Free Agency & Trades Rumours Thread 3

[Tor_Raps]

Harden would be a great fit on this team since we severely lack a true playmaker. You add his shooting and it would be great to get him for a package of Trent + Boucher + Flynn + Picks.

Harden/ Schroder
OG/ Dick
Barnes/ McDaniels
Siakam/ Porter
Poeltl/ Precious/ Koloko

[tecumseh18]

Trent Jr., Thad, OPJ, Flynn and a 1st would be my final offer.

All expiring contracts so Sixers maintain their cap space for next summer as well.

OK, I withdraw my offer of OG. But if Gary is the "big piece" going out, we'd probably have to give the Sixers 2 FRPs.

[Pointgod]

Harden would be a great fit on this team since we severely lack a true playmaker. You add his shooting and it would be great to get him for a package of Trent + Boucher + Flynn + Picks.

Harden/ Schroder
OG/ Dick
Barnes/ McDaniels
Siakam/ Porter
Poeltl/ Precious/ Koloko

The problem is that we can’t resign Harden so unless we’re trading him simply for an expiring contract I don’t know how it makes sense. We don’t have a top of bad contracts to get off of and we don’t have a pick to trade until 2028 because of the brilliant Spurs trade….

Plus Morey is a scheming, conniving bitch. If he was going to trade Harden for expirings, he’d be a Clipper right now.

[MiamiSPX]

Harden would be a great fit on this team since we severely lack a true playmaker. You add his shooting and it would be great to get him for a package of Trent + Boucher + Flynn + Picks.

Harden/ Schroder
OG/ Dick
Barnes/ McDaniels
Siakam/ Porter
Poeltl/ Precious/ Koloko

He's fat again this summer and will report out of shape. Then if the season doesn't go the way he wants, or he's just not happy in general, he will ask out in a few months. No thanks.

[Raptorfan2012]

Harden would be a great fit on this team since we severely lack a true playmaker. You add his shooting and it would be great to get him for a package of Trent + Boucher + Flynn + Picks.

Harden/ Schroder
OG/ Dick
Barnes/ McDaniels
Siakam/ Porter
Poeltl/ Precious/ Koloko

The problem is that we can’t resign Harden so unless we’re trading him simply for an expiring contract I don’t know how it makes sense. We don’t have a top of bad contracts to get off of and we don’t have a pick to trade until 2028 because of the brilliant Spurs trade….

Plus Morey is a scheming, conniving bitch. If he was going to trade Harden for expirings, he’d be a Clipper right now.

We don't get his Bird rights if we trade for Harden?

[Ackshun]

Harden would be a great fit on this team since we severely lack a true playmaker. You add his shooting and it would be great to get him for a package of Trent + Boucher + Flynn + Picks.

Harden/ Schroder
OG/ Dick
Barnes/ McDaniels
Siakam/ Porter
Poeltl/ Precious/ Koloko

The problem is that we can’t resign Harden so unless we’re trading him simply for an expiring contract I don’t know how it makes sense. We don’t have a top of bad contracts to get off of and we don’t have a pick to trade until 2028 because of the brilliant Spurs trade….

Plus Morey is a scheming, conniving bitch. If he was going to trade Harden for expirings, he’d be a Clipper right now.

We don't get his Bird rights if we trade for Harden?

Not a cap guy but I think a player has to play three years with his team. The birds right kicks in and would follow him via trade.

Unrelated, but I hope one day, I have such an impact in my organization that they a rule after me.

Edit - https://hoopshype.com/2018/10/10/nba-bird-rights/

[billy_hoyle]

Harden would be a great fit on this team since we severely lack a true playmaker. You add his shooting and it would be great to get him for a package of Trent + Boucher + Flynn + Picks.

Harden/ Schroder
OG/ Dick
Barnes/ McDaniels
Siakam/ Porter
Poeltl/ Precious/ Koloko

The problem is that we can’t resign Harden so unless we’re trading him simply for an expiring contract I don’t know how it makes sense. We don’t have a top of bad contracts to get off of and we don’t have a pick to trade until 2028 because of the brilliant Spurs trade….

Plus Morey is a scheming, conniving bitch. If he was going to trade Harden for expirings, he’d be a Clipper right now.

We don't get his Bird rights if we trade for Harden?

Of course we do. He's implying we can't resign him because of the OG and Siakam raises? Right?

[billy_hoyle]

Harden would be a great fit on this team since we severely lack a true playmaker. You add his shooting and it would be great to get him for a package of Trent + Boucher + Flynn + Picks.

Harden/ Schroder
OG/ Dick
Barnes/ McDaniels
Siakam/ Porter
Poeltl/ Precious/ Koloko

The problem is that we can’t resign Harden so unless we’re trading him simply for an expiring contract I don’t know how it makes sense. We don’t have a top of bad contracts to get off of and we don’t have a pick to trade until 2028 because of the brilliant Spurs trade….

Plus Morey is a scheming, conniving bitch. If he was going to trade Harden for expirings, he’d be a Clipper right now.

Remove the protections for this year. The pick won't be terrible if we get Harden without giving up anything huge from our roster.

[Pointgod]

Harden would be a great fit on this team since we severely lack a true playmaker. You add his shooting and it would be great to get him for a package of Trent + Boucher + Flynn + Picks.

Harden/ Schroder
OG/ Dick
Barnes/ McDaniels
Siakam/ Porter
Poeltl/ Precious/ Koloko

The problem is that we can’t resign Harden so unless we’re trading him simply for an expiring contract I don’t know how it makes sense. We don’t have a top of bad contracts to get off of and we don’t have a pick to trade until 2028 because of the brilliant Spurs trade….

Plus Morey is a scheming, conniving bitch. If he was going to trade Harden for expirings, he’d be a Clipper right now.

We don't get his Bird rights if we trade for Harden?

Nope. Because he extended and opted in any team that trades for him won’t have his bird rights. Also why the criticism of the Clippers not trading an arm and a leg for him has never made sense. They’d have to resign Harden, George and Kawhi with cap space. Morey is posturing because he doesn’t have a strong case value wise.

[Pointgod]

Harden would be a great fit on this team since we severely lack a true playmaker. You add his shooting and it would be great to get him for a package of Trent + Boucher + Flynn + Picks.

Harden/ Schroder
OG/ Dick
Barnes/ McDaniels
Siakam/ Porter
Poeltl/ Precious/ Koloko

The problem is that we can’t resign Harden so unless we’re trading him simply for an expiring contract I don’t know how it makes sense. We don’t have a top of bad contracts to get off of and we don’t have a pick to trade until 2028 because of the brilliant Spurs trade….

Plus Morey is a scheming, conniving bitch. If he was going to trade Harden for expirings, he’d be a Clipper right now.

Remove the protections for this year. The pick won't be terrible if we get Harden without giving up anything huge from our roster.

We’ll have to throw in a sweetener to get the Spurs to remove the protections because they want us to have the worse pick possible and getting Harden makes us an infinitely better team.

[billy_hoyle]

The problem is that we can’t resign Harden so unless we’re trading him simply for an expiring contract I don’t know how it makes sense. We don’t have a top of bad contracts to get off of and we don’t have a pick to trade until 2028 because of the brilliant Spurs trade….

Plus Morey is a scheming, conniving bitch. If he was going to trade Harden for expirings, he’d be a Clipper right now.

We don't get his Bird rights if we trade for Harden?

Nope. Because he extended and opted in any team that trades for him won’t have his bird rights. Also why the criticism of the Clippers not trading an arm and a leg for him has never made sense. They’d have to resign Harden, George and Kawhi with cap space. Morey is posturing because he doesn’t have a strong case value wise.

Sorry why won't we have his bird rights?

I thought that he was not extension eligible, due the opt in on an existing extension.

What about his ext, and opt in negates bird rights?

[planetmars]

Harden will still have his Bird Rights if traded. He has never hit free agency as a UFA. Ever since he's been drafted with OKC, he's been traded, and then extended. His Bird Rights have never been released or renounced.

You don't need to sign a 3 year deal to get Bird Rights. You can sign three 1 year deals and get Bird Rights. And those rights get moved with him on trades.

See Q32 here:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[Potential]

Harden needs to accept a minimum contract and a bench role or just retire. I've seen enough after watching game 6 and 7

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[Zeno]

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Yeah, I remember Zach Lowe talking about this. Apparently if a player sits out their final year of a contract it prohibits the player from signing anywhere without being given a release from their former team. There is no end date on that restriction either if I recall correctly.

[Pointgod]

We don't get his Bird rights if we trade for Harden?

Nope. Because he extended and opted in any team that trades for him won’t have his bird rights. Also why the criticism of the Clippers not trading an arm and a leg for him has never made sense. They’d have to resign Harden, George and Kawhi with cap space. Morey is posturing because he doesn’t have a strong case value wise.

Sorry why won't we have his bird rights?

I thought that he was not extension eligible, due the opt in on an existing extension.

What about his ext, and opt in negates bird rights?

My confusion. Any team that trades for him can’t extend him so he becomes an unrestricted free agent that can only be resigned with capspace or exceptions. We’d have his bird rights but we’d be in a capspace crunch to resign OG, Harden and Siakim. That’s what severely limits his attractiveness to any team trading for him. You can’t go over the cap to resign him.

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[billy_hoyle]

Nope. Because he extended and opted in any team that trades for him won’t have his bird rights. Also why the criticism of the Clippers not trading an arm and a leg for him has never made sense. They’d have to resign Harden, George and Kawhi with cap space. Morey is posturing because he doesn’t have a strong case value wise.

Sorry why won't we have his bird rights?

I thought that he was not extension eligible, due the opt in on an existing extension.

What about his ext, and opt in negates bird rights?

My confusion. Any team that trades for him can’t extend him so he becomes an unrestricted free agent that can only be resigned with capspace or exceptions. We’d have his bird rights but we’d be in a capspace crunch to resign OG, Harden and Siakim. That’s what severely limits his attractiveness to any team trading for him. You can’t go over the cap to resign him.

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Yep we can't extend.

I'm curious tho, do we have his bird rights, i.e. the ability to go over the cap and the lux tax lines etc to resign an existing player, or would we need to renounce players rights (OG etc.) to resign him under the cap?

I know there's 2 round pick limitations on your own free agents (like what happened with Jalen Brunson).

The cap crunch is real, but that's just money and not actually a hard limitation.

There's an opportunity here to trade salary filler and pick(s) for an all star 33yr old creator (which is what this team actually needs). Our front court is on par with most in the league.

Poeltl, Siakam, OG, and Barnes is a really good front court.

Having Precious, McDaniels and Koloko is really nice upside depth.

Our guard depth is 'fixed' with a ballast for aging star trade IMO. Aren't we the team that can compensate for him?

[WuTang_CMB]

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[wegotthabeet]

Trent Jr., Thad, OPJ, Flynn and a 1st would be my final offer.

All expiring contracts so Sixers maintain their cap space for next summer as well.

GTJ + Thad + Boucher (no picks) take it or leave it.

[Raptorfan2012]

Sorry why won't we have his bird rights?

I thought that he was not extension eligible, due the opt in on an existing extension.

What about his ext, and opt in negates bird rights?

My confusion. Any team that trades for him can’t extend him so he becomes an unrestricted free agent that can only be resigned with capspace or exceptions. We’d have his bird rights but we’d be in a capspace crunch to resign OG, Harden and Siakim. That’s what severely limits his attractiveness to any team trading for him. You can’t go over the cap to resign him.

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Yep we can't extend.

I'm curious tho, do we have his bird rights, i.e. the ability to go over the cap and the lux tax lines etc to resign an existing player, or would we need to renounce players rights (OG etc.) to resign him under the cap?

I know there's 2 round pick limitations on your own free agents (like what happened with Jalen Brunson).

The cap crunch is real, but that's just money and not actually a hard limitation.

There's an opportunity here to trade salary filler and pick(s) for an all star 33yr old creator (which is what this team actually needs). Our front court is on par with most in the league.

Poeltl, Siakam, OG, and Barnes is a really good front court.

Having Precious, McDaniels and Koloko is really nice upside depth.

Our guard depth is 'fixed' with a ballast for aging star trade IMO. Aren't we the team that can compensate for him?

I feel like to get Harden, we will have to trade OG. It will be a hard decision and may end up being Demar 2.0, but salary wise it was going to be only 2 of Pascal, Scottie, and OG at the max. If OG is serious in potentially leaving Toronto next summer, at least we can try to do another short term run with Pascal and Harden.