Position Battles: SG

[yoyojw17]

I really hope Howard gets a real opportunity here. He checks a lot of boxes, assuming his defense isn’t atrocious.

I really like Suggs and I hope he makes the leap, but he’s a good pairing with Cole…Howard might be a better pairing with Black and Fultz (for now)…I would like to see Fultz moved (before he expires), start Cole/Suggs with Black/Howard getting real minutes. Harris always there to fill in and Suggs getting some (3rd string as needed) minutes at PG.

This is, of course, assuming we don’t make the big obvious move and move Fultz, Harris, and 2 picks (one of ours + DEN 25) for Herro and have a REAL, proven, legit young SG starting. Herro is also a guy who can handle and distribute- which opens the door to him playing some with Suggs, who, ultimately, will be our most impactful Guard - if his offensive efficiency just takes a very realistic next step up.

Low key in my opinion we will have to wait on such trades because value isn't realized. still in my opinion.... we would end up giving up the best player in fultz out of that group.

I am a Fultz fan but even I don't think he's better than Herro.

That I am not in a hurry to help Miami get Lillard.

if fultz is back and stays healthy and finally gets to play and train with his team for once..... i believe he'll unlock a new level on this team that will surpass herro's value. This season... hopefully the "real Fultz" will take the stage. The only thing hero has on him is shooting. and as a leader... totally different level.

[Skybox]

I really hope Howard gets a real opportunity here. He checks a lot of boxes, assuming his defense isn’t atrocious.

I really like Suggs and I hope he makes the leap, but he’s a good pairing with Cole…Howard might be a better pairing with Black and Fultz (for now)…I would like to see Fultz moved (before he expires), start Cole/Suggs with Black/Howard getting real minutes. Harris always there to fill in and Suggs getting some (3rd string as needed) minutes at PG.

This is, of course, assuming we don’t make the big obvious move and move Fultz, Harris, and 2 picks (one of ours + DEN 25) for Herro and have a REAL, proven, legit young SG starting. Herro is also a guy who can handle and distribute- which opens the door to him playing some with Suggs, who, ultimately, will be our most impactful Guard - if his offensive efficiency just takes a very realistic next step up.

Low key in my opinion we will have to wait on such trades because value isn't realized. still in my opinion.... we would end up giving up the best player in fultz out of that group.

[drsd]

The only way Howard get the most starts is if Suggs and G-Harris have life threatening injuries from their car ride to watch Barbie the movie - because they were in the same car and they both really like pink.

Even then, Kevon Harris is more likely to get starter minutes than Howard.

Right now: Howard is a 5th stringer on this team.

[drsd]

I love this question as it really asks the question, "is Suggs capable of an eFG% greater than 55% as a starting SG?" The answer to that question determines his fate in the NBA.

Gary Harris should not be the starting SG, as he is absent entirely on offense. But: can Suggs contribute positive minutes?

Fascinating question!

[pepe1991]

Low key in my opinion we will have to wait on such trades because value isn't realized. still in my opinion.... we would end up giving up the best player in fultz out of that group.

I am a Fultz fan but even I don't think he's better than Herro.

That I am not in a hurry to help Miami get Lillard.

if fultz is back and stays healthy and finally gets to play and train with his team for once..... i believe he'll unlock a new level on this team that will surpass herro's value. This season... hopefully the "real Fultz" will take the stage. The only thing hero has on him is shooting. and as a leader... totally different level.

Not just shooting but scoring as well. Fultz in best year of his life only averaged 0,5 ppg more than Herro in his worst ( rookie year).

Nevermind fact you compare 4th to 6th year player and find creative excuses why guy entering 7th year in nba has "potential".

Injuries are part of what makes Fultz not very attractive as player. Constantlly hurt, with something that may, or may not exist as condition/injury that may or may not be behind him. Notion that anybody would take his "i will shoot 3s next year" serious is as laughable as it gets, since guy said that literally after shooting 5-19 for 3 in last 10 games. Does "shooting more " maens 0,5 threes made per game? Or shooting means bricking 26% for 3 ?


Herro, production vise, surpassed best version of Fultz to this date, in his second year.
In 67 games played, Herro had 18 games with +25 points.

Fultz whole season long scored 25 plus points only- 4 times.


Herro has scoring versitality & ability that Fultz simply doesn't have.

[drsd]

I am a Fultz fan but even I don't think he's better than Herro.

That I am not in a hurry to help Miami get Lillard.

if fultz is back and stays healthy and finally gets to play and train with his team for once..... i believe he'll unlock a new level on this team that will surpass herro's value. This season... hopefully the "real Fultz" will take the stage. The only thing hero has on him is shooting. and as a leader... totally different level.

Not just shooting but scoring as well. Fultz in best year of his life only averaged 0,5 ppg more than Herro in his worst ( rookie year).

Nevermind fact you compare 4th to 6th year player and find creative excuses why guy entering 7th year in nba has "potential".

Injuries are part of what makes Fultz not very attractive as player. Constantlly hurt, with something that may, or may not exist as condition/injury that may or may not be behind him. Notion that anybody would take his "i will shoot 3s next year" serious is as laughable as it gets, since guy said that literally after shooting 5-19 for 3 in last 10 games. Does "shooting more " maens 0,5 threes made per game? Or shooting means bricking 26% for 3 ?


Herro, production vise, surpassed best version of Fultz to this date, in his second year.
In 67 games played, Herro had 18 games with +25 points.

Fultz whole season long scored 25 plus points only- 4 times.


Herro has scoring versitality & ability that Fultz simply doesn't have.

If the Magic was offered Herro for Fultz (and picks), it is clear Orlando accepts that trade.

THe depth chart becomes natural in:

Suggs/Anthony/Black
Herro/G-Harris/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Okeke
Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze.

I LOVE that depth chart. If healthy, that team is a lock for the play-ins, and the homer in me say that is a dark-horse team in the playoffs.

[basketballRob]

if fultz is back and stays healthy and finally gets to play and train with his team for once..... i believe he'll unlock a new level on this team that will surpass herro's value. This season... hopefully the "real Fultz" will take the stage. The only thing hero has on him is shooting. and as a leader... totally different level.

Not just shooting but scoring as well. Fultz in best year of his life only averaged 0,5 ppg more than Herro in his worst ( rookie year).

Nevermind fact you compare 4th to 6th year player and find creative excuses why guy entering 7th year in nba has "potential".

Injuries are part of what makes Fultz not very attractive as player. Constantlly hurt, with something that may, or may not exist as condition/injury that may or may not be behind him. Notion that anybody would take his "i will shoot 3s next year" serious is as laughable as it gets, since guy said that literally after shooting 5-19 for 3 in last 10 games. Does "shooting more " maens 0,5 threes made per game? Or shooting means bricking 26% for 3 ?


Herro, production vise, surpassed best version of Fultz to this date, in his second year.
In 67 games played, Herro had 18 games with +25 points.

Fultz whole season long scored 25 plus points only- 4 times.


Herro has scoring versitality & ability that Fultz simply doesn't have.

If the Magic was offered Herro for Fultz (and picks), it is clear Orlando accepts that trade.

THe depth chart becomes natural in:

Suggs/Anthony/Black
Herro/G-Harris/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Okeke
Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze.

I LOVE that depth chart. If healthy, that team is a lock for the play-ins, and the homer in me say that is a dark-horse team in the playoffs.

We might make the playoffs without making any more moves.

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[yoyojw17]

I am a Fultz fan but even I don't think he's better than Herro.

That I am not in a hurry to help Miami get Lillard.

if fultz is back and stays healthy and finally gets to play and train with his team for once..... i believe he'll unlock a new level on this team that will surpass herro's value. This season... hopefully the "real Fultz" will take the stage. The only thing hero has on him is shooting. and as a leader... totally different level.

Not just shooting but scoring as well. Fultz in best year of his life only averaged 0,5 ppg more than Herro in his worst ( rookie year).

Nevermind fact you compare 4th to 6th year player and find creative excuses why guy entering 7th year in nba has "potential".

Injuries are part of what makes Fultz not very attractive as player. Constantlly hurt, with something that may, or may not exist as condition/injury that may or may not be behind him. Notion that anybody would take his "i will shoot 3s next year" serious is as laughable as it gets, since guy said that literally after shooting 5-19 for 3 in last 10 games. Does "shooting more " maens 0,5 threes made per game? Or shooting means bricking 26% for 3 ?


Herro, production vise, surpassed best version of Fultz to this date, in his second year.
In 67 games played, Herro had 18 games with +25 points.

Fultz whole season long scored 25 plus points only- 4 times.


Herro has scoring versitality & ability that Fultz simply doesn't have.

Lol...not going to sit there and argue about context and projection for the 81st time with ya. But i guess we will see next season. can't wait for this to start!

[Bensational]

Lol...not going to sit there and argue about context and projection for the 81st time with ya. But i guess we will see next season. can't wait for this to start!

I like Herro as a player and a prospect, I think he has that big shot swagger about him.

It’s interesting that Fultz is fractionally more efficient than him as a scorer. If Fultz took the same amount of shots he’s average 21ppg if he maintained his current efficiency, and that’s without a 3pt shot or high volume FTs.

Herro is still the kind of guy we’ll need at SG eventually, IMO. That guy who’s the clutch threat to hit a dagger 3. I’d love it if Suggs became that guy, but maybe it’ll be Howard or someone completely different?

[Skybox]

Lol...not going to sit there and argue about context and projection for the 81st time with ya. But i guess we will see next season. can't wait for this to start!

I like Herro as a player and a prospect, I think he has that big shot swagger about him.

It’s interesting that Fultz is fractionally more efficient than him as a scorer. If Fultz took the same amount of shots he’s average 21ppg if he maintained his current efficiency, and that’s without a 3pt shot or high volume FTs.

Herro is still the kind of guy we’ll need at SG eventually, IMO. That guy who’s the clutch threat to hit a dagger 3. I’d love it if Suggs became that guy, but maybe it’ll be Howard or someone completely different?

I don’t like efficiency as a primary thing to look at when you need scoring. The 50 most efficient players in the league are all offensive scrubs, except for Sabonis and Zion, and none of them are guards. I don’t like scorers that are wildly inefficient because that often points to forcing shots and selfish play…give me a real shooter all day. Fultz is great at dribbling through traffic and finishing at the rim…I’m just dumbstruck wondering why he doesn’t get to the line more-considering his style of play…3’s and free throws are like collecting interest on your scoring effort. Herro is an entirely different level of scorer.

[yoyojw17]

Lol...not going to sit there and argue about context and projection for the 81st time with ya. But i guess we will see next season. can't wait for this to start!

I like Herro as a player and a prospect, I think he has that big shot swagger about him.

It’s interesting that Fultz is fractionally more efficient than him as a scorer. If Fultz took the same amount of shots he’s average 21ppg if he maintained his current efficiency, and that’s without a 3pt shot or high volume FTs.

Herro is still the kind of guy we’ll need at SG eventually, IMO. That guy who’s the clutch threat to hit a dagger 3. I’d love it if Suggs became that guy, but maybe it’ll be Howard or someone completely different?

I don’t like efficiency as a primary thing to look at when you need scoring. The 50 most efficient players in the league are all offensive scrubs, except for Sabonis and Zion, and none of them are guards. I don’t like scorers that are wildly inefficient because that often points to forcing shots and selfish play…give me a real shooter all day. Fultz is great at dribbling through traffic and finishing at the rim…I’m just dumbstruck wondering why he doesn’t get to the line more-considering his style of play…3’s and free throws are like collecting interest on your scoring effort. Herro is an entirely different level of scorer.

Suggs - I hope he becomes that guy.... and i think he will be given every opportunity to show his improvements. defense... we all know what to expect... but if he comes back with a mature mentality that is efficient and effective (AKA.... just sloooooow down)... he will already make some great strides. If the shooting at the end of last season is an indication of what he could get close to from 3.... he will be great.

fultz - he's efficient cuz when it comes to being inside the three-point line.... it is tough to stop him from cleanly getting to where he wants when he wants. That herky jerky style of play makes it hard for people to predict and he gains separation from it. In the same way he is capable of getting away from people... he should use that ability to get into other bodies as well ever so often. keep em on their toes. hope that is something he incorporates more after last year's trial run. And once again at the end of the season... he was starting to let it fly with confidence. and i think he can make it closer to or to league average. The TOS has been put under control and the reps will lead to successes.

[pepe1991]

Tyler Herro is career 55,7% TS player on 17,7 ppg and 52,4% eFG
Markelle Fultz is career 51,8% TS player on 11,8 ppg and 49,1% eFG.

Let's keep BS out.


And also let's keep lies out. Fultz last year 56,4% TS , Herro 56,6% TS. Herro 20 ppg, Fultz 14.


And that type of trade will never happen, Miami is too smart to not understand problem that Fultz creates on offense in playoffs once he is left on island in corner and focused out on his inability to shoot from deep. There is good reason why they target offensive powerhouse in Lillard as player they need.

[Skybox]

Tyler Herro is career 55,7% TS player on 17,7 ppg and 52,4% eFG
Markelle Fultz is career 51,8% TS player on 11,8 ppg and 49,1% eFG.

Let's keep BS out.


And also let's keep lies out. Fultz last year 56,4% TS , Herro 56,6% TS. Herro 20 ppg, Fultz 14.


And that type of trade will never happen, Miami is too smart to not understand problem that Fultz creates on offense in playoffs once he is left on island in corner and focused out on his inability to shoot from deep. There is good reason why they target offensive powerhouse in Lillard as player they need.

Certainly not a straight up trade...MIA needs picks to throw on the Dame offer pile...ORL adds Fultz and Harris as expirings to match salary and give POR the added bonus of financial flexibility post-Dame. Fultz will be in the league for a while, but not in MIA. Comparing 22yo 6moy Herro to Fultz's offensive value is just not reality. Fultz' game could be salvaged by drawing and making FTs (3pt shots would be better, but unlikely IMO). Feeding an "efficient" backcourt guy who only scores 2 at a time after burning clock is not modern NBA basketball...might as well get Deandre Jordan and give him 20 efficient shots.

[drsd]

Miami and Orlando are not trade partners. Herro for Fultz is not remotely plausible simply becasue these are inter divisional opponents.

[tiderulz]

Miami and Orlando are not trade partners. Herro for Fultz is not remotely plausible simply becasue these are inter divisional opponents.

if trading Herro to Orlando gets Miami Dame, they dont just drive him to the airport, they drive Herro directly to Orlando HQ. it just has to make sense in what is traded by Orlando.

[Knightro]

Miami and Orlando are not trade partners. Herro for Fultz is not remotely plausible simply becasue these are inter divisional opponents.

Divisional opponents has literally nothing to do with it.

Herro for Fultz isn't plausible because Herro is a good player with value and Fultz isn't.

[VFX]

I really hope Howard gets a real opportunity here. He checks a lot of boxes, assuming his defense isn’t atrocious.

I really like Suggs and I hope he makes the leap, but he’s a good pairing with Cole…Howard might be a better pairing with Black and Fultz (for now)…I would like to see Fultz moved (before he expires), start Cole/Suggs with Black/Howard getting real minutes. Harris always there to fill in and Suggs getting some (3rd string as needed) minutes at PG.

This is, of course, assuming we don’t make the big obvious move and move Fultz, Harris, and 2 picks (one of ours + DEN 25) for Herro and have a REAL, proven, legit young SG starting. Herro is also a guy who can handle and distribute- which opens the door to him playing some with Suggs, who, ultimately, will be our most impactful Guard - if his offensive efficiency just takes a very realistic next step up.

Low key in my opinion we will have to wait on such trades because value isn't realized. still in my opinion.... we would end up giving up the best player in fultz out of that group.

[J the Drafter]

Herro can’t even get playing time with the Heat. Fultz is already proving his worth in a number of ways, and his shot is coming closer and closer to looking like his college form. He already has his midrange back.

[Skybox]

Herro can’t even get playing time with the Heat. Fultz is already proving his worth in a number of ways, and his shot is coming closer and closer to looking like his college form. He already has his midrange back.

That's right...he DID make that one in the last game.

there are good arguments in favor of Fultz' play...his shot is "coming back" is just reaching for unicorns as they fly past.

He's a heckuva good ball handler and can get through traffic on a very high level, he can finish efficiently at the rim, and he makes good passes to shooters (if he has any around). His midlevel game is strong...he could really be pretty good in a different offense with a different offensive style of play.

In ORL...he's not good.

[Skybox]

Miami and Orlando are not trade partners. Herro for Fultz is not remotely plausible simply becasue these are inter divisional opponents.

if trading Herro to Orlando gets Miami Dame, they dont just drive him to the airport, they drive Herro directly to Orlando HQ. it just has to make sense in what is traded by Orlando.

This is the obvious story...this is ORL snatching a really good player, who happens to be really young and a perfect fit...all because MIA is focused on Dame...it's a win-win, on two timelines. MIA wins chips NOW, ORL starts kicking their ass as Dame & Butler start to age out. A tremendously opportunistic, predatory move by ORL to get a guy that's almost 100% guaranteed to be better than whoever we'd be drafting next year. The value is compounded by the fact that we just drafted 2 MORE lottery picks who, at the moment, don't even have a clear lane to PT...how many more "not ready" bodies do you want to add to this stew of mediocrity?

Herro steps in tomorrow, scores 20+ a game, opens things up for Paolo to be an All-Star as soon as next year - assuming Paolo continues to feast aggressively inside, no longer double or triple covered down low because there's a legit threat to go for 40 from the perimeter if you ignore him to double PB. Franz is my favorite player on the team but he's built to be the best 3rd option in the league, not a superstar like Paolo projects to be. Franz is the glue guy that does it all, like Hedo did, and, when needed, can absolutely take over a game. That's a legit, very young, very complementary 'Big 3' and, IMO, Suggs might be on-deck as well. He and Herro could absolutely co-exist and Herro could also do well next to Black, if he shows that he's ready to contribute.

Herro might be the IDEAL addition to the present team- if you scan the rosters in the NBA...given his age and skillset and (apparent) availability. There's not many other guys his age with his dynamic, three-level scoring ability and offensive creation. His contract is nothing to ignore, but look at what other young guys are signing...it's not at all out of line.