Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down

[basketballRob]

Yes the left feels like a portion of the right has slipped off into fascism as the left and their supporters continue to act more and more like fascists every single day.

The problem with your commentary on this subject, is it isn't rooted in truth and isn't remotely factually accurate. Rather you seem to just be spewing propaganda talking points that also requires you to keep your eyes and ears closed to what is actually happening.

Do you even know what fascism is?

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Just stop. You clearly have no idea.

Use whatever definition you want, but there is only one side that controls mass media, censors people they disagree with, attempts to jail their political rivals, and has mobs that threaten violence if they don't get their way. That is what Fascism looks like.

Fascism is the far right and throughout history have had racist policies.

The far left would be socialism.





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[tiderulz]

Imagine getting less votes than an orange man in an orange jumpsuit What have we come to? Really stupid move organizationally...my own politics aside, dumb business move. GM can't be happy about that "optic" being attached to his recruiting efforts.

As Xatticus expounded above, corporate donation loopholes big enough to drive a battleship through are one of the truly despicable problems with our (USA) system.


...wait, Xatticus?

Do you applaud that mass donations to Democrats from the NBA and their constant pushing of organizations' that if donated to your money goes to nothing but getting Democrats elected?

No one ever seems to have an issue with the above. Flip it around and people like you are ready to jump off a cliff.

First of all, don't say "people like you" because you don't know Jack S**t about me. Secondly, as you can see from the media and NBAPA response- it was a stupid business decision...I'm talking about stirring up things when there's no need to do so. The Devos family probably have dozens of corps (largely based on shell games, but I digress) to run their "contributions" through. Why run such a relatively small amount ($50k) through an organization dependent on a largely liberal African-American population and, generally speaking, progressive stance on things? Winning in the NBA relies, in part, in being able to recruit talent, endear yourself to agents, etc...It's just bad business to make unnecessary, highly visible, potentially divisive moves that could affect your GM's ability to build a better team.

I wouldn't endorse similar contributions in the other direction either - why be potentially divisive? Donate to kids, local initiatives, etc. Politics today is way too explosive...as you can see by the two ass clowns who immediately labeled me after my post.

FYI, I'm a registered Republican, by the way, I just don't support liars, racists, Medicare frauds, Insurance industry lackeys, or pathological hypocrites. I don't think slavery was trade school, I can't recall any positive figures in history that banned books, and I don't think drag shows are a higher priority than, well, just about any of the other hundred things that need work. I'm an old, straight, white male who owns a successful business...I'm just trying not to be a jerk.

well said. i personally believe that both parties are very hypocritical. and both seem to drift into extremes. but i only see 1 party taking freedom and choices away right now. and this coming from a 4th generation military family that leans heavily republican, but not the party of Trump/Desantis/etc. still never understand how someone who has cheated on every wife he has had, doesnt pay his workers, bankrupted multiple companies, former democrat himself, became the cult figure he has become for the far right.

[theBigLip]

Most NBA owners politically have the same beliefs as the Devos' family, because they're all rich SOB's, but the Devos family doing something like this is paramount to sabotage to the Magic franchise & fans.

If this affects players going to the Magic thru trades & free agency & retaining talent, I'll have to reconsider my fandom until the Devos family is out.

my goodness if it does ..dont need them anyway ..if you cant seperate work and politics ..please grow up

Why should one separate work and politics? If you work for an entity that is against your beliefs, you don’t have much integrity.

[davey_wavy]

Imagine getting less votes than an orange man in an orange jumpsuit What have we come to? Really stupid move organizationally...my own politics aside, dumb business move. GM can't be happy about that "optic" being attached to his recruiting efforts.

As Xatticus expounded above, corporate donation loopholes big enough to drive a battleship through are one of the truly despicable problems with our (USA) system.


...wait, Xatticus?

Do you applaud that mass donations to Democrats from the NBA and their constant pushing of organizations' that if donated to your money goes to nothing but getting Democrats elected?

No one ever seems to have an issue with the above. Flip it around and people like you are ready to jump off a cliff.

First of all, don't say "people like you" because you don't know Jack S**t about me. Secondly, as you can see from the media and NBAPA response- it was a stupid business decision...I'm talking about stirring up things when there's no need to do so. The Devos family probably have dozens of corps (largely based on shell games, but I digress) to run their "contributions" through. Why run such a relatively small amount ($50k) through an organization dependent on a largely liberal African-American population and, generally speaking, progressive stance on things? Winning in the NBA relies, in part, in being able to recruit talent, endear yourself to agents, etc...It's just bad business to make unnecessary, highly visible, potentially divisive moves that could affect your GM's ability to build a better team.

I wouldn't endorse similar contributions in the other direction either - why be potentially divisive? Donate to kids, local initiatives, etc. Politics today is way too explosive...as you can see by the two ass clowns who immediately labeled me after my post.

FYI, I'm a registered Republican, by the way, I just don't support liars, racists, Medicare frauds, Insurance industry lackeys, or pathological hypocrites. I don't think slavery was trade school, I can't recall any positive figures in history that banned books, and I don't think drag shows are a higher priority than, well, just about any of the other hundred things that need work. I'm an old, straight, white male who owns a successful business...I'm just trying not to be a jerk.

I need a job. You hiring?

[89Magicfan]

I believe the left feels like a portion of the right has slipped off into fascism. If it were a conservative Republican it wouldn't be a big deal.



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Yes the left feels like a portion of the right has slipped off into fascism as the left and their supporters continue to act more and more like fascists every single day.

The problem with your commentary on this subject, is it isn't rooted in truth and isn't remotely factually accurate. Rather you seem to just be spewing propaganda talking points that also requires you to keep your eyes and ears closed to what is actually happening.

Do you even know what fascism is?

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Faciam and communism are two wings of the same bird with very few differences.

[theBigLip]

When I saw this news, I thought, Ugh, gross.

I thought gross not because I find Governor DeSantis to be a small, loathsome, petty, pathetic, and fascism-curious human being who would rather see American democracy defeated than live under a version of it where his party's unpopular and extremist ideas lose out to the majority who think differently than him. (Which is basically how I feel about all Republican politicians, judges, and other professional Republican political actors; other people feel equally passionate in the opposite direction, I know.)

No, I thought gross because sports is where I go to get away from politics, where I can come together with other good people who I know voted twice for Ron DeSantis and other politicians I find repugnant (or people who didn't vote at all) and it doesn't matter, because we're all just hanging out, cheering on our team. It's a community that, in its best form, transcends politics. So, when the DeVos family does something like this under the team's name, it puts political disagreements front and center in a place where politics ought not be.

It's of course their right to donate to whoever they wish to support, but as many others in this thread have said, doing it as the Magic organization is just effing dumb.

Great post

[The Real Dalic]

Do you even know what fascism is?

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Just stop. You clearly have no idea.

Use whatever definition you want, but there is only one side that controls mass media, censors people they disagree with, attempts to jail their political rivals, and has mobs that threaten violence if they don't get their way. That is what Fascism looks like.

Fascism is the far right and throughout history have had racist policies.

The far left would be socialism.





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Incorrect, Fascism is the Far Left and a certain guy from Germany in the 1930's and 1940's that I don't want to name was a part of, and supported by, the National Socialist party.

Also, the Left has censored Conservatives on every platform. To the point that an independent who used to lean Left had to buy one of the platforms on Social Media just to allow us to finally speak a tiny bit more freely.

Also, just because you disagree with someone, doesn't make them evil, racist, or a fascist.

Also, no, showing ID is not supressing votes, it's doing what we've always done which is verifying you are who you say you are and not allowing you to vote for the same candidate mulitple time. Allowing the murder of babies due to bad choices someone makes in 99.9% of cases is not controlling someones bodies, forcing them to take an untested drug or lose your job ironically is.

Finally, since I've seen this a couple of times from others on here, we are not a Democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Which is different since Democracy is mob rule.

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[fendilim]

Most NBA owners politically have the same beliefs as the Devos' family, because they're all rich SOB's, but the Devos family doing something like this is paramount to sabotage to the Magic franchise & fans.

If this affects players going to the Magic thru trades & free agency & retaining talent, I'll have to reconsider my fandom until the Devos family is out.

my goodness if it does ..dont need them anyway ..if you cant seperate work and politics ..please grow up

Why should one separate work and politics? If you work for an entity that is against your beliefs, you don’t have much integrity.

Meh, everyone bends their principle when it benefits them.

[The Real Dalic]

This will not only be forgotten soon. But, I believe that this would have been a literal non-issue if it was a donation to anyone on the Left not named Kirsten Cinema, Joe Manchin, Tulsi Gabbard, or Robert Kennedy.

Even if it did cause issues, I hope the Magic stand firm on it and don't take the donation back or try to appease the mob. It's time both sides be treated equally. If the NBA and all the other sports Organizations can support Leftist cause after Leftist cause, it's only fair that the Magic can make a donation to an organization on the Right with the same exact treatment as the Left.

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[The Real Dalic]

my goodness if it does ..dont need them anyway ..if you cant seperate work and politics ..please grow up

Why should one separate work and politics? If you work for an entity that is against your beliefs, you don’t have much integrity.

Meh, everyone bends their principle when it benefits them.

I work in a very Left leaning Organization, but I do not bend my principles. I agree that many do though. But if they start forcing me to support or say I agree with Leftist things, I will tell them no, or I will find another job. Sometimes risks have to be taken for your principles. No matter how scary.

It's also funny because every political event at the place I work is only honoring people on the Left with anything Conservative not being allowed.

Meanwhile, the Orlando Magic are clearly a right-leaning Organization, but they allow some left-leaning events, like Pride night. That's called being fair and treating everyone equally. That's all we ever ask for from the Left. It rarely happens that way though.

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[theBigLip]

The NBA hates Republicans but lovesssssss China.

The fact that this thread is even a story shows you half of this country has gone completely off the rails and has zero tolerance for anyone not agreeing with them. Sad.

Money from China who has people in concentration camps = hell yah
Money to Democrats = hell yah
Money to DeSantis (one of the most popular governors in the country btw) = ALARMING

Over simplification. And vague use of the term “NBA” - are you talking fans? Players? Owners? League office?

[tiderulz]

Also, no, showing ID is not supressing votes, it's doing what we've always done which is verifying you are who you say you are and not allowing you to vote for the same candidate mulitple time. Allowing the murder of babies due to bad choices someone makes in 99.9% of cases is not controlling someones bodies, forcing them to take an untested drug or lose your job ironically is.

Finally, since I've seen this a couple of times from others on here, we are not a Democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Which is different since Democracy is mob rule.

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i have no problem requiring ID's to vote. i do have issues with closing polling places a week before elections. i do have issues curtailing hours when people can vote, which severely benefit one party. I do have issues with enacting laws to allow voting results to be thrown out (if a certain party does not agree with them)

your views on abortion are yours, not going to tell you that you are right or wrong on them. But that is your view. there are religions that allow abortions. for a country founded on religious freedom, forcing one set of views on over half the population isnt right to me. Allow the choice to be there. If a group wants to push a certain view, use education not enforcement of their views.

[tiderulz]

Why should one separate work and politics? If you work for an entity that is against your beliefs, you don’t have much integrity.

Meh, everyone bends their principle when it benefits them.

I work in a very Left leaning Organization, but I do not bend my principles. I agree that many do though. But if they start forcing me to support or say I agree with Leftist things, I will tell them no, or I will find another job. Sometimes risks have to be taken for your principles. No matter how scary.

It's also funny because every political event at the place I work is only honoring people on the Left with anything Conservative not being allowed.

Meanwhile, the Orlando Magic are clearly a right-leaning Organization, but they allow some left-leaning events, like Pride night. That's called being fair and treating everyone equally. That's all we ever ask for from the Left. It rarely happens that way though.

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is the company you work for a private company that receives no public funding?

[theBigLip]

This is not the first time the magic as an organization have donated to a pac or desantis. Other NBA teams have donated as organizations to parties and politicians as well. If the bulls and nets can donate to lori lightfoot and letitia james, then the magic can donate to arguably the most popular governor in fl history.

Sources? Literally nothing comes up for either.

I’m glad you checked. It’s nice to be able to differentiate posts that are facts and which ones are made up.

[fendilim]

Why should one separate work and politics? If you work for an entity that is against your beliefs, you don’t have much integrity.

Meh, everyone bends their principle when it benefits them.

I work in a very Left leaning Organization, but I do not bend my principles. I agree that many do though. But if they start forcing me to support or say I agree with Leftist things, I will tell them no, or I will find another job. Sometimes risks have to be taken for your principles. No matter how scary.

It's also funny because every political event at the place I work is only honoring people on the Left with anything Conservative not being allowed.

Meanwhile, the Orlando Magic are clearly a right-leaning Organization, but they allow some left-leaning events, like Pride night. That's called being fair and treating everyone equally. That's all we ever ask for from the Left. It rarely happens that way though.

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Working for them is also supporting them, no?

[theBigLip]

This is not the first time the magic as an organization have donated to a pac or desantis. Other NBA teams have donated as organizations to parties and politicians as well. If the bulls and nets can donate to lori lightfoot and letitia james, then the magic can donate to arguably the most popular governor in fl history.

Sources? Literally nothing comes up for either.

https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=orlando+magic

I found it on reddit

It's not new, especially for the Magic.

The Magic (the team, not the owner) have made hundreds of contributions to politicians
, nearly all of them Republicans. They donated to DeSantis in 2020 and 2022, and they donated to previous Republican governors in 2014 (Rick Scott) and 1998 (Jeb Bush). They also donated to Matt Gaetz in 2020.

The Nets gave to NY AG Letitia James in 2018.

The Warriors gave to CA AG Rob Bonta in 2018.

The Bobcats gave to DC mayoral candidate Linda Cropp in 2006.

The Sonics gave to gubernatorial candidate Ron Sims in 2004.


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Clippers owner over span of 5 years donated $8M to left political wing.

It gets crazy once you figure almost all nba owners donate money to both parties. Money talks, BS walks at the end of a day i guess.

Does someone else’s post on Reddit qualify as a “source”?

[MAGICian619]

Do you even know what fascism is?

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Just stop. You clearly have no idea.

Use whatever definition you want, but there is only one side that controls mass media, censors people they disagree with, attempts to jail their political rivals, and has mobs that threaten violence if they don't get their way. That is what Fascism looks like.

you mean like denying press access? or taking choices away from people? making it harder for people to vote? throwing out voting results if you dont like/agree with them?

seeing the majority of that from 1 side.

Not even sure what you are talking about when you say denying press access. Trump got on a microphone every day for 4 years and gave everyone his thoughts. No one was denied press access. Biden doesn't even speak to the press.

Taking choices away from people? Assuming you are talking about abortion. Nothing was taken away. It's a state issue now just like it's supposed to be. If you want an abortion you can have one, doesn't mean I should be paying for it.

These next two are my favorites. Making it harder to vote how? By requiring an ID? Are you in the camp that thinks black Americans are so incapable of acquiring an ID that somehow it's voter suppression? All while at the same time crying that voter fraud doesn't exist while you simultaneously try and make it easier for fraud to occur by removing the ID requirement. This is the kind of shenanigans/propagandists we are dealing with.

[MAGICian619]

Also, no, showing ID is not supressing votes, it's doing what we've always done which is verifying you are who you say you are and not allowing you to vote for the same candidate mulitple time. Allowing the murder of babies due to bad choices someone makes in 99.9% of cases is not controlling someones bodies, forcing them to take an untested drug or lose your job ironically is.

Finally, since I've seen this a couple of times from others on here, we are not a Democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Which is different since Democracy is mob rule.

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i have no problem requiring ID's to vote. i do have issues with closing polling places a week before elections. i do have issues curtailing hours when people can vote, which severely benefit one party. I do have issues with enacting laws to allow voting results to be thrown out (if a certain party does not agree with them)

^^^^^^^ ALL PROPOGANDA. It used to be voting day and you are crying about not having 6 months to vote from your couch.

[theBigLip]

If by "issue" you mean the left is determined to attack DeSantis and Trump endlessly with false propaganda filled claims then you are right, DeSantis is the issue.

Trump allegedly conspired to throw out legally casted ballots.

Desantis has backed some current legislation that people view as racist and homophobic.

I do think the left fear that possibly a criminal or racist could be in office.





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BS. They fear the corruption they will expose that they have done by using cultural differences for their own agenda and gain. Among other stuff.

Take a look at the timeline of this whole thing. I’m no means a Trump guy but holy ****, we got a president’s son (as well as the President and the entire administration) who should be put under the jail let alone charged rn and not a single peep from these organizations who have supported them or institutions they are heavily invested in for decades.

What exactly did the President do? As opposed to very detailed indictments for Trump that explain why it is being done. You should read the indictments first and then post.

[The Real Dalic]

Also, no, showing ID is not supressing votes, it's doing what we've always done which is verifying you are who you say you are and not allowing you to vote for the same candidate mulitple time. Allowing the murder of babies due to bad choices someone makes in 99.9% of cases is not controlling someones bodies, forcing them to take an untested drug or lose your job ironically is.

Finally, since I've seen this a couple of times from others on here, we are not a Democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Which is different since Democracy is mob rule.

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i have no problem requiring ID's to vote. i do have issues with closing polling places a week before elections. i do have issues curtailing hours when people can vote, which severely benefit one party. I do have issues with enacting laws to allow voting results to be thrown out (if a certain party does not agree with them)

your views on abortion are yours, not going to tell you that you are right or wrong on them. But that is your view. there are religions that have allow abortions. for a country founded on religious freedom, forcing one set of views on over half the population isnt right to me. Allow the choice to be there. If a group wants to push a certain view, use education not enforcement of their views.

We should be throwing illegitimate votes out, yes. If you didn't verify who you were, or voted multiple times, or are dead, you should not have been able to vote. Yes, I agree, throw those out. Same if you voted from a district that you do not live in.

We have religious freedom in that you can choose to worship, or not worship, whoever you want. But this Country was founded on and guided by Christian principles. Plus, we should both force and educate on not murdering babies, just like we do with adults and children in general.

I'm wondering why the Magic did it with the team name more out of curiosity than anything though. I don't hate it, obviously, but just wondering why they chose now to do it and not through the DeVos name.

For the record, I'm a huge Rays fan and they do Leftist things all the time. The most I've ever done when they speak out against Conservative beliefs is roll my eyes, like people on the Left should've done here. Outside of those just genuinely asking questions of course and not just from a hating Conservatives, political kind of way.

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