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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V3.0 

Post#1741 » by tecumseh18 » Thu Aug 3, 2023 5:12 am

SharoneWright wrote:
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SharoneWright wrote:Pretty aggressive,, but ok?

It’s not just like you and Bill Summons were the only ones to know he was a reach. But thanks for planting your flag 12 years later. You are/were firmly in the majority regarding his draft choice. So that’s awesome for you!

Point is,, it’s too bad Bennett busted. Like so many other names before him…

Also too bad Todd McCullough got a nerve disease. It’s just unfortunate.


Didn’t mean to come across as a jerk. Just distinctly remember that Bennett was nowhere near #1 on any of the draft boards leading up to the draft. He was maybe considered in the top 5-10 range and it was a shock when he went #1.


Fine. Thanks for not wanting to be a jerk. And everybody who follows the NBA knows he was a reach.

My only point was I wish he could be 37% of his actual projected level. We could use another power forward. We could use some size. We could use a bully. It’s too bad he busted.


Don't know why you're being such a jerk about this. Dino's original post was in no way condescending. He wasn't purporting to have special insight into the scouting process. For the benefit of the kids on this board, he just mentioned that Bennett was considered a reach by most knowledgeable observers.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V3.0 

Post#1742 » by SharoneWright » Thu Aug 3, 2023 5:38 am

tecumseh18 wrote:
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Didn’t mean to come across as a jerk. Just distinctly remember that Bennett was nowhere near #1 on any of the draft boards leading up to the draft. He was maybe considered in the top 5-10 range and it was a shock when he went #1.


Fine. Thanks for not wanting to be a jerk. And everybody who follows the NBA knows he was a reach.

My only point was I wish he could be 37% of his actual projected level. We could use another power forward. We could use some size. We could use a bully. It’s too bad he busted.


Don't know why you're being such a jerk about this. Dino's original post was in no way condescending. He wasn't purporting to have special insight into the scouting process. For the benefit of the kids on this board, he just mentioned that Bennett was considered a reach by most knowledgeable observers.


Sorry Dino-might I was just wishing he had amounted to more.

Not really interested in litigating the obviously terrible choice to take him #1 about which there has been an abundance of re-hashed commentary over many years.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V3.0 

Post#1743 » by Hair Canada » Thu Aug 3, 2023 11:08 am

The discussion of Anthony Bennett as a prospect is today largely colored by what he eventually became. But coming out of college, he was far from just "a bully with no skills". He was a physical specimen, powerful, lengthy, explosive, and very mobile. He was shooting 38% from 3 in college with a nice looking stroke. He had enough skill to blow by bigger and heavier defenders. The main complaints about him were that he had some health issues, was a bit of a twinner, and maybe wasn't the best one-on-one creator. But that only meant that he might not turn out a star and probably not worth the #1 pick. Very few thought he had a low floor. His typical draft projection was in the 3-7 range with #4 as the modal projection.

Just a sample of what was said about him before the draft:

NBADraftRoom (Bennett projected #6): "A more explosive Paul Milsap. Extremely powerful and explosive forward who can step outside and knock down jumpers or take defenders off the dribble. Has very good hands, catches the ball well and can handle the ball well. Very quick with the dribble and can beat his man with spin moves, drop step and a nice step back J. Has excellent form on his jumper and can step out to three point land and knock down jumpers. Very versatile offensive player with a high skill level.

Draftnet (projected #3): "Athletic, long, quick & fast, with a 7’1 wingspan & impressive inch vertical he poses nightmare problems in terms of mismatches."

Bleacher report (projected at #4): "Victor Oladipo's ceiling only reaches Bennett's shoulders."

Draftexpress (projected #7): "Bennett has uncommon scoring ability from the perimeter for a player with his physical gifts.. [and] doesn't have too many weaknesses on paper.

USA Today (projected #4): "Bennett has the look of a poor man's Carmelo Anthony, with natural scoring ability from either forward position."

SB Nation (projected #4): "Player comparison: Paul Millsap. A matchup nightmare for opposing defenses and can continue to be one at the next level. Imposing physical specimen, huge hands, shoulders and mid-section that allows for emphatic slams. Very athletic and imposing frame, giant wingspan at 7-foot-1. One of the most versatile big men you'll see during a freshman campaign in college. Capable of scoring around the paint at a rate of 74% and has developed a faceup midrange shot. Converts one three point attempt per contest. Tremendous ball handler for his position, puts the ball on the floor and creates for himself and others. Doesn't turn the ball over often. Constantly makes mismatches: overpowers smaller defenders, faster than bigger opponents. Adept at drawing fouls when contact is made. Very nice shooting stroke, good release. Extremely efficient and productive. If he played 40 minutes per game he would only turn the ball over twice and would average 26.2 points per game based on this season's stats. Good free throw shooter, averaged 75% on the season. Defensively, has a keen knack of blocking shots, gets his hands on loose balls, has good lateral quickness and great anticipation."
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V3.0 

Post#1744 » by TheFutureMM » Thu Aug 3, 2023 5:23 pm

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Man, all of these SGA quotes got me feeling a certain kind of way. Is this what it's like? To have an all-world basketball player who actually wants to play for OUR national team?

How cool would it be if SGA committed to the program like the Gasol brothers did for Spain or Scola for Argentina?

Can't wait for the tourney to kick-off.

I mean we had Nash but the team around him was nowhere near this good


Yeah, showing my age 100%. Nash was a beast in the late 90s early 00s.

Arguably better and/or more valuable than SGA or Murray.
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Post#1745 » by links135 » Thu Aug 3, 2023 6:07 pm

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Man, all of these SGA quotes got me feeling a certain kind of way. Is this what it's like? To have an all-world basketball player who actually wants to play for OUR national team?

How cool would it be if SGA committed to the program like the Gasol brothers did for Spain or Scola for Argentina?

Can't wait for the tourney to kick-off.

I mean we had Nash but the team around him was nowhere near this good


Yeah, showing my age 100%. Nash was a beast in the late 90s early 00s.

Arguably better and/or more valuable than SGA or Murray.


Well there was only one other NBAer on that 2000 team, Todd McCullough, Winnipegs own, and also RJ Barrets dad.

So it's quite different to have so many good NBA players.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V3.0 

Post#1746 » by Federalies » Fri Aug 4, 2023 1:02 am

Canadians Assemble! 8-)



Who does ESPN think is the US’s greatest challenge? :o

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Post#1747 » by Tor_Raps » Fri Aug 4, 2023 3:25 am

Rumours that Murray may not suit up... I was kinda expecting him to go down the Jokic path... especially considering he's coming off a major injury.

Next summer will be packed with the Olympics too so he might just sit this one out
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Post#1748 » by aminiaturebuddha » Fri Aug 4, 2023 1:26 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:Rumours that Murray may not suit up... I was kinda expecting him to go down the Jokic path... especially considering he's coming off a major injury.

Next summer will be packed with the Olympics too so he might just sit this one out


What are these "rumours" you speak of? Is this anything more than what already has been reported? The interview with him where he said that he wants to play but they're taking it one practice at a time, or the quotes from Team Canada officials where they mention that they're specifically monitoring his workload?

"Rumours" is so vague. If you have any more info, I'm sure we'd all appreciate the news and a bit more specificity.
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Post#1749 » by Tor_Raps » Fri Aug 4, 2023 2:34 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Rumours that Murray may not suit up... I was kinda expecting him to go down the Jokic path... especially considering he's coming off a major injury.

Next summer will be packed with the Olympics too so he might just sit this one out


What are these "rumours" you speak of? Is this anything more than what already has been reported? The interview with him where he said that he wants to play but they're taking it one practice at a time, or the quotes from Team Canada officials where they mention that they're specifically monitoring his workload?

"Rumours" is so vague. If you have any more info, I'm sure we'd all appreciate the news and a bit more specificity.


Ya it was an article that mentioned they are using the medical staff to assess his availability, which didn't sound promising. I hope to hell he plays but I've been waiting for the news that he will sit this one out from my end tbh (personal opinion).
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Post#1750 » by ItsDanger » Fri Aug 4, 2023 3:25 pm

Murray practiced twice in one day which would imply he's serious about participating. He's just behind the curve because he's probably been doing nothing since mid-June to rest. I'd expect him to not play in some of the exhibition games.
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Post#1751 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Aug 4, 2023 4:18 pm

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Post#1752 » by mojo13 » Fri Aug 4, 2023 4:30 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Murray practiced twice in one day which would imply he's serious about participating. He's just behind the curve because he's probably been doing nothing since mid-June to rest. I'd expect him to not play in some of the exhibition games.



I'm here as well. I think he is playing. All signs are showing he really wants to play.

My concern is how prepared and ready he will be when the real games begin. He is a notorious slow starter in the regular season and the first game vs France is near do or die. Tough to envision how he'll be anywhere near "Playoff Murray" unless there is carry over from June.
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Post#1753 » by ItsDanger » Fri Aug 4, 2023 4:40 pm

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ItsDanger wrote:Murray practiced twice in one day which would imply he's serious about participating. He's just behind the curve because he's probably been doing nothing since mid-June to rest. I'd expect him to not play in some of the exhibition games.



I'm here as well. I think he is playing. All signs are showing he really wants to play.

My concern is how prepared and ready he will be when the real games begin. He is a notorious slow starter in the regular season and the first game vs France is near do or die. Tough to envision how he'll be anywhere near "Playoff Murray" unless there is carry over from June.

He's a better 3 pt shooter than SGA. So let SGA be #1 option and play off him. That's really what they need to do anyways on the offensive end. I don't think his perimeter game will be impacted much by the layoff. Midrange and conditioning is another story.
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Post#1754 » by And1Skip » Fri Aug 4, 2023 4:48 pm

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I love Jordi Fernandez and he was my top choice for the Raptors job but initially I thought it was weird for one of the runners up of the Raptors job to get the Canada gig. But after a week into the training camp, I think this is a good thing that it is now apparent that Team Canada is a totally separate entity from the Raptors. Kinda makes it more enjoyable to follow. Its weird that there's literally 0 connections to the Raptors other than them using their facility.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V3.0 

Post#1755 » by Dino-Might » Sun Aug 6, 2023 12:30 pm

Looking at these draws, it is so unfair for Canada’s side of the bracket.

Canada has to beat one of France and Spain to get out of the first two rounds (not to mention Latvia who are underrated). Then their quarterfinals will likely be against Australia or Slovenia.

Meanwhile, the USA just has to deal with Greece without Giannis or Lithuania without Sabonis to get through the first two rounds. Then they either face the Dominican Republic, Italy or Serbia without Jokic in the quarterfinals.

The brackets are way too lopsided.

I am hoping that the tougher competition will toughen Canada for the medal rounds while the USA coasts and gets soft so if they do meet, Canada can be better prepared.
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Post#1756 » by mojo13 » Sun Aug 6, 2023 6:19 pm

Dino-Might wrote:Looking at these draws, it is so unfair for Canada’s side of the bracket.

Canada has to beat one of France and Spain to get out of the first two rounds (not to mention Latvia who are underrated). Then their quarterfinals will likely be against Australia or Slovenia.

Meanwhile, the USA just has to deal with Greece without Giannis or Lithuania without Sabonis to get through the first two rounds. Then they either face the Dominican Republic, Italy or Serbia without Jokic in the quarterfinals.

The brackets are way too lopsided.

I am hoping that the tougher competition will toughen Canada for the medal rounds while the USA coasts and gets soft so if they do meet, Canada can be better prepared.



For sure some "luck of the draw" didn't break Canada's way, but until they get their World Rankiing anywhere near what it theoretically should be, this is more likely to happen than not. Canada's poor ranking forces it into what look like bad draws, becuase we are the bad draw. Trust me...Spain and France are cursing about this as well.

Plus once Indoneisa picked Canada as a host this was pretty much inevitable. We knew back in February Canada was almost certainly going to have a tough draw. I'm well over crying about it at this point.
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Post#1757 » by BilboBanginz » Sun Aug 6, 2023 9:02 pm

Only 14 of 18 players left. If Murray is out they will only have to cut one player.

Also thought Kassius had a decent chance of making the final 12.

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Post#1758 » by bozothepope » Sun Aug 6, 2023 9:10 pm

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The wording on this tweet is confusing. Has Oshae Brissett withdrawn or does he just have a knee issue that they're monitoring?
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Post#1759 » by mojo13 » Sun Aug 6, 2023 9:20 pm

Different wording:
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Still sounds like Brissett is not quite "out". But not sure.

I sort of understand some of these.
Cory got married a few weeks ago. Some rumor of a injury (could be BS). Just changed teams.
Kash just signed with Valencia and will be enterng the EuroLeague for the first time. This is a big step for him. I get it.


neither of these guys are core pieces and possibly not even rotation players.

If Murray still plays, all is good. I'd like to have Brissett there too. We can't expect much of anything from Tommy Scrubb or Melvin Ejim. At best my hope for them is to not get worked over if they are on the floor.
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Post#1760 » by bozothepope » Sun Aug 6, 2023 9:26 pm

Is "withdrawn" and "will not join team" the nice way of saying Cory and Kassius were cut, or should we be looking deeper into it, especially with CoJo?

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