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Fotis St · Post #1601 » by **Fotis St** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:47 pm

The poster FlagsFlyForever who mentioned Henson and us looking as the 2nd best team ... reminded the love for Henson some had here those days ... stats were showing that Henson was the 2nd best Rim protector in the League, really close to No1 Rudy Gobert.

Similar happens with Brook Lopez ... even more exaggerated with the drop scheme...

These people who think Henson and Brook are top defenders don't understand that Giannis has both Gravity on offense and AntiGravity on Defense.

Why nobody even thinks about it, I don't know.
Giannis defensive Antigravity has offered Brook Lopez 20+ M per year contract and 1st/2nd team all defense awards

Post #1602 » by **Prez** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:53 pm

Does Giannis’ “antigravity” on defense extend to when he’s on the bench and Lopez is on the floor without him?

Because when you filter out any Mamu/Nwora minutes, we had a 107.8 DRTG in minutes with Brook on court *without* Giannis this past year, in a 1000+ minute sample. To put that into perspective the #1 D in the league was 109.9 DRTG.

Ron Swanson · Post #1603 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:11 pm

Prez wrote:Does Giannis’ “antigravity” on defense extend to when he’s on the bench and Lopez is on the floor without him?

Because when you filter out any Mamu/Nwora minutes, we had a 107.8 DRTG in minutes with Brook on court *without* Giannis this past year, in a 1000+ minute sample. To put that into perspective the #1 D in the league was 109.9 DRTG.

If I recall this was basically the first season where the Lopez-on/Giannis-off lineups defensively out-performed the Giannis-on/Lopez-off ones. That's always been a crutch for peoples' "Giannis isn't an all-time defender" argument despite the numbers historically not really backing up that Brook is just as important to the defense. I think it's pretty easy to chalk it up to small sample size.

Fotis St · Post #1604 » by **Fotis St** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:13 pm

Prez wrote:Does Giannis’ “antigravity” on defense extend to when he’s on the bench and Lopez is on the floor without him?

Because when you filter out any Mamu/Nwora minutes, we had a 107.8 DRTG in minutes with Brook on court *without* Giannis this past year, in a 1000+ minute sample. To put that into perspective the #1 D in the league was 109.9 DRTG.

Dude quit cherry picking stats.
Imagine being a Center and Brook guards you ... you see Giannis ready to help defend the rim... do you attack the rim regardless or take more distant shots and hooks ... that is something stats never shows.

I guess you have played basketball ... when opponent has a freak on D guarding the rim, you adjust your game, even though you know you can beat your opponent, your mind knows that freak will be there.

Post #1605 » by **Prez** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:53 pm

Fotis St wrote:
Prez wrote:Does Giannis’ “antigravity” on defense extend to when he’s on the bench and Lopez is on the floor without him?

Because when you filter out any Mamu/Nwora minutes, we had a 107.8 DRTG in minutes with Brook on court *without* Giannis this past year, in a 1000+ minute sample. To put that into perspective the #1 D in the league was 109.9 DRTG.

Dude quit cherry picking stats.
Imagine being a Center and Brook guards you ... you see Giannis ready to help defend the rim... do you attack the rim regardless or take more distant shots and hooks ... that is something stats never shows.

I guess you have played basketball ... when opponent has a freak on D guarding the rim, you adjust your game, even though you know you can beat your opponent, your mind knows that freak will be there.

I’m not cherry picking anything. You made a claim insinuating that Brook’s defensive rep is a product of Giannis, so I brought up a 1000 minute sample size of Brook on court without Giannis this past season and us having an elite defense in those minutes.

Fotis St · Post #1606 » by **Fotis St** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:57 pm

Why did you filter out Mamu and Nwora ?

And whatever Off Giannis / In Brook doesn't reflect or oppose to anything I said that when Giannis plays with Brook he has antigravity.

Show me ... Giannis ON / Giannis OFF attempts near the rim ... that will show part of what I am saying. Just from there ...

Stats can't reflect everything that is happening on court, do we agree on that ? Yes or No ?

Post #1607 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:08 pm

GoldenAntlers wrote:Catching up on this thread wasted my entire break from work. This could have been a 2 post conversation.

Welcome to the off-season dead zone

Frank Nova · Post #1608 » by **Frank Nova** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:27 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:
GoldenAntlers wrote:Catching up on this thread wasted my entire break from work. This could have been a 2 post conversation.

Welcome to the off-season dead zone

This has been 1 of the more truly brutal off seasons in recent memory. Ending the season in terrible fashion, random head coaching fire/hire, salary cap problems.. even the speculative rumor mill has been brutal. Dog days can’t end soon enough honestly. Still holding out hope we can upgrade our guard situation somehow but I’m not even sure what that looks like now 6wks later when everything has completely died down..

Post #1609 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:30 pm

The schedule should be out in the next couple of weeks, at least that's something to talk about for awhile. I still think we'll make a trade but it's still several weeks until camp starts.

Post #1610 » by **Prez** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:56 pm

Fotis St wrote:Why did you filter out Mamu and Nwora ?

And whatever Off Giannis / In Brook doesn't reflect or oppose to anything I said that when Giannis plays with Brook he has antigravity.

Because Mamu/Nwora are awful, so awful that they can single handedly skew the numbers. But fair enough, if you want to include them, it doesn’t make any meaningful difference. All it does is tack on an additional 200 minutes to the sample size and the Brook without Giannis DRTG is now 108.3, which would still be good for best in the league.

And the whole reason I’m bringing this up is because of what you said:

These people who think Henson and Brook are top defenders don't understand that Giannis has both Gravity on offense and AntiGravity on Defense.

Why nobody even thinks about it, I don't know.
Giannis defensive Antigravity has offered Brook Lopez 20+ M per year contract and 1st/2nd team all defense awards

With the suggestion seeming to be that you think Brook isn’t actually a top defender, but is seen as such because of Giannis’ “antigravity” on defense. To which I responded by posting how we performed with Brook on the floor without Giannis.

jute2003 · Post #1611 » by **jute2003** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 6:35 pm

I dislike nepotism in general and would prefer that thanasis didnt get a roster spot but it is unfortunately a part of life. Oh well...moving on

aboveAverage · Post #1612 » by **aboveAverage** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:15 pm

Summers are really slow when your team is already pretty much ready to compete for a title.

Hope you guys are doing well and are having a relaxing summer. Looking forward to some basketball news to talk about sometime soon.

RogerMurdock · Post #1613 » by **RogerMurdock** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:30 pm

One of the oddest things about the Thanasis hand-wringing is that people think that the Bucks keeping him means that Giannis is a baby or that he's threatened to leave if they don't sign his brother or something. I HIGHLY doubt this is the case. It's just an extra thing the front office can do that hurts nobody. Hell, it sounds like Thanasis could've gone to the Knicks if he wanted.

Plus, everybody on the team seems to love Thanasis and that's worth something. Every team has deep bench players who only play in garbage time. Why not have it be the star's brother who is a fantastic teammate? Man, I would love to be around somebody who made my work environment better every day.

Wisky4life · Post #1614 » by **Wisky4life** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:54 pm

I'd sign Giannis sons right now if I knew we would win another championship. 15th spot doesn't matter.

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CharityStripe34 · Post #1615 » by **CharityStripe34** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 11:26 pm

Wisky4life wrote:I'd sign Giannis sons right now if I knew we would win another championship. 15th spot doesn't matter.

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Imagine Bucks signing Liam to 7 or 8 straight 2 year two way deals. Talk about draft stashing

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blazza18 · Post #1616 » by **blazza18** » Mon Jul 31, 2023 11:54 pm

The Thanasis might have actually signed for the Knicks report is so unbelievable haha.

Anyway let's talk about something that actually matters to the Bucks winning games and that's what the hell are we looking to do as Jrue's backup? So far the players being thrown around are guys on two way contracts or a second round rookie who can't shoot? Or Dragic who isn't even on the roster.

benultimate · Post #1617 » by **benultimate** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 12:43 am

Bring back Dragan Bender I say

FlagsFlyForever · Post #1618 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 1:28 pm

Fotis St wrote:The poster FlagsFlyForever who mentioned Henson and us looking as the 2nd best team ... reminded the love for Henson some had here those days ... stats were showing that Henson was the 2nd best Rim protector in the League, really close to No1 Rudy Gobert.

I wasn't showing love for Henson. That completely misses the point I was making. It was that an average player like Henson was significantly better than the boat anchor that Thon was, and we needed to improve our bench in order to take the next step as a team.

jschligs · Post #1619 » by **jschligs** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 1:33 pm

I'd be willing to bet a good amount we do some type of trade for a backup PG involving one of the rumored participants.

emunney · Post #1620 » by **emunney** » Tue Aug 1, 2023 2:41 pm

blazza18 wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:
blazza18 wrote:I'm not bothered by the thought of him leaving anymore and I understand the thought process of just doing what needs to be done to keep him but imo Giannis has been here long enough where I call his bluff and bet on him not actually having a massive sook if his brother wasn't brought back as a player.

We may never see a player as good as Giannis on the Bucks ever again. And you'd be willing to play bluff games over the use of the FINAL SPOT on the roster? Does not compute, at all.

We're going to be ok. The franchise doesn't need to treat Giannis with kids gloves anymore.

I think the point of Thanasis is to proactively improve Giannis' quality of life rather than to appease him. I don't think Giannis is demanding this but I think it's obvious that having Thanasis around helps Giannis. Not sure if it's the best use of the roster spot but also don't think it's useless, and I definitely don't think of it as some quid pro quo. Possible it is but not the only justification.