Little Swaggy: The Kelly Oubre Jr Thread

[SWedd523]

Shades of Lin fans all over again

[JMAC3]

Shades of Lin fans all over again

How? lol because I would rather sign the better player?
Oubre is a consensus top 5 FA left.
You act like I am championing for this guy to be a starter or player over Miller lol.

You are basically saying you would rather play worse players then sign Oubre. Why? You really hate this man that much? It is wild.

[SWedd523]

Shades of Lin fans all over again

How? lol because I would rather sign the better player?
Oubre is a consensus top 5 FA left.
You act like I am championing for this guy to be a starter or player over Miller lol.

You are basically saying you would rather play worse players then sign Oubre. Why? You really hate this man that much? It is wild.

When all of the good players are gone, yes, there's going to be a FiVe BeSt.

Again, nobody has signed him, still. He's not good. He's not helping teams win games. You'd think a team like the Clippers or Lakers or Suns or whomever would love to have a guy as good as you think he is.

He's still hanging out though...

[JMAC3]

Shades of Lin fans all over again

How? lol because I would rather sign the better player?
Oubre is a consensus top 5 FA left.
You act like I am championing for this guy to be a starter or player over Miller lol.

You are basically saying you would rather play worse players then sign Oubre. Why? You really hate this man that much? It is wild.

When all of the good players are gone, yes, there's going to be a FiVe BeSt.

Again, nobody has signed him, still. He's not good. He's not helping teams win games. You'd think a team like the Clippers or Lakers or Suns or whomever would love to have a guy as good as you think he is.

He's still hanging out though...

Regardless of if it is because other guys are signed, why would you want to sign a worse player?

You do realize that free agency doesn't work like that right? Is PJ an awful player too because he is unsigned? Do the Lakers or Clippers not want him either lol. I am sure Oubre has offers, but he is hoping to sign for more. Is Christian Wood worse then every other player that has already signed too? Obviously there are levels to FA so you trying to dumb it down to prove a point really doesn't hold weight.

[fatlever]

i'd rather sign svi for vet min if we need a 5th wing to protect against bryce, black, bouk mins

Makes sense, sign the worse player even though we have the cap space.... but yeah goal is to make the playoffs.

1. do you think oubre is going to be ok as the 5th wing who gets dnp on nights when we are healthy?
2. for what we need and what we can offer in terms of role, i don't agree that kelly is better fit than svi
3. what are chances we could use the extra cap space to help take back a larger salary in a consolidation trade for a vet, like kai or bouk for delon, just random example?

[SWedd523]

Regardless of if it is because other guys are signed, why would you want to sign a worse player?

Are you asking me that, or every GM in the entire NBA?

You do realize that free agency doesn't work like that right? Is PJ an awful player too because he is unsigned? Do the Lakers or Clippers not want him either lol.

I wonder if there is anything different between their free agency status? I thought there was, but I can't quite put my RFA-inger on it.

I am sure Oubre has offers, but he is hoping to sign for more. Is Christian Wood worse then every other player that has already signed too? Obviously there are levels to FA so you trying to dumb it down to prove a point really doesn't hold weight.

Neither one plays a winning brand of basketball so it doesn't surprise me in the least that neither one has been prioritized by smart GMs.

[JMAC3]

i'd rather sign svi for vet min if we need a 5th wing to protect against bryce, black, bouk mins

Makes sense, sign the worse player even though we have the cap space.... but yeah goal is to make the playoffs.

1. do you think oubre is going to be ok as the 5th wing who gets dnp on nights when we are healthy?
2. for what we need and what we can offer in terms of role, i don't agree that kelly is better fit than svi
3. what are chances we could use the extra cap space to help take back a larger salary in a consolidation trade for a vet, like kai or bouk for delon, just random example?

Where are we getting the 5th wing from?
Currently Martin is going to have to play majority of his minutes at the 2 unless you are going to give NSJ or McGowens regular minutes. Miles and Thor are the only 4s on the team, don't think Miles is going to log many minutes at the 3 as of right now.
So that leaves Hayward and Miller to hold down the majority of mins at the 3. Better hope Martin and Hayward both play 65+ games each.

Oubre is a better NBA player than Svi. So yeah, if the goal is to make the playoffs it is a no brainer who we should sign.

Not going to hold my breath for a Delon Wright deal, he is the current #2 pg for them after they already traded Monte, traded Goodwin and still haven't resigned Nunn.

[fatlever]

even dumb gms are avoiding both. you cant win with selfish low iq chuckers who dont defend. its pretty basic.

[JMAC3]

Regardless of if it is because other guys are signed, why would you want to sign a worse player?

Are you asking me that, or every GM in the entire NBA?

You do realize that free agency doesn't work like that right? Is PJ an awful player too because he is unsigned? Do the Lakers or Clippers not want him either lol.

I wonder if there is anything different between their free agency status? I thought there was, but I can't quite put my RFA-inger on it.

I am sure Oubre has offers, but he is hoping to sign for more. Is Christian Wood worse then every other player that has already signed too? Obviously there are levels to FA so you trying to dumb it down to prove a point really doesn't hold weight.

Neither one plays a winning brand of basketball so it doesn't surprise me in the least that neither one has been prioritized by smart GMs.

So sign nobody, have bad depth, the lowest payroll in the NBA and 40 games into the year be shocked we aren't in the playoff mix....

I mean I am sure it is fine, it is not like one of our guys missed the whole season for injury, another is suspended 10 games and another can't play over 45 games.

No need for depth. Just play McGowens, Thor and Miller 30 mpg and land another top 7 pick. Hands in.

[SWedd523]

So sign nobody, have bad depth, the lowest payroll in the NBA and 40 games into the year be shocked we aren't in the playoff mix....

Or sign Kelly, the team wins the exact same amount of games, with the only difference being he steals minutes from Miller.

[SWedd523]

I mean sure, if dude wants to sign like a 1/5 or something to take the 10-15 minutes going to the end of the bench guys then cool.

I'm not paying Oubre $10mil+ just because I'm feeling charitable and he's a man dime.

This team will never be successful giving Kelly the minutes he and you want. Sorry bro, your hero isn't winning ball games.

[fatlever]

are we arguing the defintion of wings now? smh... regardless of position oubre is behind the following players in the rotation
melo
terry
gordon
miles
mark
miller
cody
pj
nick
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at best that makes him 10th man who could see minutes...

of guys who are at 2/3 which he'd be competing for mins, he would be 6th
terry
gordon
miles, when he play sf
cody
miller

remaining free agents i'd sign over kelly
biz - love his leadsership for this team, even if he never plays a minute, but he saves us from kai minutes
svi - 40% from 3 who will ok with limited role, can play stretch 4 if needed, bigger need than another 2/3
ross - like kelly, but i'd gamble that he might be a hair better defender, more reliable 3pt
jamychal - a big who can shoot is bigger need
diallo - maybe cliff can turn him into a defensive wing
wall - why not
danny green - purely for vet leadership
griffin - vet leadership
g hill - vet leadership
Ntilikina - role plarer poa defender
taj - vet leader, cliff type player if there ever was one
tristan - vet leader

[amcoolio]

Without a doubt Svi is better than Oubre. I don't want to see Oubre play another minute of basketball again, regardless of its my team or not

[JDR720]

Oubre can carry your offense if he is hot.

But if you need Oubre to carry your offense, odds are you do not have a good team. Like us last year. He averaged 20pts...on 17 shots.

He doesn't have a diverse skillset or do anything well enough to be a reliable role-player. What does he do if he isn't one of the main scoring options?

Martin is a good defender.
DSJ was a good defender.
Svi is a good 3pt specialist (provides spacing even if he doesn't get many shots)
PJ is a good 3&D player.
Gordon can do a bit of everything.
Nick is a good rebounder.
etc.

Oubre doesn't have anything else to fall back on. The most similar player, not counting rookies or deep bench players, on the team is Rozier. But at least he is a solid ball handler.

[GoBobs]

Oubre can carry your offense if he is hot.

But if you need Oubre to carry your offense, odds are you do not have a good team. Like us last year. He averaged 20pts...on 17 shots.

He doesn't have a diverse skillset or do anything well enough to be a reliable role-player. What does he do if he isn't one of the main scoring options?

Martin is a good defender.
DSJ was a good defender.
Svi is a good 3pt specialist (provides spacing even if he doesn't get many shots)
PJ is a good 3&D player.
Gordon can do a bit of everything.
Nick is a good rebounder.
etc.

Oubre doesn't have anything else to fall back on. The most similar player, not counting rookies or deep bench players, on the team is Rozier. But at least he is a solid ball handler.

He led the team in steals per game last year (tied with DSJ). He also had a better rebound rate than PJ Washington and JT Thor. That is pretty good for a player that can be slotted in at sg or sf.

JT Thor is actually the guy that secretly isn't especially good at anything.

[JMAC3]

I mean sure, if dude wants to sign like a 1/5 or something to take the 10-15 minutes going to the end of the bench guys then cool.

I'm not paying Oubre $10mil+ just because I'm feeling charitable and he's a man dime.

This team will never be successful giving Kelly the minutes he and you want. Sorry bro, your hero isn't winning ball games.

I love how because I don't think Oubre is the worst player in the league that he is now my hero. The fact that I think he is better than Svi (who just signed to play in Greece) makes me some sort of outcast is hilarious.

Literally I am saying we should sign him to a 2/20 with a team option with the thought that he might be a trade piece at the deadline. Or give us insurance in case we decide to move Terry or Hayward.
Or instead of having 20+ million in cap space, just spend the money on a rotation talent to give us injury insurance if we are truly hellbent on making the playoffs.

[Rich4114]

This thread has become irrational. Oubre is not as bad as most make him out to be but I also definitely see why he's still unsigned and likely not going to be re-signed by us. Oubre is low efficiency high volume scoring but on a good day could be 6th man of the year caliber. The main issue is his fit with this roster. He cannot be on the court with guys like Terry, NSJ, Bouk and help. You can only survive with one low IQ chucker playing big mins per game and since the other 3 are under contract, we're covered in that department.

[Chapelchilla]

LOL, this thread is over the top. Oubre is fine as 9-10th man specialist 3pt shooter and driver type for 10 minutes a game when we need baskets in a hurry. Most nights he shouldn't play much. If he wants that role for a cheap price (like under 5 million) it's OK to have him.

[Diop]

I just don’t want him on the team, he is going to chuck up shots I’d rather others take. I’m not surprised his steal stats are ok as he will go for the risky steal instead of concentrating on staying in front of his man.

In regards to Svi, he was a better 3pt shooter and better at keeping the ball moving, that’s why I would have preferred him as a role player

Let him go to a veteran team as a scoring punch

[amcoolio]

This thread has become irrational. Oubre is not as bad as most make him out to be

He is a negative player. In his career, he's never had a positive RPM for any season. That's insane! Simply not having him on the team means more points and wins. We need to rid ourselves of players like that.

He would have been signed by now as a long, big, lengthy wing who can shoot the 3 if he was anything above zero, but he isn't