2025 ATL Thread - Burnes to have TJ surgery

Post #601 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:47 pm

I can't really fault the Angels on this one. They gave up two prospects, neither looking like locks to be MLB regulars, for the top starter on the market. Once they decided to keep Ohtani they had to make this kind of move.

At one point the Brewers gave up Matt LaPorta for CC Sabathia and it turned into one of the most fun rides in team history. Maybe the Angels miss the playoffs, but their fans having a couple more months of the best player ever isn't a small thing.

wichmae · Post #602 » by **wichmae** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:59 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I can't really fault the Angels on this one. They gave up two prospects, neither looking like locks to be MLB regulars, for the top starter on the market. Once they decided to keep Ohtani they had to make this kind of move.

At one point the Brewers gave up Matt LaPorta for CC Sabathia and it turned into one of the most fun rides in team history. Maybe the Angels miss the playoffs, but their fans having a couple more months of the best player ever isn't a small thing.

Edgar Quero is a pretty legit prospect. In the end it's bad management of assets. I get not faulting them from an optics standpoint but the smart move is to get a return for an asset you probably cannot retain.

LittleRooster · Post #603 » by **LittleRooster** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:43 pm

wichmae wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I can't really fault the Angels on this one. They gave up two prospects, neither looking like locks to be MLB regulars, for the top starter on the market. Once they decided to keep Ohtani they had to make this kind of move.

At one point the Brewers gave up Matt LaPorta for CC Sabathia and it turned into one of the most fun rides in team history. Maybe the Angels miss the playoffs, but their fans having a couple more months of the best player ever isn't a small thing.

Edgar Quero is a pretty legit prospect. In the end it's bad management of assets. I get not faulting them from an optics standpoint but the smart move is to get a return for an asset you probably cannot retain.

Absolutely. I’d be pissed if I was an angels fan

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Post #604 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:53 pm

Law sums up my position perfectly.

The Angels probably should trade Shohei Ohtani, at least from a baseball perspective, but who among us could really criticize them for going for it in Ohtani’s walk year, acquiring two pitchers from the White Sox for two prospects.

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Of course the Angels could have traded Ohtani last winter for a king’s ransom, and maybe could have gotten a prince’s ransom or at least a viscount’s ransom if they traded him right now. The baseball argument there is pretty straightforward – they’re on the outside of the playoff picture looking in right now, and have to pass multiple teams to make the playoffs, whether for the division title or a wild-card spot. Trading Ohtani could bring back several young pieces to build a stronger contender. I’m usually just the person to make that argument, but not in this case.

This is probably the Angels’ best chance to make the playoffs since they signed Ohtani, and I do think it says something to the players and the fans that they’re deciding to go for it one last time before he leaves in free agency. Maybe it helps convince him to re-sign. Maybe it just gets more fans in the park for the last two months. If they get even a single playoff series out of it, I think it’ll have been worth it, given their long drought and the sense that they’ve wasted the peaks of two of the greatest players in MLB history. It’s a trade that makes sense for both teams, even if the White Sox probably end up winning on paper when Quero has a solid career as a big leaguer.

Post #605 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:27 pm

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Angels are gonna ride this dude so hard over the next two months.

Kerb Hohl · Post #606 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:29 pm

Yeah, for the record: Odds are it is going to be a stupid trade deadline for the Angels. But I'm cheering for it to work out for fun.

Ron Swanson · Post #607 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:10 pm

And then he followed it up with 2 HR's in the second game of the double-header. What an absolute Freak.

Post #608 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Jul 29, 2023 9:41 pm

Scherzer to Texas if he agrees to go.

Thunder Muscle · Post #609 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:18 pm

Can somebody besides the Brewers please beat the Reds? Good lord.

Matches Malone · Post #610 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:07 am

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Brewster · Post #611 » by **Brewster** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:53 am

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Dodgers, Angels, Rangers, and Astros just trading for whoever they want. I wish the Brewers was a big market team sometimes.

Kerb Hohl · Post #612 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:09 am

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Dodgers, Angels, Rangers, and Astros just trading for whoever they want. I wish the Brewers was a big market team sometimes.

That helps - but it's very possible that we will look back in 2030 and between 2010 and 2030 the Brewers will have 10 playoff appearances and the Angels will have maybe 1.

This is their last chance and it's not looking that great. Unless they make some magic after signing Ohtani this offseason, they're going to suck for at least another 5 years even with Ohtani and Trout.

Also - Cron isn't very good. Grichuk is OK.

wichmae · Post #613 » by **wichmae** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:38 pm

Cleveland got Manzardo for Civale. Hell of a return for Civale.

Brewster · Post #614 » by **Brewster** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:17 pm

wichmae wrote:Cleveland got Manzardo for Civale. Hell of a return for Civale.

Seeing some of these prospect being traded, I wish we were selling. All I know is we better make the playoffs and play well in the playoffs.

Post #615 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:20 pm

They won't sell, but man, they'd bring back a truck load in this market.

wichmae · Post #616 » by **wichmae** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:22 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:They won't sell, but man, they'd bring back a truck load in this market.

The returns would be insane.

wichmae · Post #617 » by **wichmae** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:44 pm

Leave it to Seattle to make a very weird/confusing trade.

Post #618 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:45 pm

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wichmae · Post #619 » by **wichmae** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 11:20 pm

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Made is the prize here for me. Reminds me a little of Yuni B with a much better glove.

Post #620 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 12:02 am

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