We love Franz but are we underrating him still?

[Knightro]

Excluding guards is silly since no "not guard"data is used ( and ofc, by default list because more exlusive than it is, if you know Maxey, Haliburton, Garland all achived this two years ago).
And list , for whatever reason also forgot Lauri and Towns.

Markkanen didn't do it fwiw. He shot .434, .430 and .425 his first three seasons in the NBA - under the .450 threshold for the stat.

Towns did it, but he's a center.

The excluded guards because A. the stat is about forwards only and B. because theoretically it's easier for guards to accomplish this than it is for forwards.

[eyriq]

Great post, OP! We've got two in Paolo and Franz. The Core.

If we also hit on one of Black, Suggs, or Jett?

[davey_wavy]

Read on Twitter

Raptors fans still claim Barnes is better by a mile.

[pepe1991]

Excluding guards is silly since no "not guard"data is used ( and ofc, by default list because more exlusive than it is, if you know Maxey, Haliburton, Garland all achived this two years ago).
And list , for whatever reason also forgot Lauri and Towns.

Markkanen didn't do it fwiw. He shot .434, .430 and .425 his first three seasons in the NBA - under the .450 threshold for the stat.

Towns did it, but he's a center.

The excluded guards because A. the stat is about forwards only and B. because theoretically it's easier for guards to accomplish this than it is for forwards.

lol

I thought positions don't exist any more, it seems they only exist when it's convinient

Towns was "center" who just happened to play with "power forward" who was 7 foot tall, didn't shoot from perimeter , was tasked to defend pick&roll, block shots and rebounds. And who was center his entire life before and after.
Dirk was also part time center at 21.


How execlly it's easier for guard to achive it when you have guys who are all time greats like Lillard, Kobe, Harden etc who's career numbers are below .45% FG? And best shooter in basketball history has career FG% slightly above that? (47%).

They excluded guards because list wouldn't look that impressive if somebody who is NBA nobody like Colin Sexton can achive it.



Anyhow, "list" is made to fit Franz with other all time greats to showcase him in good light, that's whole point of existence XYteams muse twitter.

Franz is very good player, but not because he fits this imaginary list, but because he is.

[JoshuaPotter]

No.

[Residual-Heat]

Read on Twitter

Raptors fans still claim Barnes is better by a mile.

"he has better BBIQ" apparently.
I guess being a good with the ball and off-ball while also being a good defender doesnt require BBIQ

[Knightro]

lol

I thought positions don't exist any more, it seems they only exist when it's convinient

Towns was "center" who just happened to play with "power forward" who was 7 foot tall, didn't shoot from perimeter , was tasked to defend pick&roll, block shots and rebounds. And who was center his entire life before and after.
Dirk was also part time center at 21.

How execlly it's easier for guard to achive it when you have guys who are all time greats like Lillard, Kobe, Harden etc who's career numbers are below .45% FG? And best shooter in basketball history has career FG% slightly above that? (47%).

They excluded guards because list wouldn't look that impressive if somebody who is NBA nobody like Colin Sexton can achive it.

Anyhow, "list" is made to fit Franz with other all time greats to showcase him in good light, that's whole point of existence XYteams muse twitter.

Franz is very good player, but not because he fits this imaginary list, but because he is.

It's ok to just have fun sometimes, ya know?

Not everything has to be analyzed like it's a life or death statement.

[jezzerinho]

lol

I thought positions don't exist any more, it seems they only exist when it's convinient

Towns was "center" who just happened to play with "power forward" who was 7 foot tall, didn't shoot from perimeter , was tasked to defend pick&roll, block shots and rebounds. And who was center his entire life before and after.
Dirk was also part time center at 21.

How execlly it's easier for guard to achive it when you have guys who are all time greats like Lillard, Kobe, Harden etc who's career numbers are below .45% FG? And best shooter in basketball history has career FG% slightly above that? (47%).

They excluded guards because list wouldn't look that impressive if somebody who is NBA nobody like Colin Sexton can achive it.

Anyhow, "list" is made to fit Franz with other all time greats to showcase him in good light, that's whole point of existence XYteams muse twitter.

Franz is very good player, but not because he fits this imaginary list, but because he is.

It's ok to just have fun sometimes, ya know?

Not everything has to be analyzed like it's a life or death statement.

In pepe's case, it's always a death or death statement.

[pepe1991]

lol

I thought positions don't exist any more, it seems they only exist when it's convinient

Towns was "center" who just happened to play with "power forward" who was 7 foot tall, didn't shoot from perimeter , was tasked to defend pick&roll, block shots and rebounds. And who was center his entire life before and after.
Dirk was also part time center at 21.

How execlly it's easier for guard to achive it when you have guys who are all time greats like Lillard, Kobe, Harden etc who's career numbers are below .45% FG? And best shooter in basketball history has career FG% slightly above that? (47%).

They excluded guards because list wouldn't look that impressive if somebody who is NBA nobody like Colin Sexton can achive it.

Anyhow, "list" is made to fit Franz with other all time greats to showcase him in good light, that's whole point of existence XYteams muse twitter.

Franz is very good player, but not because he fits this imaginary list, but because he is.

It's ok to just have fun sometimes, ya know?

Not everything has to be analyzed like it's a life or death statement.

In pepe's case, it's always a death or death statement.

[Orlando Dawg]

He’s actually overrated (to Magic fans).
He needs to not be intimidated and play better D.
He’ll certainly get better though.

[drsd]

He’s actually overrated (to Magic fans).
He needs to not be intimidated and play better D.
He’ll certainly get better though.

By PER, F-Wagner was the NBA's 15th best SF last year. That sounds about correct.

I think questions on this board are if he can be a top-10 SF this season. It is plausible.

F-Wagner will not be a top-5 SF, as that list is owned by two robots: Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard, and three future Hall of Famers: LeBron James, Jayson Tatum, and DeMar DeRozan.

But look at 6 and below: Brandon Ingram, Paul Reed, Isaiah Jackson, Bojan Bogdanovic, Khris Middleton, MIL, and on and on.

F-Wagner's upside this season is to be the NBA's 6th best SF. It's a lot to ask, but I for one think he will rank in the top-10 at the season's end.

[HighPack]

Franz and Larry Bird have some similiriaties. I'm just saying.

[RookieStar]

Franz and Larry Bird have some similiriaties. I'm just saying.

6'9ish Blond Caucasians?

[Max Power]

I certainly think Franz could be underrated, BUT not by a lot, I don’t underrate him, I think he’s every bit the player Paolo is skill wise, with Paolo having some natural physical advantages being the one thing you could point to as the major difference in star potential. I think both guys are equally important to the franchise future and I see Franz as a top 5 sf in the league in a few years.

[KillMonger]

Watch on YouTube

we're spoiled man....this kid is just scratching the surface and he's already at such a high level at his age

[davey_wavy]

Definitely not underrating his lip reading game

https://youtube.com/shorts/YGPeZayVlY8?si=9r26EFqT0cR7g97u

[zaymon]

We are kind of fairly rating FWagner, overrating Banchero and underrating WCJ imo.

[jezzerinho]

We are kind of fairly rating FWagner, overrating Banchero and underrating WCJ imo.

I'd say we're underrating Franz, overeating Paolo.( as he is today) and fairly rating.WCJ

[drsd]

Now in Thailand and can follow some of this very interesting YouTubes!

[KillMonger]

We are kind of fairly rating FWagner, overrating Banchero and underrating WCJ imo.

don't understand this one....what is this based off of?