Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[Decipher]

Embiid is Mr Sixers and on a supermax

Why would the organisation let him go?

[Sixteen]

Embiid is pushing 30. How long is he going to push this trolling shtick? It's not funny to the fans that supported him the most when everyone was counting him out.

[mksp]

this is an outstanding development, trade him for a million picks under the guise of front office chaos and let's build a modern nba team for the first time ever.

[Arsenal]

Depends on the price. Holmgren + Williams + multiple picks is worth serious consideration.

[Stanford]

Announcing here that I have zero respect for anyone concerned about Joel asking out.

[Mik317]

The problem is that due to his position, age, injury history and contract…. Not many teams are set to trade a big package for Biid imo

I don’t think OKC is ready to push in their chips. The Pelicans are an option but that would signal that Zion is damaged goods or if it’s Ingram he isn’t good enough return imo. The Knicks poo poo platter isn’t enough either plus I doubt they trade in division. Portland made sense before Dame asked out and Miami isn’t trading Bam for Biid after another finals run. Golden State made more sense prior to getting rid of Pooled matching contract…. But imo their young talent is mid.

Just don’t see any real Gobert packages out there lol

We are ****

[AI_Efficiency]

Announcing here that I have zero respect for anyone concerned about Joel asking out.

Why is this your take? Woj reported yesterday that the sixers are concerned this situation could domino and affect embiid.

[Stanford]

Why is this your take?

What do you make of guy who is constantly worried that his girlfriend is going to break up with him?

If Embiid asks out, he asks out. It'll be when he determines he can't win a championship in Philadelphia. But spending your day worrying about him breaking up with you is just pathetic.

[Jailblazers7]

I’m totally apathetic at this point. Trade Harden & fire Morey for all I care.

[WuTang_CMB]

I've been disgusted with Harden, but I'm trying to see this from his perspective.

He takes a pay cut last year to help the Sixers' prospects.
This year he has a player option and he wants a long-term deal or to play for the Clippers, but he can't get the first from anyone and he can't do the second b/c the Clips are capped out. He asks Morey to trade him to LAC if he (Harden) opts in, Morey says he'll try.

I'm guessing now that Clips are probably offering only meh expiring contracts, such a Morris, RoCo, and Batum, and nothing else. Salary filler and a deeper, veteran bench. They're like, hey, take it or leave it.

Harden is probably like: look, if I had opted out, you (Sixers) would have been left with nothing, no bench players and capspace next year. This way, you (Sixers) get something-- decent bench players-- and capspace next year. You already got money from me last year when I restructured; you were going to lose me this year anyway; and all I'm asking in return is that you facilitate a move to the Clippers. And you won't even do that because you can't get back value for me, when you wouldn't have gotten anything anyway had I walked. WTH?

Is that a fair assessment? Or am I forgetting something?

Morey could respond by saying, hey, when we traded for you we wanted you for two years. You could played that second year for us this coming year, made $35M, and then we would see what happened next year. But you wanted big money and many years NOW, so you did what you did. We still want you for $35M and we can see what happens next year. But we didn't trade Simmons for 1 year of you.

Pretty good analysis. This is how I see it as well.

[Negrodamus]

Thats also what I was thinking thats why I posted it earlier

Yes I believe so, Philly can cut bait any time

At this point I’d say the two best options now are to fire Morey and run it back or start planning for complete rebuild.

I think you kind of got Embiid’s approval now with his twitter profile move.

Neither of those options are realistic. Unless Morey has burner accounts his wife runs that is ripping on Harden and it gets exposed, there is no reason to fire him. Definitely not to appease him. Also Nurse wouldn’t sign here if ownership gave away that they were going to blow it up. The Harden situation had already taken form; nothing has changed since then other than Harden tanking his value and putting on a spectacle for his Chinese fan base.

I’m also not going to read into Embiid’s twitter tweaks. If he was giving off discontent, I don’t think Nurse would have signed up to be tank commander.

[facothomas22]

At this point, I would strongly consider starting on a clean slate. With Emiid current trade value, this could be a quick rebuild as long as the team plays their cards correctly. Maybe sending Emiid to Blazers could be enough for Lillard to completely back off from his trade request. The Thunder and Pelicans are also great options. Maybe even the Heat as well. Rockets could also be interesting if they're looking to go all in winning right now.

Blazers package

Scoot Henderson, Shaedon Shape, Kris Murray+ Jusef Nurkic + several 1st round picks(may be hard to do considering the Blazers have their picks tied up to the Bulls).

Thunder package

Chet Holggram + Josh Giddy + Cason Wallace + 6 1st round picks

Pelicans Package

Trey Murphy + Jordan Hawkins + Dyson Daniels + Jonas Valanciunas + 6-7 1st round picks

Heat package

Bam Adebayo + JJJ + Nikola Jovic + 3 1st round picks(a third team would need to get inolved)

Rockets package

Cam Whitemore,Alperen Sengun, Amen Thompson + Dillon Brooks(I hate taking on his contract, but getting 3 young players with major upside makes it worth it to a extent) + 5-6 1st round picks

[sixers4real]

What is going on here lol.

If I had to choose between Morey and Harden + Embiid, I would choose Harden + Embiid.
And I’m a Morey fan.

I don’t want another tanking

[Warfelg]

I wouldn’t blame him if he wanted out because of the way fans turned on him.

Personally him and every other Sixer player should want to distance themselves from the situation right. Is. Hardens been a toxic player and wants to make it super toxic. He’ll make it like he cares about them but the only one Harden cares about is Harden.


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[Warfelg]

What is going on here lol.

If I had to choose between Morey and Harden + Embiid, I would choose Harden + Embiid.
And I’m a Morey fan.

I don’t want another tanking

Chicken littling is going on.

Also I would pick just Embiid to be honest.


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[Tony Franciosa]

I'm so confused, like exactly why should we fire Morey again?

yeah, having a hard time with this thought process. he's doing the right thing now for the Sixers, regardless of whether or not he made promises to James about future contracts.

[AI_Efficiency]

Why is this your take?

What do you make of guy who is constantly worried that his girlfriend is going to break up with him?

If Embiid asks out, he asks out. It'll be when he determines he can't win a championship in Philadelphia. But spending your day worrying about him breaking up with you is just pathetic.

This is more like your girlfriend's good friend just called the boyfriend a liar and now he has to determine how to handle the situation. I don't think considering the impact on your girlfriend as you try to resolve things with her friend is "pathetic" at all and would be a pretty smart thing to do. You could say more generally as fans that aren't "in" this relationship to stay with the analogy, why do we care at all, but in that case why would we care about anything related to the team.

[eyeatoma]

The problem is that due to his position, age, injury history and contract…. Not many teams are set to trade a big package for Biid imo

I don’t think OKC is ready to push in their chips. The Pelicans are an option but that would signal that Zion is damaged goods or if it’s Ingram he isn’t good enough return imo. The Knicks poo poo platter isn’t enough either plus I doubt they trade in division. Portland made sense before Dame asked out and Miami isn’t trading Bam for Biid after another finals run. Golden State made more sense prior to getting rid of Pooled matching contract…. But imo their young talent is mid.

Just don’t see any real Gobert packages out there lol

We are ****

Um, I disagree. Dude just won an MVP, and his injury history is pretty average. He gets injured annually during the playoff, but is good to go the next season. it's all freak injuries. He's basically the best you can expect to get of a superstar at this point. He will be at his peak value for the next 2 years, then there will be a decline. If he gets a serious injury, that obviously changes, but not sure why you think he is not going to get you basically the biggest package of all time.

Teams that have players/picks they can trade

OKC
Knicks
Blazers
Disagree about Miami (Jimmy loves Biid), just don't think they have the assetts
Celtics
Nets
Pistons
Grizzlies
Rockets
Pelicans
Raptors
Jazz
Cavaliers


Basically all those teams would have something to offer. Not to mention you could do a multi team trade.

[ProcessDoctor]

Just rebuild and send Joel to Portland for Scoot + Sharpe + fillers + picks.

[Kova]

Why do people think Embiid would ask for a trade?
You have to understand that he is coming from a different culture, and isn't your regular 'Lebron', 'Harden', 'Durant' etc.. He is more like Nowitzki type who is thankful and loyal to the organization that enabled everything to him and his family, and will never consider asking for a trade. People like that have a different character.