Little Swaggy: The Kelly Oubre Jr Thread

[Rich4114]

Kelly is the nickelback of this board lol. He isn't a top 5 player on our team, but man he is far from the worst.

Ranks within team
Vorp 6th
Raptor 3rd
EPM 5th (Dunks&3s)
PER 5th
Estimated Wins - 7th (Dunks&3s)

You ever hear of garbage time stats? That was Kelly for a majority of our season.

[JMAC3]

Kelly is the nickelback of this board lol. He isn't a top 5 player on our team, but man he is far from the worst.

Ranks within team
Vorp 6th
Raptor 3rd
EPM 5th (Dunks&3s)
PER 5th
Estimated Wins - 7th (Dunks&3s)

You ever hear of garbage time stats? That was Kelly for a majority of our season.

Yeah, never heard of garbage time advanced stats lol.

[Snidely FC]

My objection to Oubre is he blocks playing time of young players. They may not be entirely ready but does Oubre move the needle getting past the playin game? No. Does it make sense to draft Miller Bouknight McGowens Nick Jr Bailey then sign Oubre to block them? No. So give every minute that would go to Kelly Oubre on the wing to Brandon Miller and Nick Jr. Let’s see what they got.

[yosemiteben]

More interesting question - who would you rather have if it came down to it, Oubre or Christian Wood?

[SWedd523]

Wood, pretty damn easily assuming the price is similar.

Any minute Oubre gets in a Charlotte uniform is a minute wasted, since Miller exists.

Wood is another empty stats-low impact guy, but he at least is a big and brings something different to the table from Mark and Nick. He'd honestly be an intriguing backup option at the 4/5

[Rich4114]

More interesting question - who would you rather have if it came down to it, Oubre or Christian Wood?

I guess Oubre

[LofJ]

I'd also take Wood over Oubre. We don't currently have a stretch big on the roster. Kai should be that guy, but it's still a bad shot for him.

[Rich4114]

Wood is a major liability on defense which to me, is more difficult to overcome when it's a big. It's why guys like Rishaun Holmes don't play. Skilled offensively though. IDK, I'd rather have neither on this roster and I certainly wouldn't want to replace PJ with Wood.

[JDR720]

Kelly is the nickelback of this board lol. He isn't a top 5 player on our team, but man he is far from the worst.

Ranks within team
Vorp 6th
Raptor 3rd
EPM 5th (Dunks&3s)
PER 5th
Estimated Wins - 7th (Dunks&3s)

Why should we pay 15+ million to keep the 6-7th best player on the team?

People generally don't want Oubre back (unless it's a 1yr deal) because his skillset doesn't lead to wins. Mediocre to bad defense. Streaky shooting. Can't pass at all.

He doesn't have a role on a good team. He's 1-dimensional. His only + skill is volume scoring. That could be useful on certain teams, but not this one where he is, at best, the 4th option.

[JMAC3]

Kelly is the nickelback of this board lol. He isn't a top 5 player on our team, but man he is far from the worst.

Ranks within team
Vorp 6th
Raptor 3rd
EPM 5th (Dunks&3s)
PER 5th
Estimated Wins - 7th (Dunks&3s)

Why should we pay 15+ million to keep the 6-7th best player on the team?

People generally don't want Oubre back (unless it's a 1yr deal) because his skillset doesn't lead to wins. Mediocre to bad defense. Streaky shooting. Can't pass at all.

He doesn't have a role on a good team. He's 1-dimensional. His only + skill is volume scoring. That could be useful on certain teams, but not this one where he is, at best, the 4th option.

Who is on the board asking to give him some crazy multi year deal?
I have yet to see one.

Way things are looking you guys might want to start to get ready for another year of tanking.
We have the lowest payroll in the NBA and you think we are too good to give a 20 ppg scorer a 1 year deal?
We have no depth, we are 1 injury away from having to count on McGowens or Thor playing 25+ Mpg.
Trading Rozier or Hayward unless we are getting someone back as good makes us significantly worse as that means NSJ or McGowens are the replacement. Again would be a massive tank trade without a solid backup.

Oubre has played 5th and 4th most minutes for us the past 2 years... yet we are going to act like that he is worse right now then McGowens, Bouk, Nsj, Thor, Kai.... again if you are fine giving minutes to those guys then we might as well start thinking about tanking over playoffs.

[Rich4114]

Kelly is the nickelback of this board lol. He isn't a top 5 player on our team, but man he is far from the worst.

Ranks within team
Vorp 6th
Raptor 3rd
EPM 5th (Dunks&3s)
PER 5th
Estimated Wins - 7th (Dunks&3s)

Why should we pay 15+ million to keep the 6-7th best player on the team?

People generally don't want Oubre back (unless it's a 1yr deal) because his skillset doesn't lead to wins. Mediocre to bad defense. Streaky shooting. Can't pass at all.

He doesn't have a role on a good team. He's 1-dimensional. His only + skill is volume scoring. That could be useful on certain teams, but not this one where he is, at best, the 4th option.

Who is on the board asking to give him some crazy multi year deal?
I have yet to see one.

Way things are looking you guys might want to start to get ready for another year of tanking.
We have the lowest payroll in the NBA and you think we are too good to give a 20 ppg scorer a 1 year deal?
We have no depth, we are 1 injury away from having to count on McGowens or Thor playing 25+ Mpg.
Trading Rozier or Hayward unless we are getting someone back as good makes us significantly worse as that means NSJ or McGowens are the replacement. Again would be a massive tank trade without a solid backup.

Oubre has played 5th and 4th most minutes for us the past 2 years... yet we are going to act like that he is worse right now then McGowens, Bouk, Nsj, Thor, Kai.... again if you are fine giving minutes to those guys then we might as well start thinking about tanking over playoffs.

I see your points, I just think the addition we ought to make in terms of experienced players is someone else as opposed to Kelly or Wood. That player may not be a free agent, they may need to be acquired via trade. Going in as-is, is very risky

[SWedd523]

Are you saying Oubre being here or not changes the outlook from playoffs to tanking?

Damn, I guess every other team in the league is crazy for not signing him.

[JMAC3]

Are you saying Oubre being here or not changes the outlook from playoffs to tanking?

Damn, I guess every other team in the league is crazy for not signing him.

If it means playing him or Bouknight/McGowens then yes.

Do you think either one of them are better than Oubre?

[SWedd523]

None of them are having a positive impact.

It's not a question of Bouknight or McGowens either. I live in a world where Miller exists.

[JMAC3]

None of them are having a positive impact.

It's not a question of Bouknight or McGowens either. I live in a world where Miller exists.

Oubre has the advanced metrics that show he is better than a replacement player. Again Nickelback effect.

Even with our current team if 1 injury happens there will be minutes available for Miller and Oubre. That is how poor our actual depth is. Which makes sense because we haven't spent any money.

[SWedd523]

None of them are having a positive impact.

It's not a question of Bouknight or McGowens either. I live in a world where Miller exists.

Oubre has the advanced metrics that show he is better than a replacement player. Again Nickelback effect.

Then it's puzzling that the only news I've found about him lately is that his second child was born. If not for the Hornets, he might not be in the league next year.

Even with our current team if 1 injury happens there will be minutes available for Miller and Oubre. That is how poor our actual depth is. Which makes sense because we haven't spent any money.

As it currently stands, Oubre should be the 4th or 5th wing next year (Miles, Hayward, Miller, and Twin).

I don't think they're hurting to give your guy a contract.


Maybe the Taichung Suns are looking for some new blood

[LofJ]

One of the first things I thought of after we drafted Miller was that there was no way we'd bring Oubre back now. Miller plays a winning style of basketball and he can do everything (and more) that Oubre can do on both ends of the court. I don't even want to think about the possibility of this team giving Oubre another contract and Miller getting glued to the bench.

[JMAC3]

I really don't feel like doing this for the 100th time. If you guys need a whipping boy to blame everything on then let it be Oubre lol.

Legit don't want to see a negative post all year if we are playing Mcgowens, Leaky Black or Bouknight minutes throughout the year.

Better hope during the 40 games Hayward misses the rest of the team is 100% healthy.

[fatlever]

i'd rather sign svi for vet min if we need a 5th wing to protect against bryce, black, bouk mins

[JMAC3]

i'd rather sign svi for vet min if we need a 5th wing to protect against bryce, black, bouk mins

Makes sense, sign the worse player even though we have the cap space.... but yeah goal is to make the playoffs.