Free Agency & Trades Rumours Thread 3

[Tripod]

If the Raptors wanted to save money they could have just traded Thad for Dragic straight up. There’s literally zero reason to add a first round pick in there. They had zero foresight that Koloko would be available with the second pick and what they did was trade the opportunity to draft a better player to draft a player who statistically probably won’t stick with the team past his rookie contract. So they managed to get the worse pick and they didn’t get a better player but managed to save a couple of dollars. Horrible trade.

Well ****. Why didn't someone tell MU he could just do that?

Oh wait, maybe because the Spurs needed INCENTIVE to take on tbe more expensive player and buy him out? Naw, that couldn't be it.

They were comfortable moving down in tbe draft as they felt they could get a comparable player. Time will tell if they were right or wrong. You just want to judge it after 1 year.

10+ million dollars is not a couple of dollars

Look at things objectively.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2022.html

Malaki Branam, Walker Kessler, Christian Braun, Andrew Nembhard all has better rookie seasons than Koloko. There are a bunch of players from 20 to 33 who had similar rookie seasons to Koloko and a few that had worse rookie seasons. Point is that even as a rookie Koloko didn’t stand out and there are at least 4 guys we could have picked clearly ahead of him on the curve. He could surpass all of them next year, yeah it’s possible, but you can make the same argument for any of the players drafted before Koloko as well. We swapped the chance to draft a higher impact player for a lower impact player to save money and pay Thad Young to sit on the bench. Second round picks have a low hit rate historically. I remember how everyone was hyped up during Delano Banton’s rookie season only for us to cut him loose. Horrible trade.

Sigh.

When tbe Raps drafted Koloko, dud you expect a good rookie season? The answer should be no because it was quite clear he needed development time. That's why it's dumb to come to any conclusion after 1 year especially for guys drafted 20 onward.

We took the stance that dropping 10-15 spots in the draft was worth saving over 10 million dollars that year, adding a vet in Thad, and saving money on that 2nd rd pick miney wise in the future(KK).

If you look at KK's underlying stats, they are very good with him on the court. We outplayed our opponents. Having that continue in the future will be very important for the Raps now that we have a coach to play him more.

You talk as if this move was franchise crippling and it was far from that.

[ill-Will03]

As much as I like Masai. It’s hard to justify that Thad trade. It didn’t make much sense at the time and looks even worse now.

Not a franchise derailing move but still a bad one

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[sbsat]

The trade was only necessary because Masai didnt want to trade Lowry for a mid tier underhwhelming prospect/package at the deadline and so settled for a mid tier underwhelming prospect in a S&T which necessitated us taking back Dragic's balloon contract to match- a 20mill contract from a player who had no intention of playing for us. We then had to use assets to dump him to get under the tax.

It was clearly misplayed and im not sure why anybody defends it. Was it some huge tragedy that someone needs to get fired over? no. But it is 1 in what has been a series of bad moves that have put us in a bad spot. This chit adds up

In hindsight masai traded a washed lowry who then got 30 mil a year for precious and salary filler. How is this something worthy to b*tch about??

[2019nbachamps]

The trade was only necessary because Masai didnt want to trade Lowry for a mid tier underhwhelming prospect/package at the deadline and so settled for a mid tier underwhelming prospect in a S&T which necessitated us taking back Dragic's balloon contract to match- a 20mill contract from a player who had no intention of playing for us. We then had to use assets to dump him to get under the tax.

It was clearly misplayed and im not sure why anybody defends it. Was it some huge tragedy that someone needs to get fired over? no. But it is 1 in what has been a series of bad moves that have put us in a bad spot. This chit adds up

In hindsight masai traded a washed lowry who then got 30 mil a year for precious and salary filler. How is this something worthy to b*tch about??

I think Masai was doing Lowry a solid by facilitating a sign and trade. Even with Precious coming back the trade has been a negative for us (not debilitating, but a trade that has limited our flexibility).

[Tor_Raps]

The trade was only necessary because Masai didnt want to trade Lowry for a mid tier underhwhelming prospect/package at the deadline and so settled for a mid tier underwhelming prospect in a S&T which necessitated us taking back Dragic's balloon contract to match- a 20mill contract from a player who had no intention of playing for us. We then had to use assets to dump him to get under the tax.

It was clearly misplayed and im not sure why anybody defends it. Was it some huge tragedy that someone needs to get fired over? no. But it is 1 in what has been a series of bad moves that have put us in a bad spot. This chit adds up

In hindsight masai traded a washed lowry who then got 30 mil a year for precious and salary filler. How is this something worthy to b*tch about??

Because we could have gotten a lot more the moment we decided not to bring back Gasol/Ibaka. Masai thought we could still contend with Baynes/Len and kept Lowry in the same offseason Jrue Holiday was traded for a haul.

Lowry was coming off a great season and only a Masai homer would think he was handled properly. Us even getting the sign and trade package from Miami was lucky as we could have easily gotten Fred'd and gotten nothing.

Now let's all hope that Masai isn't going down the same stupidity road with Trent/OG/Siakam.

[sbsat]

The trade was only necessary because Masai didnt want to trade Lowry for a mid tier underhwhelming prospect/package at the deadline and so settled for a mid tier underwhelming prospect in a S&T which necessitated us taking back Dragic's balloon contract to match- a 20mill contract from a player who had no intention of playing for us. We then had to use assets to dump him to get under the tax.

It was clearly misplayed and im not sure why anybody defends it. Was it some huge tragedy that someone needs to get fired over? no. But it is 1 in what has been a series of bad moves that have put us in a bad spot. This chit adds up

In hindsight masai traded a washed lowry who then got 30 mil a year for precious and salary filler. How is this something worthy to b*tch about??

Because we could have gotten a lot more the moment we decided not to bring back Gasol/Ibaka. Masai thought we could still contend with Baynes/Len and kept Lowry in the same offseason Jrue Holiday was traded for a haul.

Lowry was coming off a great season and only a Masai homer would think he was handled properly. Us even getting the sign and trade package from Miami was lucky as we could have easily gotten Fred'd and gotten nothing.

Now let's all hope that Masai isn't going down the same stupidity road with Trent/OG/Siakam.

How do you know? The fact os we got a prospect and salary filler for lowry who we had absolutely no use for. Youre speculating

[Tor_Raps]

In hindsight masai traded a washed lowry who then got 30 mil a year for precious and salary filler. How is this something worthy to b*tch about??

Because we could have gotten a lot more the moment we decided not to bring back Gasol/Ibaka. Masai thought we could still contend with Baynes/Len and kept Lowry in the same offseason Jrue Holiday was traded for a haul.

Lowry was coming off a great season and only a Masai homer would think he was handled properly. Us even getting the sign and trade package from Miami was lucky as we could have easily gotten Fred'd and gotten nothing.

Now let's all hope that Masai isn't going down the same stupidity road with Trent/OG/Siakam.

How do you know? The fact os we got a prospect and salary filler for lowry who we had absolutely no use for. Youre speculating

Using common sense.

Let me guess, we were getting 0 offers for Fred at the deadline so him leaving for nothing was the same because how do we know right? lol.

[sbsat]

Because we could have gotten a lot more the moment we decided not to bring back Gasol/Ibaka. Masai thought we could still contend with Baynes/Len and kept Lowry in the same offseason Jrue Holiday was traded for a haul.

Lowry was coming off a great season and only a Masai homer would think he was handled properly. Us even getting the sign and trade package from Miami was lucky as we could have easily gotten Fred'd and gotten nothing.

Now let's all hope that Masai isn't going down the same stupidity road with Trent/OG/Siakam.

How do you know? The fact os we got a prospect and salary filler for lowry who we had absolutely no use for. Youre speculating

Using common sense.

Let me guess, we were getting 0 offers for Fred at the deadline so him leaving for nothing was the same because how do we know right? lol.

We dod have offers for fred most likely. But were they good? Fred is different, we let him walk for nothing.

Anyways back to lowry we can only look at what we know. And the return we got for lowry is not worthy of complaint imo.

[Tor_Raps]

How do you know? The fact os we got a prospect and salary filler for lowry who we had absolutely no use for. Youre speculating

Using common sense.

Let me guess, we were getting 0 offers for Fred at the deadline so him leaving for nothing was the same because how do we know right? lol.

We dod have offers for fred most likely. But were they good? Fred is different, we let him walk for nothing.

Anyways back to lowry we can only look at what we know. And the return we got for lowry is not worthy of complaint imo.

That's because you've accepted the mediocrity of our management after 2019.

[sbsat]

Using common sense.

Let me guess, we were getting 0 offers for Fred at the deadline so him leaving for nothing was the same because how do we know right? lol.

We dod have offers for fred most likely. But were they good? Fred is different, we let him walk for nothing.

Anyways back to lowry we can only look at what we know. And the return we got for lowry is not worthy of complaint imo.

That's because you've accept the mediocrity of our management after 2019.

Cool

[mademan]

The trade was only necessary because Masai didnt want to trade Lowry for a mid tier underhwhelming prospect/package at the deadline and so settled for a mid tier underwhelming prospect in a S&T which necessitated us taking back Dragic's balloon contract to match- a 20mill contract from a player who had no intention of playing for us. We then had to use assets to dump him to get under the tax.

It was clearly misplayed and im not sure why anybody defends it. Was it some huge tragedy that someone needs to get fired over? no. But it is 1 in what has been a series of bad moves that have put us in a bad spot. This chit adds up

In hindsight masai traded a washed lowry who then got 30 mil a year for precious and salary filler. How is this something worthy to b*tch about??

It put us in the tax. Made us pay to get out of the tax, so we ended up trading Lowry and moving back in the draft 10 spots into the 2nd round for Precious/Young. I already it wasnt a huge mess, but just 1 in a long series of bad decisions.

[sbsat]

The trade was only necessary because Masai didnt want to trade Lowry for a mid tier underhwhelming prospect/package at the deadline and so settled for a mid tier underwhelming prospect in a S&T which necessitated us taking back Dragic's balloon contract to match- a 20mill contract from a player who had no intention of playing for us. We then had to use assets to dump him to get under the tax.

It was clearly misplayed and im not sure why anybody defends it. Was it some huge tragedy that someone needs to get fired over? no. But it is 1 in what has been a series of bad moves that have put us in a bad spot. This chit adds up

In hindsight masai traded a washed lowry who then got 30 mil a year for precious and salary filler. How is this something worthy to b*tch about??

It put us in the tax. Made us pay to get out of the tax, so we ended up trading Lowry and moving back in the draft 10 spots into the 2nd round for Precious/Young. I already it wasnt a huge mess, but just 1 in a long series of bad decisions.

You have to take back salary to trade lowry regardless of when. Trading hom earlier to a team with no guarantee he resigns with them do you think its a forgone conclusion they get useful assets back without taking back a contract that isnt cap friendly or worse has more term on it?

[mademan]

In hindsight masai traded a washed lowry who then got 30 mil a year for precious and salary filler. How is this something worthy to b*tch about??

It put us in the tax. Made us pay to get out of the tax, so we ended up trading Lowry and moving back in the draft 10 spots into the 2nd round for Precious/Young. I already it wasnt a huge mess, but just 1 in a long series of bad decisions.

You have to take back salary to trade lowry regardless of when. Trading hom earlier to a team with no guarantee he resigns with them do you think its a forgone conclusion they get useful assets back without taking back a contract that isnt cap friendly or worse has more term on it?

Precious is a fringe prospect and Dragic was an overpaid salary filler. There's no question they coudlve gotten that at the deadline. Chit, there was a confirmed offer of at least Thybulle, who's at minimum on the same level as Precious, without having to eat longer salary.

It was a bad trade. I dont know why people continue to try and justify it. Since the title, it's been a series of bad moves and non-moves by the organization with Scottie being the 1 exception.

[sbsat]

It put us in the tax. Made us pay to get out of the tax, so we ended up trading Lowry and moving back in the draft 10 spots into the 2nd round for Precious/Young. I already it wasnt a huge mess, but just 1 in a long series of bad decisions.

You have to take back salary to trade lowry regardless of when. Trading hom earlier to a team with no guarantee he resigns with them do you think its a forgone conclusion they get useful assets back without taking back a contract that isnt cap friendly or worse has more term on it?

Precious is a fringe prospect and Dragic was an overpaid salary filler. There's no question they coudlve gotten that at the deadline. Chit, there was a confirmed offer of at least Thybulle, who's at minimum on the same level as Precious, without having to eat longer salary.

It was a bad trade. I dont know why people continue to try and justify it. Since the title, it's been a series of bad moves and non-moves by the organization with Scottie being the 1 exception.

I dont understand how people like you can state something like thybelle was on the table as a fact. You dont know. And how would the salaries work without taking anything back? Im curious if that trade was even possible

[Tripod]

The trade was only necessary because Masai didnt want to trade Lowry for a mid tier underhwhelming prospect/package at the deadline and so settled for a mid tier underwhelming prospect in a S&T which necessitated us taking back Dragic's balloon contract to match- a 20mill contract from a player who had no intention of playing for us. We then had to use assets to dump him to get under the tax.

It was clearly misplayed and im not sure why anybody defends it. Was it some huge tragedy that someone needs to get fired over? no. But it is 1 in what has been a series of bad moves that have put us in a bad spot. This chit adds up

In hindsight masai traded a washed lowry who then got 30 mil a year for precious and salary filler. How is this something worthy to b*tch about??

Because we could have gotten a lot more the moment we decided not to bring back Gasol/Ibaka. Masai thought we could still contend with Baynes/Len and kept Lowry in the same offseason Jrue Holiday was traded for a haul.

Lowry was coming off a great season and only a Masai homer would think he was handled properly. Us even getting the sign and trade package from Miami was lucky as we could have easily gotten Fred'd and gotten nothing.

Now let's all hope that Masai isn't going down the same stupidity road with Trent/OG/Siakam.

Oh, so you wanted to trade Lowry when the Raps were coming off a 53-19 season in 2020? Sure would like to see all your posts back then saying that.