwed us over by not going through with the trade and now we have two grumpy backup PGs — one cos he wasn’t traded and the other ‘cause he almost was?

I think Joe should call Malcolm every day and tell him how much he loves him. Healing solved. You're welcome.

[steefP2]

Just did the math on this and the above numbers include all non-gtd money, ie Champs and Kornet.

Which thinking it through makes sense, since why would they include Kornet in the total but not Champs.

Spotrac also has this resource, as we ponder financial implications and such, of what the vet min would be at certain years of experience levels. They do not have 23-24 yet however
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/minimum/

Just edited the prior post, for some reason they list a salary for Walsh but don’t include it in the cap total. Not sure why, have to figure that part out.

It’s because second round exceptions signing don’t count for the cap until end of July. It’s a way to make sure people sign their 2nd rounders earlier while not having that hold up other transactions. Previously 2nd rounders would go unsigned until late in the summer which could screw them over if thei got hurt in summer league for example

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Didn’t listen to the presser yet but what healing process? Is Bobby being overly dramatic? So Clippers screwed us over by not going through with the trade and now we have two grumpy backup PGs — one cos he wasn’t traded and the other ‘cause he almost was?

I think Joe should call Malcolm every day and tell him how much he loves him. Healing solved. You're welcome.

+1000
Malcolm won 6MOTY FOR A REASON.
HE IS INVALUABLE.

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What does everyone think of as an ideal PG? And how many have them have ever existed?

To me the ideal is Magic/Stockton/Kidd, pass first but can hit an open jumper. Magic is my favorite PG of all time by a landslide. Any score first PG not named Steph Curry would worry me a bit.

I think a lot of us (myself included) grew up with Magic and Stockton (and then Kidd, good call) defining this position. And if this is what you’re implying, I think those guys are rare in NBA history, and not part of the mix for championship teams for the last two decades at least. Stockton came close 25 years ago. Kidd won one only as an old man carried by Dirk. Our own Johnny Rondo (2008) is probably the last one for awhile.

I’m super happy with White/Brogdon. That combo kicks most current and historical ass.

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Just to get a pulse where are we weakest?
Pg: white, pp, banton, JD( Brogdon, tatum, al)
Sg: Brown, Brogdon, champ, scrubb (banton, white)
Sf: Tatum, Brissett, Walsh (brown Brogdon Hauser banton champ)
Pf: unicorn, Hauser ( Tatum, brissett, horford, timelord)
C: timelord, horford, kornet ( unicorn)
So the one free agent you can drop in this and smooth it out is whom? Also who is your? Third two way? I'm saying pf/c and going with Christian Wood ( rumor's withstanding decent stats for vet minimum. And then signing olex for third two way.
What is the weakest position? Who is your free agent? And who is your two way?

1. Weakest position is backup SG in that if JB and/or Malcolm gets banged up we have PP playing major minutes. And I like PP, but not that much. Or maybe they trust Banton, which would be cool, just again I’m not ready to.

2. The FA I want who I think is very realistic is Javonte Green. Give me that defensive and hustle and good vibes as a backup 2 (who’ll also be fine as 3rd string). Don’t mention goddamned Terrance Ross. I also have liked TJ Warren since his draft but I’d sign elsewhere if I were him.

If the team views another big as a bigger priority then I’m interested in keeping Azubuike as the 14th guy (goodbye Champaigne).

3. Don’t care about the 3rd two way, but trust Brad to find someone at least somewhat interesting. I look forward to googling him whenever he is signed.

[darrendaye]

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Not exactly a quote that gives one comfort he is willing to accept a lesser offensive role. But I'm clearly focused on the one quote here and did not listen to any of the commentary myself...

I sensed none of that. I think quote was towards the end of his presser and question about new additions to the team was right after question about his feelings re losing Smart. So his train of thought might still be on that -- that Cs defensive identity shouldn't go out the door with Smarty or something to that effect.

Starts with Joe. Up to him to clearly define roles and set some sort of hierarchy on offense. But for sure Jays and Brogs would have to sacrifice a bit of their individual numbers for better offensive synergy and to achieve a greater goal.

Ok, thanks for clarity and context. I was being more snarky than serious anyway.

[JaMarco]

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Not exactly a quote that gives one comfort he is willing to accept a lesser offensive role.

[Larry_Russell]

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Not exactly a quote that gives one comfort he is willing to accept a lesser offensive role. But I'm clearly focused on the one quote here and did not listen to any of the commentary myself...

Its pretty obvious that Brown will not accept a step back in role. HE thinks he is easily on par with Tatum and should be afforded al the same things.

He thinks KP is below him in the pecking order. Which is mond boggling to me.