Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated

[Ball4life32]

a 43/35/89 2.5 apg/to PG who is the worst defender in the entire league having to thread defending that he´s underrated show how overrated he is.

But yes, he went to the ECF once.

He has those splits on 26/9/3 career averages and 58 Ts% plus worst defense according to what? Maybe in the past but not anymore.

TS% is a terrible stat to gauge efficiency, it’s only a good stat to gauge how good of a scorer it is. Trae’s TS% is held up by the fact he goes to the free throw line not necessarily he is all that efficient. 26 points per game is terrible if you are shooting 43%. If you don’t think Trae is a terrible defender I don’t think you have watched him play.

Getting to the line is part of the game. 26 points on 19 shots a game isn’t terrible and yes I know he got off to horrible start but he shot 45/37 splits in his last 47 games…..he also had terrible spacing around him this season mainly due to the frontcourt with Collins shooting under 30% from 3 (his shot fell off after his finger injury), non shooter in Capela + two other guys were at 35% or below. And I only mentioned multiple times in this thread he is bad defender….i just don’t think he is the worst defender in the league anymore. Some of his dmetrics improved.

-0.9 DRaptor
-0.5 depm (48th percentile)

[NDaATL]

He has those splits on 26/9/3 career averages and 58 Ts% plus worst defense according to what? Maybe in the past but not anymore.

TS% is a terrible stat to gauge efficiency, it’s only a good stat to gauge how good of a scorer it is. Trae’s TS% is held up by the fact he goes to the free throw line not necessarily he is all that efficient. 26 points per game is terrible if you are shooting 43%. If you don’t think Trae is a terrible defender I don’t think you have watched him play.

Getting to the line is part of the game. 26 points on 19 shots a game isn’t terrible and yes I know he got off to horrible start but he shot 45/37 splits in his last 47 games…..he also had terrible spacing around him this season mainly due to the frontcourt with Collins shooting under 30% from 3 (his shot fell off after his finger injury), non shooter in Capela + two other guys were at 35% or below. And I only mentioned multiple times in this thread he is bad defender….i just don’t think he is the worst defender in the league anymore. Some of his dmetrics improved.

-0.9 DRaptor
-0.5 depm (48th percentile)

Trae wasn't close to the worst defender in the league last year. But it will take a while to shed that image b/c he deserved it early on. He got a lot better on D this past year. But noone pays attention to the Hawks so they wouldn't know.

[Rainwater]

He has those splits on 26/9/3 career averages and 58 Ts% plus worst defense according to what? Maybe in the past but not anymore.

TS% is a terrible stat to gauge efficiency, it’s only a good stat to gauge how good of a scorer it is. Trae’s TS% is held up by the fact he goes to the free throw line not necessarily he is all that efficient. 26 points per game is terrible if you are shooting 43%. If you don’t think Trae is a terrible defender I don’t think you have watched him play.

Getting to the line is part of the game. 26 points on 19 shots a game isn’t terrible and yes I know he got off to horrible start but he shot 45/37 splits in his last 47 games…..he also had terrible spacing around him this season mainly due to the frontcourt with Collins shooting under 30% from 3 (his shot fell off after his finger injury), non shooter in Capela + two other guys were at 35% or below. And I only mentioned multiple times in this thread he is bad defender….i just don’t think he is the worst defender in the league anymore. Some of his dmetrics improved.

-0.9 DRaptor
-0.5 depm (48th percentile)

I didn’t say getting to the free throw line wasn’t part of the game, I said ts% is a terrible way to gauge efficiency from the field. Trae is pretty much has a 43% percent FG avg he has only had one season where has shoot over 45% percent in the 5 years he has been in the league. Trae may not be the worst defender in the league but the dude is still bad.

[NDaATL]

And what happens if Morant has a big year, causes no issues and wants to play to help rehabilitate his image? He’s a better player than Trae

In what way is Ja a better player than Trae? More flash?

Trae is the better shooter, scorer, passer, playmaker. Is the gap THAT big defensively?

[azcatz11]

Trae is a negative player. He’s basically a very poor man’s Iverson. I was so disgusted watching the hawks in the playoffs. Him and Murray suck

[NDaATL]

TS% is a terrible stat to gauge efficiency, it’s only a good stat to gauge how good of a scorer it is. Trae’s TS% is held up by the fact he goes to the free throw line not necessarily he is all that efficient. 26 points per game is terrible if you are shooting 43%. If you don’t think Trae is a terrible defender I don’t think you have watched him play.

Getting to the line is part of the game. 26 points on 19 shots a game isn’t terrible and yes I know he got off to horrible start but he shot 45/37 splits in his last 47 games…..he also had terrible spacing around him this season mainly due to the frontcourt with Collins shooting under 30% from 3 (his shot fell off after his finger injury), non shooter in Capela + two other guys were at 35% or below. And I only mentioned multiple times in this thread he is bad defender….i just don’t think he is the worst defender in the league anymore. Some of his dmetrics improved.

-0.9 DRaptor
-0.5 depm (48th percentile)

I didn’t say getting to the free throw line wasn’t part of the game, I said ts% is a terrible way to gauge efficiency from the field. Trae is pretty much has a 43% percent FG avg he has only had one season where has shoot over 45% percent in the 5 years he has been in the league. Trae may not be the worst defender in the league but the dude is still bad.

Why is TS% a terrible gauge of efficiency? Getting fouled and making 2 free throws is the same (or possibly better) than making a layup. It also puts the other team in foul trouble, gets your team in the bonus faster.

If Shaq could shoot FTs, how much better of a scorer would he have been?

TS% is a GREAT way of measuring overall scoring efficiency.

[dockingsched]

I’ll preface this by saying that the mere existence of this thread means Trae Young is still overrated.

Having said that, wish fans would stop using his 3pt% and ts% to gauge how good of a shooter he is. Those stats rely heavily on shot quality, lumping together every shot as if it’s the same level of difficulty.

Trae is obviously a really good elite shooter, you’d have to be blind to not see that. His inefficient numbers are more a reflection of his shot selection and the types of shots the offensive scheme and defensive strategy allows.

And that stuff is heavily dependent on your coach, the roster around you, and your own bball iq.

Please take a more nuanced view, analyzing specific shot types, don’t use these stats that all shots together.

[hoosierdaddy34]

You think these dudes never been to Paris?

Im not even talking about Trae btw. I was just looking at your list of locks and thinking half of them are likely not locks.

I think you are a little crazy if you don’t think the Olympics in Paris is a bigger deal than most Olympics. I think it definitely is a bigger draw to guys.

They are locks if they choose to play. Undoubtedly they are locks. They sure as hell aren’t getting left off the team if they say they are playing. That’s the very definition of “a lock”. The spot is theirs if they want it.

And frankly dude, you don’t know what these guys are thinking. Foolish if you are going to blindly predict who is and who isn’t going to play. You definitely don’t know.

So it's okay for you to know who is playing but not for me.

Goodbye!

Well again thats reading comprehension on your part. I said 10 locks to be asked but let’s say 8 of them play. I was up front that not all of them were going to play where as you came in like a 12 year old stating who wasn’t going to play like you were their best friend. So just own it, you didn’t read what I wrote very well and responded anyways and got caught.

[hoosierdaddy34]

And what happens if Morant has a big year, causes no issues and wants to play to help rehabilitate his image? He’s a better player than Trae

In what way is Ja a better player than Trae? More flash?

Trae is the better shooter, scorer, passer, playmaker. Is the gap THAT big defensively?

Scorer and playmaker is a questionable statement.

[meekrab]

a 43/35/89 2.5 apg/to PG who is the worst defender in the entire league having to thread defending that he´s underrated show how overrated he is.

But yes, he went to the ECF once.

He has those splits on 26/9/3 career averages and 58 Ts% plus worst defense according to what? Maybe in the past but not anymore.

TS% is a terrible stat to gauge efficiency, it’s only a good stat to gauge how good of a scorer it is.

Are these not the exact same thing? Being good at scoring is scoring efficiently.

[SkyBill40]

Look how stunning Young was in 2021-22....
.460 field, .382 threes and 8.0 attempts per game!
I know Young averages 4 turnovers per game, but Steve Nash averaged 3.6 during his last 7 years in Phoenix....
And young averages only about 1 less assist than Nash and 10ppg more than Nash.

Nash was Trash

Just stop, dude. Unless you enjoy making yourself an example of what's widely known as one of "those" posters. It's not a compliment, either.

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[azcatz11]

Look how stunning Young was in 2021-22....
.460 field, .382 threes and 8.0 attempts per game!
I know Young averages 4 turnovers per game, but Steve Nash averaged 3.6 during his last 7 years in Phoenix....
And young averages only about 1 less assist than Nash and 10ppg more than Nash.

Nash was Trash

Just stop, dude. Unless you enjoy making yourself an example of what's widely known as one of "those" posters. It's not a compliment, either.

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I don’t understand how you can watch TY and think he’s a good player

[SkyBill40]

Nash was Trash

Just stop, dude. Unless you enjoy making yourself an example of what's widely known as one of "those" posters. It's not a compliment, either.

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I don’t understand how you can watch TY and think he’s a good player

I never said that. I was more talking to the point of the "Nash is trash" comment.

Dude is next level asinine for some of the stuff he's tossed about in here.

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[Pablo Escobar]

He's a tiny chucker who can't play defense.

[CS707]

I don’t watch enough Trae Young to comment specifically on him but calling a guy top 30 is basically like saying he’s the worst best player on a team, which is a pretty funny brag.

[Ball4life32]

Nash was Trash

Just stop, dude. Unless you enjoy making yourself an example of what's widely known as one of "those" posters. It's not a compliment, either.

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I don’t understand how you can watch TY and think he’s a good player

Shocked considering you claimed he was a 6th man, I doubt you watch many of the games. If Trae wasn’t good hawks arent a playoff team or sniff an ECF. Also he was talking about Nash not Trae.

He's a tiny chucker who can't play defense.

Tiny chuckers average 26/9/3 for their career on 58 ts%. Hawks a playoff team 3 year in row with him as the #1 and dude is only 24….you would think they were bottom 5 team for how he’s described… inefficient tiny chucker that plays zero defense, turns the ball over and just isn’t very good. But also he’s overrated. How low does he have to rank to be labeled underrated or properly ranked? It seems most in this thread don’t rate him high.

[SkyBill40]

Just stop, dude. Unless you enjoy making yourself an example of what's widely known as one of "those" posters. It's not a compliment, either.

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I don’t understand how you can watch TY and think he’s a good player

Shocked considering you claimed he was a 6th man, I doubt you watch many of the games. If Trae wasn’t good hawks arent a playoff team or sniff an ECF. Also he was talking about Nash not Trae.

Exactly.

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[SkyBill40]

He has those splits on 26/9/3 career averages and 58 Ts% plus worst defense according to what? Maybe in the past but not anymore.

TS% is a terrible stat to gauge efficiency, it’s only a good stat to gauge how good of a scorer it is.

Are these not the exact same thing? Being good at scoring is scoring efficiently.

Uh, no. Effectively and efficiently are not the same. Young is a volume scorer, not an efficient one by any stretch.

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[Ito]

Wow this roster is trash.. how Edwards and Banchero your best players.. they not even ready to carry their own teams in the league but are expected to carry an Olympic team.. This gota be a joke.. I’m watchin the game right now against PR this team worse than a rising stars rookies vs sophomores all star game.. these players are really lacking with the whole not wanting to participate in this event.. I miss when everyone knew the USA couldn’t be touched in the World Cup

[azcatz11]

Just stop, dude. Unless you enjoy making yourself an example of what's widely known as one of "those" posters. It's not a compliment, either.

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I don’t understand how you can watch TY and think he’s a good player

Shocked considering you claimed he was a 6th man, I doubt you watch many of the games. If Trae wasn’t good hawks arent a playoff team or sniff an ECF. Also he was talking about Nash not Trae.

He's a tiny chucker who can't play defense.

Tiny chuckers average 26/9/3 for their career on 58 ts%. Hawks a playoff team 3 year in row with him as the #1 and dude is only 24….you would think they were bottom 5 team for how he’s described… inefficient tiny chucker that plays zero defense, turns the ball over and just isn’t very good. But also he’s overrated. How low does he have to rank to be labeled underrated or properly ranked? It seems most in this thread don’t rate him high.

You’re going to be talking about that ECF run in 10 years when that’s the farthest he ever gets…