Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

[zoyathedestroya]

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JB-stan trolling in response to the Zach Lowe quote of an executive asking if the Cs are really paying their "3rd, 4th, 5th best guy (based on analytics)" that amount of money.

That's not a real ranking obvy.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

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That Jokic number is bananas

And if he signs it in 2026, he'll be 31 then. Extension will kick in when he's 32 and it's a 5 yr extension so he'll be on that massive contract still at age 37 - yikes.

Definitely a yikes but, if he progresses with a Kareem like arc of health to viability ratio that deal isn't horrible

[Ed Pinkney]

That Jokic number is bananas

And if he signs it in 2026, he'll be 31 then. Extension will kick in when he's 32 and it's a 5 yr extension so he'll be on that massive contract still at age 37 - yikes.

Definitely a yikes but, if he progresses with a Kareem like arc of health to viability ratio that deal isn't horrible

I know there is zero percent chance of this actually happening, but Jokic is a bit of a different cat and I wouldn't be surprised if did something weird like signing with a Serbian second division team for the minimum.

[MaxwellSmart]

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The energy has shifted. Hope no one was harmed.

Bricks?....I thought Marcus was in Memphis

[zoyathedestroya]

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[chrisab123]

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So the Celtics aren't doomed after all. Lol

So if you pay your stars instead of a bunch of role players you'll win? Well...damn

[zoyathedestroya]

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So the Celtics aren't doomed after all. Lol

So if you pay your stars instead of a bunch of role players you'll win? Well...damn

Well obviously graphic only shows teams that won the title. For every team that paid their stars and won the title, there are at least a dozen who didn’t. It’s weird that guy even posted such a graphic since almost every team trying to contend have at least two or three stars who get paid big money.

Question’s always been are you paying the right stars. Gobert, Towns, Tobias, Simmons, Wall, Beal, etc. I could go on and on naming players who got the bag but didn’t win the chip for their team.

In Cs case, they kinda had no choice but to give JB the supermax considering the alternatives. (The time to move him was last offseason.) Time will tell if the Jays bring a title to Boston or they get broken up before JB’s contract ends.

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Is it crazy to wonder if Alec Burks gets waived? Detroit has a ton of guards and not sure how you play all those guys - Cunningham, Ivey, Thompson, M. Morris (why did they trade for him?), Sasser, Joe Harris, k. Hayes.

We talked about him a bit last year but that kind of versatile guy is what they need imo - someone who doesn’t need to be great but has the size and skills to cover a broad range of needs depending on circumstances.

I mean, Javonte Green is going to dunk it more and is prob more fun but Burks is prob the better player.

[zoyathedestroya]

New CBA puts even more weight on your top stars to outperform their salary (and stay healthy/durable) since it’s harder to build depth. It puts more pressure on guys like Tatum (and lesser extent JB) to really become top top tier guys who show up consistently in the postseason.

Having a coach and system who brings out the most out of scrubbies also helps apart from topnotch talent scouting.

[zoyathedestroya]

Is it crazy to wonder if Alec Burks gets waived? Detroit has a ton of guards and not sure how you play all those guys - Cunningham, Ivey, Thompson, M. Morris (why did they trade for him?), Sasser, Joe Harris, k. Hayes.

We talked about him a bit last year but that kind of versatile guy is what they need imo - someone who doesn’t need to be great but has the size and skills to cover a broad range of needs depending on circumstances.

I mean, Javonte Green is going to dunk it more and is prob more fun but Burks is prob the better player.

Would be odd if they waived him preseason. They could’ve easily just not guaranteed his contract for this season if he wasn’t in their plans. Maybe they want a vet presence amongst their very young roster esp if they move Bogdanovic. Maybe they intend to trade him midseason? If they can’t find a deal they waive him then. Cs can’t acquire him if they go over second apron.

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Is it crazy to wonder if Alec Burks gets waived? Detroit has a ton of guards and not sure how you play all those guys - Cunningham, Ivey, Thompson, M. Morris (why did they trade for him?), Sasser, Joe Harris, k. Hayes.

We talked about him a bit last year but that kind of versatile guy is what they need imo - someone who doesn’t need to be great but has the size and skills to cover a broad range of needs depending on circumstances.

I mean, Javonte Green is going to dunk it more and is prob more fun but Burks is prob the better player.

Would be odd if they waived him preseason. They could’ve easily just not guaranteed his contract for this season if he wasn’t in their plans. Maybe they want a vet presence amongst their very young roster esp if they move Bogdanovic. Maybe they intend to trade him midseason? If they can’t find a deal they waive him then. Cs can’t acquire him if they go over second apron.

Yeah good point on the non-gtd aspect. Perhaps tho they thought he’d be a trade asset and then just couldn’t find a good deal due to his $. If so it would be akin to Gallo getting waived - a good depth vet on a tanking team they let free to find the option they’d prefer.

Prob not but a guy with good versatility like that would be the right fit for what they have in place.

[steefP2]

They picked up burks his option no ? Pretty sure I read that. Even if they haven’t; they 100% will.

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They picked up burks his option no ? Pretty sure I read that. Even if they haven’t; they 100% will.

They did - counter point being that they did zack zip with all their cap space so it wasn’t a really consequential decision for them.

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No surprise, Balcerowski (who played for our SL team) is staying overseas..

Perhaps with another year of development overseas and competing against good competition in the EuroLeague - and then he may end up on an NBA roster for the 24-25 season. We'll see..

[snowman]

Please forgive me but this is what happens when I can't fall asleep.

How would you guys feel about trading PP for a 2nd round pick to get off hi 4+ mil salary, then using that salary, combined with what we have left under the 2nd apron to sign TJ Warren, Moses Brown and John Wall?

According to Spotrac, we are 3.368.493 mil under the 2nd apron, but that does not include Walsh's salary yet. (It won't be applied to our cap until Aug 1st). When it does apply, we will be 2,268,563 under the 2nd apron. Then we release Champagnie, since he is not guaranteed at this point. (Neither is Banton, but his salary is included since he was just signed, and he will be guaranteed)

Then we trade Pritchard (4,037,088) for a pick (no salary coming back). That would make us 6,306,158 under the 2nd apron. Then according to RealGM :

"When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, 10-day or Rest-of-Season contract at the minimum salary, the league reimburses the team for part of his salary -- any amount above the minimum salary for a two-year veteran. For example, the minimum salary for a two-year veteran in 2017-18 is $1,471,382, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $2,328,652, the league would reimburse the team $857,270. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive than younger veterans."

Which means we could sign any vet player that has been in the league at least three years to a one-year minimum salary deal, and it would only count 2,019,706 (this year's two-year veteran salary) against our cap.

After Pritchard trade: 6,306,158 under 2nd apron
sign TJ Warren 1 yr min 2,019,706
4,286,452 under 2nd apron
sign Moses Brown 1 yr min 2,019,706
2,269,746 under 2nd apron
sign John Wall 1 yr min 2,019,746
247,040 under 2nd apron

updated roster
White, Brown, Tatum, RW3, Porzingis
Brogdon, Hauser, TJ Warren, Brissette, Horford
Wall, Banton, Walsh, M. Brown, Kornet

What do you think? We also could switch any of the three I named, as long as they would agree to play for a one-year minimum deal.

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Please forgive me but this is what happens when I can't fall asleep.

How would you guys feel about trading PP for a 2nd round pick to get off hi 4+ mil salary, then using that salary, combined with what we have left under the 2nd apron to sign TJ Warren, Moses Brown and John Wall?

According to Spotrac, we are 3.368.493 mil under the 2nd apron, but that does not include Walsh's salary yet. (It won't be applied to our cap until Aug 1st). When it does apply, we will be 2,268,563 under the 2nd apron. Then we release Champagnie, since he is not guaranteed at this point. (Neither is Banton, but his salary is included since he was just signed, and he will be guaranteed)

Then we trade Pritchard (4,037,088) for a pick (no salary coming back). That would make us 6,306,158 under the 2nd apron. Then according to RealGM :

"When a player has been in the NBA for three or more seasons, and is playing under a one-year, 10-day or Rest-of-Season contract at the minimum salary, the league reimburses the team for part of his salary -- any amount above the minimum salary for a two-year veteran. For example, the minimum salary for a two-year veteran in 2017-18 is $1,471,382, so for a ten-year veteran, with a minimum salary of $2,328,652, the league would reimburse the team $857,270. Only the two-year minimum salary is included in the team salary, not the player's full salary. They do this so teams won't shy away from signing older veterans simply because they are more expensive than younger veterans."

Which means we could sign any vet player that has been in the league at least three years to a one-year minimum salary deal, and it would only count 2,019,706 (this year's two-year veteran salary) against our cap.

After Pritchard trade: 6,306,158 under 2nd apron
sign TJ Warren 1 yr min 2,019,706
4,286,452 under 2nd apron
sign Moses Brown 1 yr min 2,019,706
2,269,746 under 2nd apron
sign John Wall 1 yr min 2,019,746
247,040 under 2nd apron

updated roster
White, Brown, Tatum, RW3, Porzingis
Brogdon, Hauser, TJ Warren, Brissette, Horford
Wall, Banton, Walsh, M. Brown, Kornet

What do you think? We also could switch any of the three I named, as long as they would agree to play for a one-year minimum deal.

I'm sure that is a scenario Brad and staff have at least kicked around.

And I'm not totally against it. A lot depends on how much Wall and Warren have left in the tank. Both have injury concerns. Neither is a very good defender. Clippers didn't want to bring Wall back and Phoenix didn't want to bring Warren back, which is a little bit of a red flag.

I'm also not sure how realistic it is, since there's just so many things that need to happen and fall in to place.

-Find a team that actually wants Pritchard and will give us a pick in exchange for him
-Get Warren, Brown AND Wall to agree to sign here, even though they could maybe get more $ and/or more playing time for a different team. And who knows, maybe some of those guys don't like Boston because of the cold weather, maybe they sign somewhere else because they've got buddies on a different team. And yeah, we got could maybe sign a different FA instead like you said, but my point is it's hard to get *three* quality free agents to sign with you this late in the offseason

I just think making all 4 of these moves is tough this late in the offseason when most teams pretty much have their rosters set (with the exception of 1 or 2 end of the bench guys, exhibit 10's, 2-way signings..

Lastly, if we did this - that would mean that we signed *five* free agents this offseason (Brissett, Banton, Brown, Wall, Warren). I'm not sure that is realistic. Most teams don't sign that many free agents in a single offseason. Especially teams that are already contenders (those teams for the most part run it back, perhaps bring in 1 or 2 new faces).

Last offseason, we only signed 2 free agents (not counting training camp deals, exhibit 10's, 2-ways) and that was Gallo and Griffin. Year before (Brad's first offseason as GM) he only signed 2 free agents (Schroder and Freedom). 2 seems to be the magic number of free agents for Brad. So signing 5 would probably be a reach. I can see us maybe signing 1 more FA - which would make 3, but Banton is only on a partially guaranteed contract. Plus (assuming Champagnie is waived) that leaves 2 open roster spots. I think we sign a FA for 1 of them and the 15th spot either leave it open or have some exhibit 10 guys compete for it in training camp.

[celtxman]

Brad Stevens at Summer League, "we need to finish the roster right. "
He was not referring to signing Brown and it isn't about guys like Javonte Green whom he could have already signed. He passed on players making $4.6 million per like Jalen McDaniels and Josh Richardson who would have definitely helped and I don't think it was just about the 2nd apron.
IMO there is something more happening. Whether it's a player they is waiting for a certain date he can be traded or something bigger, this is not about a free agent minimum player who they would have snapped up alreqdy.

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Looks like Baynes is in good shape, but will play another season over in Australia..

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Even if we were interested, I can see why he would want to be the starting center over there, instead of 4th big over here.

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Brad Stevens at Summer League, "we need to finish the roster right. "
He was not referring to signing Brown and it isn't about guys like Javonte Green whom he could have already signed. He passed on players making $4.6 million per like Jalen McDaniels and Josh Richardson who would have definitely helped and I don't think it was just about the 2nd apron.
IMO there is something more happening. Whether it's a player they is waiting for a certain date he can be traded or something bigger, this is not about a free agent minimum player who they would have snapped up alreqdy.

You might be right.

But I think there's also a chance you're reading too deeply into an off the cuff quote by Brad. I mean, "we need to finish the roster right" could mean pretty much anything. It's extremely vague, so probably not worth trying to decipher it.

And it's also best to not read too deeply into what GM's say anyways. Brad is stealth, he doesn't want to tip his hand, which would result in losing leverage when negotiating with other team's GMs. Or if it gets out there that he is interested in a certain player or a certain type of player, then perhaps another team will then jump on that player and snatch them from under our nose.

I mean, he told Marcus he was safe, and then traded him a week later. The warriors GM said publicly that Jordan Poole would be there long term, and then he was traded right after that. GM's are like politicians - they lie a lot.

Lastly, I'm not sure I agree with the notion that we're not gonna sign a FA like Javonte because if we were, we would have done it by now. I mean, we signed Griffin right before training camp last year. Things change, and evolve over the course of the offseason. Who knows, maybe Javonte (or Danny Green or whoever) is waiting to see if he gets a better offer from another team. Maybe Javonte was in limbo with the Bulls because he was waiting to see whether they were gonna resign Dosunmo. And Brad is waiting to see if a better player agrees to sign with us - or waiting to see if a Brogdon/Pritchard deal ends up happening - or perhaps the JB extension held things up before and now that that's done, now Brad could sign that player that he would have signed earlier.

It seems like we've hit a point in the offseason where not much is happening. Front office execs are probably taking vacations, and then we'll start to see some more FA signings, exhibit 10's and 2-way slots filled in august/september.

Who knows, "finishing out the roster right" could absolutely mean just adding adding 1 more decent role player on a minimum contract. Someone to add some depth and be a good locker room guy.

[Celts17Pride]

Brad Stevens at Summer League, "we need to finish the roster right. "
He was not referring to signing Brown and it isn't about guys like Javonte Green whom he could have already signed. He passed on players making $4.6 million per like Jalen McDaniels and Josh Richardson who would have definitely helped and I don't think it was just about the 2nd apron.
IMO there is something more happening. Whether it's a player they is waiting for a certain date he can be traded or something bigger, this is not about a free agent minimum player who they would have snapped up alreqdy.

Everyone knows I've been saying this all summer, I think Brogdon is eventually moved.

I highly doubt the Celtics keep White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Banton. I think one of them gets moved and I think it's going to be Brogdon once player restrictions end for players on other teams. Another thing, whether you like the player or not there were rumors from Mark Jones (respected NBA Sac TV guy) that the Celtics had strong interest in Terence Davis. Davis would probably require the MLE which the Celtics can't use without moving salary. Terence Davis has not signed with anyone.

Last week, Celtics came out strong to other teams that Brogdon was not available. Could be true but it also could be because they have another deal in place and are waiting for restrictions to be lifted. Wouldn't surprise me if Brogdon is traded for a player(s) and a draft pick and then the Celtics sign someone like Terence Davis.

or the Celtics are not moving Brogdon. We all just have to wait and see.