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Re: Harden may be coming here? 

Post#141 » by esqtvd » Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:17 pm

NickP wrote:As die hard fans we've all waited forever to see our team win a chip. So, if getting the Beard here gets it done then I'm all for trading TMann.
Also I love what Russ has done for us but Harden brings more to the game than Russ.
Of course it all depends on which Harden we get.


I'm frankly surprised every time I see someone willing to trade T-Mann, either here or on Twitter. But although not a needle-mover, he's a quality rotation piece, and about the only decent thing we have to offer besides FRPs. [The Sixers already have 4 centers, lol.]

I still see no harm in trying to wait Morey out. Looking across the league, I think there is a next-to-zero chance anyone will top our offer of garbage-and-spare parts. [With Harden sucking up minutes at the 2 here, Powell and Boston are redundant to us but at least of some value to the Sixers.] Although he held out for a long time on Ben Simmons, IMO he ended up folding.

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Morey surely now is holding out for a minimum of Mann and at least one FRP. The standoff begins.
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Post#142 » by rzzzzz » Fri Aug 4, 2023 1:32 pm

esqtvd wrote: Although he held out for a long time on Ben Simmons, IMO he ended up folding.


:D If you mean he overpaid for Harden, I can’t argue. Though look what the Nets paid for him. And while there is still a chance Simmons comes back healthy after two lost years, the odds of him finally buying into major development to attain his perceived ceiling is at best a long-shot. Morey’s glory was scoring Harden the first time, and he still loves him long time. I’m guessing it’s the organization that absolutely refuses to allow him to reward Harden with the winked at multi-year bonanza. I believe that what Morey is holding out for is Harden forced to suit up and play for his next contract, and succeeding, and then giving him his multi-year. It’s the rest of us that are inclined to move him, but not give him away. We’d rather hold him for next year’s cap space.
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Post#143 » by KL2 » Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:21 am

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Post#145 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:35 pm

Harden is just showing once again why no team in their right mind should ever trade for him. He doesn't just quit on every team he plays for, he burns the bridge in the nastiest possible way. And he doesn't bring any on-court playoff success to make his off-court antics tolerable.

I'm not a huge Morey fan either, but it's not his fault that Harden chose to be greedy and opt in. If he wanted out so badly, he could have opted out and gone to any team with cap space.
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Post#146 » by KL2 » Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:30 pm

I’m not a big Harden fan but I get why he’s pissed. He took a pay cut last summer so they could sign free agents. Those agreements happen all the time. We’ve done it with Batum and Jackson. I imagine Mason and Russ too. Different pay scales but still.

That’s strike one. Strike two is a little more cloudy.

He surely opted in to get his money once it was obvious he wasn’t going to recoup those losses in free agency. Was there a handshake deal there too though? No idea but Harden is going after someone who was considered a long time friend. Making those comments in China is another flamethrower. Something isn’t adding up for sure with both parties likely guilty of something.

Either what a hot mess.
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Post#147 » by Clemenza » Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:45 pm

Well that Harden statement just tanked any kind of leverage Philly had which wasn't much to begin with. I actually hate that we have to be dragged into this type of drama. At this point it should be Morris, Norm, and maybe -a strong maybe here- a first round pick for Harden. Take it or leave it.
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Post#148 » by TroubleS0me » Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:04 pm

just get Harden alrdy
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Post#149 » by Wammy Giveaway » Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:43 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:Harden is just showing once again why no team in their right mind should ever trade for him. He doesn't just quit on every team he plays for, he burns the bridge in the nastiest possible way. And he doesn't bring any on-court playoff success to make his off-court antics tolerable.

I'm not a huge Morey fan either, but it's not his fault that Harden chose to be greedy and opt in. If he wanted out so badly, he could have opted out and gone to any team with cap space.


Only problem is none of the teams have superstar cap space. Harden would have had to take a massive paycut to the point of a mid-level exception from a lottery team. Title contender, veterans minimum.

And he can't take a buyout either, otherwise Clippers are automatically out of the Harden race due to being in the 2nd apron, circling back to the veterans minimum.
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Post#150 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Aug 14, 2023 5:50 pm

KL2 wrote:I’m not a big Harden fan but I get why he’s pissed. He took a pay cut last summer so they could sign free agents. Those agreements happen all the time. We’ve done it with Batum and Jackson. I imagine Mason and Russ too. Different pay scales but still.

That’s strike one. Strike two is a little more cloudy.

He surely opted in to get his money once it was obvious he wasn’t going to recoup those losses in free agency. Was there a handshake deal there too though? No idea but Harden is going after someone who was considered a long time friend. Making those comments in China is another flamethrower. Something isn’t adding up for sure with both parties likely guilty of something.

Either what a hot mess.

I don't really sympathize with Harden here. He let himself get out of shape on purpose and openly disobeyed COVID rules to force his way out of Houston. He lied to KD that he was going to take the max contract that the Nets were offering him and then quit on the team a few months later. He's been utterly shameless in recent years to get his way, so if Morey pulled a fast one on him, that just means he's being treated the same way he treats others.
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Post#151 » by donemilio21 » Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:56 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:
KL2 wrote:I’m not a big Harden fan but I get why he’s pissed. He took a pay cut last summer so they could sign free agents. Those agreements happen all the time. We’ve done it with Batum and Jackson. I imagine Mason and Russ too. Different pay scales but still.

That’s strike one. Strike two is a little more cloudy.

He surely opted in to get his money once it was obvious he wasn’t going to recoup those losses in free agency. Was there a handshake deal there too though? No idea but Harden is going after someone who was considered a long time friend. Making those comments in China is another flamethrower. Something isn’t adding up for sure with both parties likely guilty of something.

Either what a hot mess.

I don't really sympathize with Harden here. He let himself get out of shape on purpose and openly disobeyed COVID rules to force his way out of Houston. He lied to KD that he was going to take the max contract that the Nets were offering him and then quit on the team a few months later. He's been utterly shameless in recent years to get his way, so if Morey pulled a fast one on him, that just means he's being treated the same way he treats others.


Making those comments in China is indeed strategic. Morey was painted as a public enemy in China by CCP not long ago, Harden is increasing his stock there by bad mouthing Morey openly in public.
I don't expect Morey to cave and trade him for salary match, and he is not going to agree to waive him either, unless there is a direction from ownership for him to do so.
Philly ownership might eventually realize cutting Harden loose might be addition by subtraction.
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Post#152 » by donemilio21 » Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:58 pm

I only want Harden here if the trade is Morris, RoCo, Coffey for Harden with no picks involved.
I could also stomach Morris + RoCo + Norm for Harden and Tucker.
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Post#153 » by illastrate » Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:48 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:
KL2 wrote:I’m not a big Harden fan but I get why he’s pissed. He took a pay cut last summer so they could sign free agents. Those agreements happen all the time. We’ve done it with Batum and Jackson. I imagine Mason and Russ too. Different pay scales but still.

That’s strike one. Strike two is a little more cloudy.

He surely opted in to get his money once it was obvious he wasn’t going to recoup those losses in free agency. Was there a handshake deal there too though? No idea but Harden is going after someone who was considered a long time friend. Making those comments in China is another flamethrower. Something isn’t adding up for sure with both parties likely guilty of something.

Either what a hot mess.

I don't really sympathize with Harden here. He let himself get out of shape on purpose and openly disobeyed COVID rules to force his way out of Houston. He lied to KD that he was going to take the max contract that the Nets were offering him and then quit on the team a few months later. He's been utterly shameless in recent years to get his way, so if Morey pulled a fast one on him, that just means he's being treated the same way he treats others.


But both can be simultaneously true. Harden can be at fault but that doesn't absolve Morey, who acted in bad faith on multiple occasions. He promised an extension offer after Harden took a paycut...didn't happen. He then promised to facilitate Harden's trade wish...didn't happen. Regardless of Harden's track record(which hasn't been good), I completely understand why he would be pissed.

donemilio21 wrote:I only want Harden here if the trade is Morris, RoCo, Coffey for Harden with no picks involved.
I could also stomach Morris + RoCo + Norm for Harden and Tucker.


I think something like Norm/Mook/BBJ/2 2nds is doable.
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Post#154 » by esqtvd » Tue Aug 15, 2023 7:34 am

In the middle of the night, Embiid just deleted all Philly/Sixers references from his TwitterX profile :lol:

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Post#155 » by Scoundreldays » Tue Aug 15, 2023 7:28 pm

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Post#156 » by TrueLAfan » Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:57 pm

I’ll give my opinion—which, in this case, may actually be the team opinion here. I don’t think we hear or heard much from the Clippers or Sixers about offers for Harden because … I don’t think we want him that much.

I get it that having Harden would be helpful because he is, in fact, still a very good player. But he isn’t a great player any more. His decline on offense has been obvious and continual. He simply lacks the speed and quicks to get by defenders-speed that he had at 27 and 30, but doesn’t have now. It makes his already questionable defense more of a problem—to be fair, Harden was never as bad as his detractors have said on that end, but he’s lacking the speed that he would (occasionally) utilize on occasion on that end now. His playoff play has almost always dropped relative to his regular season play, and the decline in the RS has also occurred in the playoffs. He started from a high point, but that point has been dropping. So … still a very good player, but not great. Still very skilled, but the skills and ability are both declining.

That’s the on-court stuff. Off court, his conditioning is questionable. His commitment does not always seem to be 100%. He’s not a team leader type. His effort is spottier now. Yes, he absolutely had two games where he carried Philly in the Boston series last year…but he had four games in that series where he was bad to abysmal—and, more to the point, where it looked like he kinda gave up. Game 6 and game 7—especially the second halfs of those games—were embarrassing. Again. I get it that the Sixers as a whole looked bad—but you’re James Harden. You’re a team leader. I get some people see Harden as a difference maker. but I think you need to look at all the stuff I just noted. He doesn’t move the needle nearly as much now, especially in the postseason.

I think Morey dealt Harden dirty in their contract talks. I don’t blame Harden for being pissed. I just don’t want him for our team. If PG and Kawhi are healthy, I think we need role players to step up or get traded for to make us title competitive. If either or both of PG and Kawhi are out, I don’t see Harden as enough of a difference maker to help a whole lot. I don’t think we want him that much.
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Post#157 » by esqtvd » Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:36 pm

At this point, after his latest outburst, this is all Harden's worth to the Clippers. Dumping Mook is a plus and I don't really like Powell's plus/minus--though he'd be a useful 6th man for the Sixers, who are quite thin. And throw in Boston, just to help Morey save a little face. This is probably close to what's already on the table.

Basically, Harden would take Powell's minutes and perhaps a little from Mann. Harden still had a good plus/minus last year so the knocks on his defense are offset by his scoring. Philly fans have turned against Harden [AND Morey!] so they probably wouldn't squawk much, though I don't see Morey surrendering to this deal until at least December, perhaps driven by a bad Sixers performance in the In-Season Tournament.

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Post#158 » by KL2 » Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:24 pm

Um, what?

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Post#159 » by esqtvd » Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:17 am

KL2 wrote:Um, what?

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Clippers NEVER leak info
this is a disinformation project :rofl2:

oh we can't possibly trade our $17M biggest pus-leaking liability both on and off the court


Frankly, Mook might actually help the Sixers
sure can't help us
He's from Philly and DESPERATELY needs a change of scenery

Teams have given away FRPs just to get rid of worthless contracts like his


BUT at this point--and I don't know the wonkery---
the worst part of the new anti-rich CBA goes into effect NEXT summer, and holding expiring garbage sal-cap contracts is a GOOD thing :confused:

that part is above my paygrade
has nothing to do with winning
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Post#160 » by ejftw » Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:57 am

KL2 wrote:Um, what?

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