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Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down

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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#81 » by Rainwater » Thu Aug 3, 2023 2:25 pm

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jezzerinho wrote:Anyone who supports not just a climate change denier but someone who wants to roll back the little progress that has been made to avoid catastrophe... i guess the truism is correct that voters get who they deserve.



Republican voters can point at the Biden Administration and make the same kind of schoolyard burn. It's meaningless.


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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#82 » by Rainwater » Thu Aug 3, 2023 2:52 pm

Tarheel wrote:Has there been any suggestion as to why the donation came from the Magic and not personally from whichever DeVos family member wanted to donate?

It seems to me to be pretty counterproductive to use a sports vehicle for political donations - you're going to alienate part of your customer base (and, most likely, piss off at least part of your staff who wouldn't want to be associated with whichever politician you've donated to).

It's difficult enough to follow a sports team in any high level league that doesn't have owners with either deplorable politics, dirty money or a penchant for tax evasion, but using the teams to route money to political causes just seems like another step into the sportswashing ether. The NBA (and other leagues) needs to do better to regulate stuff like this, IMO.


I really believe you are really overstating things here. This will have very little impact on the magic. The vast majority of people don’t care about politics or aware what is even happening politically. Again the vast majority of Americans can’t pass a citizenship test. I bet you the vast majority of people don’t even know this happened. I doubt the vast majority of Americans know the political background of their own employers; even if they did, I doubt they will let this determine their financial decisions when they have bills to pay.

Typically the mixture of politics and sports has no long term effect on the the sport. The same arguments used to say this DeSantis thing will negatively affect the magic are the same arguments used to say the NBA’s and players’ support of BLM would negatively affect the league and many teams. Just like the BLM uproar pretty certain everything will be just fine.

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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#83 » by jezzerinho » Thu Aug 3, 2023 2:55 pm

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jezzerinho wrote:Anyone who supports not just a climate change denier but someone who wants to roll back the little progress that has been made to avoid catastrophe... i guess the truism is correct that voters get who they deserve.


Let's not pretend global warming isn't politically driven and isn't fed -to-masses to oblivion by mega companies who saw great way to force you into buying new stuff by guilt tripping you.


If you are older than 35, you grew up listening about Boogeyman called Ozon layer and how it's so awful over Antartica, and how it will literally kill us and how it will take 50-150 years of molecules of chlorofluorocarbons to be destroyed.

Than you were guilt tripped into buying new fridge to save the planet but they also forgot to tell you that in atmosphere 1,1 millions of tons are relled by CFC product. Sounds a lot , i know.
However, same people who are "Earth protectors" also forget to tell masses that Evaporation relises 300 000 000 of tons of same clorin naturally, and vulcanic activities relise 36 000 000 . Ooops... It seems like...your new fridge didn't save a planet, but for damn sure it helped company sell you new bullshi*


And after all this nobody ever today talks about Ozone layers. I guess those new fridges once again saved the planet :rofl:

Now it's time to repeat same with cars. And nobody will tell you ( oops...) that 77% of total global GHG emission isn't done by cars but..drumroll... Industries and agriculture . Now we can be sain persons and ask ourselfs simple question:

What was last time we saw on tv or youtube or anywhere "Green " commercial that goes at companies and food factories and blames them for polluting us ?

But Pepe, you crazy basterd, 16% of GHG emmision is done by transport you say? Yes. But here's dirty little secret: one cruise ship pollutes more than cars of some 5 million people -together.

But that's not all, all the s** you take on your cruise ends up where? Well....you can only imagine where will massive boat dump his s***.


So whole tihng is way more political than you want to admit. Nobody is questioning global warming nor should, nobody is questioning global pollution nor it should, but answer that you get once you start to get to a bottom of it will probably not be one you hoped that will be sold with you buying new Tesla . Mostly because your Tesla needs electricity, and your country can't provide enough without nuclear energy, coals or oil. So you are "all green and good " but you are actually being played as a fool. Congratulations! Buy new fridge, help ozon!


Dont think i ever met someone as incapable of distinguishing cause from effect as you.

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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#84 » by Rainwater » Thu Aug 3, 2023 3:02 pm

davey_wavy wrote:The check written to DeSantis was on May 19th before he announced his run for president. This has been confirmed by the Magic

Everyone can quit crying now


Everyone knew DeSantis would run for president years ago, lol. Many of his policies were created for national attention rather than helping the common Floridan. So the fact they signed the check in May means nothing. By May it was pretty much a done deal he would run. A political campaign doesn’t begin the day you announce but months in advance. You have to put a team together, there is the rollout, etc. I would have been shocked if he didn’t run for president. DeVos signed that check knowing DeSantis would run. With the DeVos family as politically active as they are they would be idiots not to know.
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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#85 » by eyriq » Thu Aug 3, 2023 3:28 pm

I can't say this is how I want them spending their money.
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Post#86 » by bigdogdylan5 » Thu Aug 3, 2023 4:06 pm

eyriq wrote:I can't say this is how I want them spending their money.

I was waiting for someone to say this is how they spend that cash consideration from the second round picks lmao
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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#87 » by G-Heel » Thu Aug 3, 2023 4:45 pm

Politics aside, it's stupid to use the team name to donate to a politician. You just alienate the other side with the move. And then you should know most players lean Blue, so you potentially give them a reason not to come here. This move just doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not a billionaire, so what do I know.

Even though I don't agree with the move, I don't think it's enough to make me stop supporting the team, because I root for the players and the city, and who the team represents, which are the fans imo, not their dumb owners.
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Post#88 » by Fortune Teller » Thu Aug 3, 2023 5:40 pm

A statement from the NBA Players' Association:

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This is an embarrassment. Anyone who tries to spin it any other way is simply willing to turn a blind eye due to their own political preferences.
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Post#89 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Aug 3, 2023 5:47 pm

Donation was given way before the whole presidential candidacy was announced. However like many have said just use the owners name.
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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#90 » by MagicTownBaller » Thu Aug 3, 2023 5:51 pm

Fortune Teller wrote:A statement from the NBA Players' Association:

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This is an embarrassment for this organization and, unfortunately, this city. Anyone who tries to spin it any other way is simply willing to turn a blind eye due to their own political preferences.

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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#91 » by OrlMagic05 » Thu Aug 3, 2023 6:04 pm

G-Heel wrote:Politics aside, it's stupid to use the team name to donate to a politician. You just alienate the other side with the move. And then you should know most players lean Blue, so you potentially give them a reason not to come here. This move just doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not a billionaire, so what do I know.

Even though I don't agree with the move, I don't think it's enough to make me stop supporting the team, because I root for the players and the city, and who the team represents, which are the fans imo, not their dumb owners.


Agree 100%! However, my concern with this is the players. Not a smart move by a team like the Magic who have had a hard time keeping their stars. I have to believe this makes someone like Paolo uncomfortable given his public stance he has made in the past about certain political points. Yes, lets go ahead and piss off our star rookie right off the bat.. Not that smart.
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Post#92 » by Fortune Teller » Thu Aug 3, 2023 6:10 pm

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G-Heel wrote:Politics aside, it's stupid to use the team name to donate to a politician. You just alienate the other side with the move. And then you should know most players lean Blue, so you potentially give them a reason not to come here. This move just doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not a billionaire, so what do I know.

Even though I don't agree with the move, I don't think it's enough to make me stop supporting the team, because I root for the players and the city, and who the team represents, which are the fans imo, not their dumb owners.


Agree 100%! However, my concern with this is the players. Not a smart move by a team like the Magic who have had a hard time keeping their stars. I have to believe this makes someone like Paolo uncomfortable given his public stance he has made in the past about certain political points. Yes, lets go ahead and piss off our star rookie right off the bat.. Not that smart.

It's classic Orlando Magic, in a way. Just when we were starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel, it turns out to be the headlight of an oncoming train...and the owners are driving.

For all the posters who think this doesn't matter to the players, we'll see. It went from bad to worse with this statement from the NBPA. If the players didn't know about it before, now they know, and if they didn't care, they've just been told to care.
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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#93 » by KillMonger » Thu Aug 3, 2023 6:11 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Donation was given way before the whole presidential candidacy was announced. However like many have said just use the owners name.

exactly.....why use the team name? anybody with a brain should've walked that back and made it VERY clear that this is some devos family BS....maybe silver lining is this gets them to consider selling the team to another group, that will keep the team here of course
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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#94 » by basketballRob » Thu Aug 3, 2023 6:12 pm

I hope they run them out of town. Players could boycott coming to Orlando.


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Post#95 » by Fortune Teller » Thu Aug 3, 2023 6:19 pm

The line in the NBPA statement "using money earned through the labor of its employees" is damning. Those words were carefully selected.

The last line is also telling: "The Magic's donation does not represent player support for the recipient." I don't think they word the statement that way without talking to the Magic players. Otherwise they would have said "does not necessarily represent player support."
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Post#96 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Aug 3, 2023 6:31 pm

Fortune Teller wrote:The line in the NBPA statement "using money earned through the labor of its employees" is damning. Those words were carefully selected.

The last line is also telling: "The Magic's donation does not represent player support for the recipient." I don't think they word the statement that way without talking to the Magic players. Otherwise they would have said "does not necessarily represent player support."


I’d be shocked if they used money earned from the Magic. DeVos probably moved money from left to right pocket and then sent it. He’s not that dumb to lose his cash cow.
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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#97 » by FFBlitzace » Thu Aug 3, 2023 6:33 pm

Or maybe Paolo and the rest of the team will use their own experience of literally playing for the franchise to make up their mind about the franchise.

And given how this happened several months ago, this sudden firestorm is silly. "I'm outraged over something I never even knew existed." If the NBPA really cared, they wouldn't have been oblivious to it all this time. They just have to jump on the train because that's how woke mobs operate. This did not require an official statement from anyone. Optics aside, it doesn't need to be said that the donation does not represent the views of staff or players. Legally, it never did. There's nothing "alarming" about it either. Unless you want to allow the other side to consider contributions from liberal elites like Hollywood to left wing things like Pride to be "alarming" too. It just is what it is. Rich people donate money to politics.
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Post#98 » by Ducklett » Thu Aug 3, 2023 6:42 pm

The easy fix would be for the governors to just ban donations by the teams, if this was an issue. But seeing as a cursory search of the googles shows teams and even the NBPA have donated large money to different groups both political and apolitical, that doesn't seem to be the issue here.
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Post#99 » by Residual-Heat » Thu Aug 3, 2023 6:53 pm

they need to donate 50,000 to Joe Biden's campaign to cancel this out :lol:
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Post#100 » by OrlMagic05 » Thu Aug 3, 2023 6:59 pm

Its pretty naive to think this wont effect the majority of their players except for JI.

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