Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[ForeverTFC]

I think at this point it's basically a kneejerk reaction from JRoy to just shut down Rap trades lol

There's absolutely ZERO reason why it would be a "bad move" to trade for him assuming he'd sign an extension. There's no overlap & gives those young guys a leader on the defensive end to learn from. POR's other options are basically at overlapping positions. All bias aside I would absolutely welcome a trade for OG vs Herro when there's already 2 really good young SGs they need to play.

Raptors would consider what he's turning down as an overpay. It's pretty amusing.

He also clearly doesn't understand how the cap works.

[docholliday99]

No reason to take a hit on a trade but need to be realistic.

Ok what combination of gt2 siakam og barnes and jakob isnt the perfect supporting cast for a star scorer?

Assume gt2 and barnes improve and 2 ir three out of achiuwa, dick, flynn, harper, etc put up solid per 36 stat.

And we have all our future picks.

We can build an all in package for a star scorer and support them perfectly.

Why on earth would we rebuild, just to get back here 6 years from now.

You don’t have all your picks though, do you?

Doesn’t your pick go to SA this year if it is 6 or lower?

You're correct, Raps don't have an available frp to trade till 2028

[bballsparkin]

TOR needs a good lead guard to do some damage.

That’s not Schroeder, he is trash.

Shroeder is not trash. An overpaid bench player sure. But not trash.

[bballsparkin]

What's Portland doing in FA that makes OG such a horrible contract to pay lol. Ya'll getting Giannis or Tatum in FA ?

Your young guys will be on rookie contracts for the next 3-4 years. By the time you have to pay them OG's contract will be done.

Well it's not like OG is going to take a discount to stay with a rebuilding Blazers. And they have Grant. I love OG but I wouldn't want him as a key piece coming back if I was a Blazers fan.

[JRoy]

The reason this Portland fan denigrates OG's impact is the same reason Portland could never get over the hump with Lillard. Cant have a lineup full of mediocre to below average defenders, but even worse, can't even appreciate why the team fails.

Straw man.

Never said that. OG is a fine player but he is a defensive role player who needs to play off a star to thrive in a catch and shoot role because he is terrible at everything else on offense.

On defense he is elite, with some switchability; a very nice player.

But trading a star (Lillard) for a high end role player (OG) never works out well.

OG cannot be the center piece in a Lillard deal. He is looking to get paid as a UFA.

The idea that I am rebutting these trade ideas to spite TOR are ridiculous. I am rebutting them because they are good only for TOR.

[JRoy]

What's Portland doing in FA that makes OG such a horrible contract to pay lol. Ya'll getting Giannis or Tatum in FA ?

Your young guys will be on rookie contracts for the next 3-4 years. By the time you have to pay them OG's contract will be done.

Got it; it’s ok to overpay a roleplayer because POR won’t be signing an MVP candidate.

I remain unconvinced.

[HumbleRen]

What's Portland doing in FA that makes OG such a horrible contract to pay lol. Ya'll getting Giannis or Tatum in FA ?

Your young guys will be on rookie contracts for the next 3-4 years. By the time you have to pay them OG's contract will be done.

Well it's not like OG is going to take a discount to stay with a rebuilding Blazers. And they have Grant. I love OG but I wouldn't want him as a key piece coming back if I was a Blazers fan.

Then they can enjoy Herro.

There’s no bidding war for Dame lol. If teams wanted him, they would of went for him.

[HumbleRen]

What's Portland doing in FA that makes OG such a horrible contract to pay lol. Ya'll getting Giannis or Tatum in FA ?

Your young guys will be on rookie contracts for the next 3-4 years. By the time you have to pay them OG's contract will be done.

Got it; it’s ok to overpay a roleplayer because POR won’t be signing an MVP candidate.

I remain unconvinced.

I mean considering that role player would be the best player on your team, that ain’t too bad of an investment.

[bballsparkin]

Then they can enjoy Herro.

There’s no bidding war for Dame lol. If teams wanted him, they would of went for him.

Miami can make a fair offer. I imagine Herro can be moved later.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

What's Portland doing in FA that makes OG such a horrible contract to pay lol. Ya'll getting Giannis or Tatum in FA ?

Your young guys will be on rookie contracts for the next 3-4 years. By the time you have to pay them OG's contract will be done.

Well it's not like OG is going to take a discount to stay with a rebuilding Blazers. And they have Grant. I love OG but I wouldn't want him as a key piece coming back if I was a Blazers fan.

Then they can enjoy Herro.

There’s no bidding war for Dame lol. If teams wanted him, they would of went for him.

I got a feeling it's not that simple.

[KrazyP]

I don’t expect a great offer.

I expect an offer that isnt a three curled steamie.

Ok, what is the best offer you expect to get from any of the above mentioned teams?

Can you at least attempt to answer this question?

I still havent recieved any response to my question....

Perhaps your silence means you realize Lillard has extremely limited trade value and waiting isnt going to increase his trade value like you suggested.

[JRoy]

Ok, what is the best offer you expect to get from any of the above mentioned teams?

Can you at least attempt to answer this question?

I still havent recieved any response to my question....

Perhaps your silence means you realize Lillard has extremely limited trade value and waiting isnt going to increase his trade value like you suggested.

I respond to a lot of people; if I overlook a message it’s not intentional.

I would like Ben Simmons and FRP.

[Pointgod]

Ok what combination of gt2 siakam og barnes and jakob isnt the perfect supporting cast for a star scorer?

Assume gt2 and barnes improve and 2 ir three out of achiuwa, dick, flynn, harper, etc put up solid per 36 stat.

And we have all our future picks.

We can build an all in package for a star scorer and support them perfectly.

Why on earth would we rebuild, just to get back here 6 years from now.

You don’t have all your picks though, do you?

Doesn’t your pick go to SA this year if it is 6 or lower?

You're correct, Raps don't have an available frp to trade till 2028

Raptors could go to the Spurs and remove protections on the Poeltl trade, but they’d have to add in some type of sweetener (like a future pick swap).

[docholliday99]

You don’t have all your picks though, do you?

Doesn’t your pick go to SA this year if it is 6 or lower?

You're correct, Raps don't have an available frp to trade till 2028

Raptors could go to the Spurs and remove protections on the Poeltl trade, but they’d have to add in some type of sweetener (like a future pick swap).

Absolutely. I suggested that once when looking at a trade (as a player like Dame you would think the Raps would be better than a 24th team in the league) but the furor and posts with **** in them were not in favor of it

[Tacoma]

You're correct, Raps don't have an available frp to trade till 2028

Raptors could go to the Spurs and remove protections on the Poeltl trade, but they’d have to add in some type of sweetener (like a future pick swap).

Absolutely. I suggested that once when looking at a trade (as a player like Dame you would think the Raps would be better than a 24th team in the league) but the furor and posts with **** in them were not in favor of it

You guys are dreaming if you think it'll only be a sweetener like a swap!

If we don't get Dame, they stand a decent chance of getting a 7-12 range lottery pick. If we trade for Dame, we're not finishing bottom 6 and our 2024 pick will be conveyed to SAS worth much less, somewhere in the 20-something pick range.

Huge difference in draft capital, why would they want to help us get Dame? They will surely ask for more than just a sweetener.

[Drakeem]

The reason this Portland fan denigrates OG's impact is the same reason Portland could never get over the hump with Lillard. Cant have a lineup full of mediocre to below average defenders, but even worse, can't even appreciate why the team fails.

Straw man.

Never said that. OG is a fine player but he is a defensive role player who needs to play off a star to thrive in a catch and shoot role because he is terrible at everything else on offense.

On defense he is elite, with some switchability; a very nice player.

But trading a star (Lillard) for a high end role player (OG) never works out well.

OG cannot be the center piece in a Lillard deal. He is looking to get paid as a UFA.

The idea that I am rebutting these trade ideas to spite TOR are ridiculous. I am rebutting them because they are good only for TOR.

I don't get it though. Can't you just use the same logic as the Grant signing and just flip him down the road for even more assets? The road doesn't end with just having OG. If the rumors are true, that's another potential 3 FRPs you can nab. I don't think Herro gets you the same.

[docholliday99]

Raptors could go to the Spurs and remove protections on the Poeltl trade, but they’d have to add in some type of sweetener (like a future pick swap).

Absolutely. I suggested that once when looking at a trade (as a player like Dame you would think the Raps would be better than a 24th team in the league) but the furor and posts with **** in them were not in favor of it

You guys are dreaming if you think it'll only be a sweetener like a swap!

If we don't get Dame, they stand a decent chance of getting a 7-12 range lottery pick. If we trade for Dame, we're not finishing bottom 6 and our 2024 pick will be conveyed to SAS worth much less, somewhere in the 20-something pick range.

Huge difference in draft capital, why would they want to help us get Dame? They will surely ask for more than just a sweetener.

Well, tbh, I'm not dreaming of bringing in Dame so it's a non issue for me but as for the Spurs, your point makes a lot of sense. Back to the Raptors, we just don't have the right combination of players/draft capital that would be appealing enough for the Blazers, unless we're bringing in a third team.

[Tha Cynic]

What's Portland doing in FA that makes OG such a horrible contract to pay lol. Ya'll getting Giannis or Tatum in FA ?

Your young guys will be on rookie contracts for the next 3-4 years. By the time you have to pay them OG's contract will be done.

Got it; it’s ok to overpay a roleplayer because POR won’t be signing an MVP candidate.

I remain unconvinced.

There are different levels to players in roles. You're talking as if one role player is the same as another.

Example, when the Warriors won their last championship, Klay Thompson was very much a role player, and was taking up 20% of the team's cap. MPJ took up 24% of Denver's cap last season.

The salary cap does rise. OG is considered elite in his role. Someone will pay a huge sum for him and he's the type of player who will fit a team with championship aspirations. Maybe Portland isn't at a stage where they need someone like him, but he definitely fits a need for Portland to be a good team.

[docholliday99]

The reason this Portland fan denigrates OG's impact is the same reason Portland could never get over the hump with Lillard. Cant have a lineup full of mediocre to below average defenders, but even worse, can't even appreciate why the team fails.

Straw man.

Never said that. OG is a fine player but he is a defensive role player who needs to play off a star to thrive in a catch and shoot role because he is terrible at everything else on offense.

On defense he is elite, with some switchability; a very nice player.

But trading a star (Lillard) for a high end role player (OG) never works out well.

OG cannot be the center piece in a Lillard deal. He is looking to get paid as a UFA.

The idea that I am rebutting these trade ideas to spite TOR are ridiculous. I am rebutting them because they are good only for TOR.

I don't get it though. Can't you just use the same logic as the Grant signing and just flip him down the road for even more assets? The road doesn't end with just having OG. If the rumors are true, that's another potential 3 FRPs you can nab. I don't think Herro gets you the same.

That was rumored for the past trade deadline and are probably not on the table now. The other part of the rumor is the Raps actually preferred a young talent in return with a couple picks - no one was giving up young talent but they were willing to give up their low level frps. I can see why the Blazers wouldn't want to gamble that way and why should they?

[JRoy]

What's Portland doing in FA that makes OG such a horrible contract to pay lol. Ya'll getting Giannis or Tatum in FA ?

Your young guys will be on rookie contracts for the next 3-4 years. By the time you have to pay them OG's contract will be done.

Got it; it’s ok to overpay a roleplayer because POR won’t be signing an MVP candidate.

I remain unconvinced.

There are different levels to players in roles. You're talking as if one role player is the same as another.

Example, when the Warriors won their last championship, Klay Thompson was very much a role player, and was taking up 20% of the team's cap. MPJ took up 24% of Denver's cap last season.

The salary cap does rise. OG is considered elite in his role. Someone will pay a huge sum for him and he's the type of player who will fit a team with championship aspirations. Maybe Portland isn't at a stage where they need someone like him, but he definitely fits a need for Portland to be a good team.

That’s fair.

OG is a fine player but he isn’t what POR needs at this time.