Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[HardenGoat]

To me what is most notable is the direction the franchise shifted this offseason. I thought Harden was a great fit for Embiid, at least under the offensive system that Doc was trying to run. Perhaps what was most revealing during the playoffs wasn't Harden sucks but the system itself wasn't going to work. There's a reason why all the players efficiency dropped when it mattered the most, and Iam not buying the replace Harden will fix it narrative. I think we would see the same results with a Lillard or Mitchell.

[Jailblazers7]

Those Clippers role players on expiring contracts are looking pretty good right now lol

Powell/Roco/Morris/Batum/Kobe Brown for Harden/Tucker/House/Furk so we can move on with our lives.

[Murray_17]

People really are scared because of a twitter clean up? Come one....

If he goes, he goes, it's what is.


As far as Morey goes, why would you fire him now? no one here wanted Harden on a new deal near a max, which is what he wants, he can stay if we fire Morey and then we would have the same issue next season. I'm not happy with all of the Morey moves but firing him for this would make the organization look even less serious, at that point just give Harden his max.

Players say all this tuff about organizations and then up going where they guys are anyways.

[Zumramania]

To me what is most notable is the direction the franchise shifted this offseason. I thought Harden was a great fit for Embiid, at least under the offensive system that Doc was trying to be run. Perhaps what was most revealing during the playoffs wasn't Harden sucks but the system itself wasn't going to work. There's a reason why all the players efficiency dropped when it mattered the most, and Iam not buying the replace Harden will fix it narrative.

This was the biggest problem in my opinion, when you have a coaching failure like this, it is hard to separate it from player performances. That being said, I think that what Kevin McHale said about Harden was very interesting, about how he will never win a championship because he sometimes does not run fast breaks, does not play team defense, i.e. he does not do "the little things". I think there is some truth to that.

[SixthStreet]

I'm inclined to believe there some dis-satisfaction on Embiid's part based on his X actions. He is very perceptive online and aware of what is discussed about him. This is his way of sending a message since he's not the type to do it directly or face to face.

If I were Harris I'd ask him if he did want out and if he said he was even slightly open to it I'd instruct Morey to get it done quietly and extract full value. If he gives his total commitment through whatever outcome of Harden's employment, then keep him.

Given the protections on the owed FRPs now would be a good time to tank. The OKC owed pick will hurt but they are still at minimum 1-4 protected in 25, 26, and 27. Then try to be winning by 28 so the pick owed to Brooklyn won't hurt too much if it's out of the lottery and plus we should be stocked with other FRPs by then with a hypothetical Embiid (and Maxey) trade plus others to take on bad contracts in the next couple of years.

I think we are at a good place for a tank pivot but that said if Embiid wants to be here despite the Harden dysfunction I keep him.

[HardenGoat]

To me what is most notable is the direction the franchise shifted this offseason. I thought Harden was a great fit for Embiid, at least under the offensive system that Doc was trying to be run. Perhaps what was most revealing during the playoffs wasn't Harden sucks but the system itself wasn't going to work. There's a reason why all the players efficiency dropped when it mattered the most, and Iam not buying the replace Harden will fix it narrative.

This was the biggest problem in my opinion, when you have a coaching failure like this, it is hard to separate it from player performances. That being said, I think that what Kevin McHale said about Harden was very interesting, about how he will never win a championship because he sometimes does not run fast breaks, does not play team defense, i.e. he does not do "the little things". I think there is some truth to that.

He has shown he is capable, the biggest strike is consistency. People say it's his lifestyle affecting him, that may be true. Unfortunately the ship has sailed on his ability to control the game offensively like he could in his prime. He also hasn't had any luck in the playoffs. CP3, Westbrook, Kyrie, even Embiid all suffered injuries during his runs. Sucks really, but there's no excuse to be moving every year to another team either. He should have stayed in Brooklyn honestly. Iam a little ticked off though that the owner didn't go all in this year, give harden a 3 year deal and then upgraded whatever talent we had available using Tobias and a pick or two included. Instead he is pulling on the plug by the cord.

[facothomas22]

The problem is that due to his position, age, injury history and contract…. Not many teams are set to trade a big package for Biid imo

I don’t think OKC is ready to push in their chips. The Pelicans are an option but that would signal that Zion is damaged goods or if it’s Ingram he isn’t good enough return imo. The Knicks poo poo platter isn’t enough either plus I doubt they trade in division. Portland made sense before Dame asked out and Miami isn’t trading Bam for Biid after another finals run. Golden State made more sense prior to getting rid of Pooled matching contract…. But imo their young talent is mid.

Just don’t see any real Gobert packages out there lol

We are ****

Um, I disagree. Dude just won an MVP, and his injury history is pretty average. He gets injured annually during the playoff, but is good to go the next season. it's all freak injuries. He's basically the best you can expect to get of a superstar at this point. He will be at his peak value for the next 2 years, then there will be a decline. If he gets a serious injury, that obviously changes, but not sure why you think he is not going to get you basically the biggest package of all time.

Teams that have players/picks they can trade

OKC
Knicks
Blazers
Disagree about Miami (Jimmy loves Biid), just don't think they have the assetts
Celtics
Nets
Pistons
Grizzlies
Rockets
Pelicans
Raptors
Jazz
Cavaliers


Basically all those teams would have something to offer. Not to mention you could do a multi team trade.

I disagree with a lot of those teams you listed.

The Knicks - There' a lot of quantity and not as much quality. Their picks outside of their own picks are mostly heavily protected picks that have limited upside. Far as their young players, they got RJ Barrett, Quentin Grimes, Mitchell Robinson and Immanuel Quickley. Those are solid young players, but none of them have all star level+ upside.

The Thunder - They're a team to watch for sure. I think their player and draft assets are the most interesting out of any team in the NBA

Blazers - I still think Damian Lillard is going to be traded at some point. However getting Joel Emiid should be eneough for him to back off from his trade request. If so, they would be quite interesting team to watch.

Celtics - Jaylen Brown can't be traded this season. However next off season could be very interesting. Jaylen Brown + 4-5 1st round picks could enough to get Emiid. However that contract is a overpay and I'm not sure how value Brown would hold with that much money he's making.

Nets - They got a lot of picks, but not a lot of young talented players that they can offer. I'm not sure if the Nets would beat out the Heat offer, even if the Nets offered all of draft picks they got from the Kevin Durant/Kyrie Irving trade + their own and the young they selected in this year's draft.

Pistons - I don't see moving them moving young talent to get Joel Emiid. I guess the Pistons could make a real bid if they wanted to sicne they got plenty of young talent, but the drafts picks are a bit lacking.


Heat -You said the Heat won't have the assets for Emiid. That may be true. However Bam Adebayo is likley the best player we may be able get for Emiid(unless the Cavaliers are willing to give up Donovan Mitchell or Suns are willing to give up Devin Brooker for Joel Emiid). Bam + JJJ + Nikola Jovic+ 2-3 1st round could be interesting if the some of the other teams listed don't make a real bid for Emiid.

Grizzlies - I don't know if they are going to trade any of their core players due to the JA Morant sitaution. Plus Desmond Bane on his currect contract is a overpay,unless he makes futher improvments. So it's basically Jaren Jackson Jr + picks or bust.


Rockets - Yeah. They're sneakly team to watch. They could makw a strong bid for Emiid. They plenty of young talent and draft picks to offer.

Pelicans - They are another that could a major bid for Emiid. Likely they will keep Brandon Ingram and I'm not sure if the 76ers should take Zion Williamson right now due his injury issues. Likely we are talking about Trey Murphy + Jordan Hawkins + Dyson Daniels or Herb Jones and JV + multiple 1st round picks as the offer.

Raptors - I don't see it, unless the 76ers are really high on Scottie Barnes and Gradley Dick. They really only have 3 1st round picks to trade and there atleast a couple of othe teams who would offer better young talent and/or more draft picks.

Jazz - They got a lot of stuff they can offer. They got a ton of draft picks from the Rudy Gobert/Donovan Mitchell trade and have young talent such as Taylor Hendricks , Keyonte Geoerge(I'm very high on him and I could see him being one of the best players in his draft class) and Walker Kessler. The issue of course is that it's unlikely the Jazz are going to move assets in order in win now.

Cavaliers- Unless they're offering a combination Evan Mobley/Donovan Mitchell or Donovan Mitchell/Jarrett Allen, they are not even in the conversation.

[Mik317]

call a guy mid and then proceed to say you won't trade him for most packages

[facothomas22]

I'm inclined to believe there some dis-satisfaction on Embiid's part based on his X actions. He is very perceptive online and aware of what is discussed about him. This is his way of sending a message since he's not the type to do it directly or face to face.

If I were Harris I'd ask him if he did want out and if he said he was even slightly open to it I'd instruct Morey to get it done quietly and extract full value. If he gives his total commitment through whatever outcome of Harden's employment, then keep him.

Given the protections on the owed FRPs now would be a good time to tank. The OKC owed pick will hurt but they are still at minimum 1-4 protected in 25, 26, and 27. Then try to be winning by 28 so the pick owed to Brooklyn won't hurt too much if it's out of the lottery and plus we should be stocked with other FRPs by then with a hypothetical Embiid (and Maxey) trade plus others to take on bad contracts in the next couple of years.

I think we are at a good place for a tank pivot but that said if Embiid wants to be here despite the Harden dysfunction I keep him.

Yeah I'm with you. I would pefer to keep Joel Emiid, but if he requests a trade, then I see it as a time where we can start on a clean slate with hopefully no drama or dysfunction. With Emiid value being so high right now, we could probably get a trade package where we are more or less simply retooling as opposed to going on a full on rebuild mode/tanking.

[the_process]

Well this escalated quickly.

Best as I can see it, Morey has three options: trade Harden and Tucker to the Clippers for expirings, a full rebuild where he trades everyone not named Maxey, or he resigns.

I understand you don't want to set bad precedents, but Morey cannot let this play out again. The locker room cannot handle another Ben situation.

This is what happens when you have a detached softie as the best player on the team.

[the_process]

They already investigated any Morey off record contract promise last year and found nothing, is that correct?

[Jailblazers7]

They already investigated any Morey off record contract promise last year and found nothing, is that correct?

Yep, I think the NBA officially cleared us on that issue.

[Black Mage]

Why is this your take?

What do you make of guy who is constantly worried that his girlfriend is going to break up with him?

If Embiid asks out, he asks out. It'll be when he determines he can't win a championship in Philadelphia. But spending your day worrying about him breaking up with you is just pathetic.

It really is beyond pathetic and Joel eats it up.

He’s a great player but at this point he can gtfo too. Hes won jackchit and is basically teetering on loser status while Harden is already there. If he’s pissed about this situation too then they belong together at this point.

I’d rather cheer for Maxey, bums, and hope over two unapologetic losers.

I know right? Guys who don't get to conference finals in their first 4 or so playoff appearances are just LOSERS. I mean, like this guy named Jordan didn't even get out of the 1st rnd his first 3 appearances and then lost in the 2nd rnd on his 4th time in the playoffs. What a total loser!

Hey then there's another loser who only sniffed conference finals once in 5 tries and 3x was a 1st round flame out! That Giannis guy, total stiff!

[phiphan]

It seems implicit in Pompey's article that the "lie" was that Morey was going to trade him, and not that Morey promised him an extension:

A league source said Morey was not surprised by Harden’s commentary and his attempt to make things personal given his agent’s reaction this past weekend to being informed that the Sixers weren’t able to find a suitable deal.

Unless this is just some pretty deft spin by Morey.

[FireMorey]

It seems implicit in Pompey's article that the "lie" was that Morey was going to trade him, and not that Morey promised him an extension:

A league source said Morey was not surprised by Harden’s commentary and his attempt to make things personal given his agent’s reaction this past weekend to being informed that the Sixers weren’t able to find a suitable deal.

Unless this is just some pretty deft spin by Morey.

That wouldn't make any sense given Harden's comments.

He said Daryl Morey is a liar and I will never play for an organization he's a part of.

That wouldn't make sense if he lied about trading him, since he already wanted to be away from Morey. I think it's pretty clear the lie is inferring Morey indicated to him he'd get a long-term deal at some point with the Sixers.

[Black Mage]

It seems implicit in Pompey's article that the "lie" was that Morey was going to trade him, and not that Morey promised him an extension:

A league source said Morey was not surprised by Harden’s commentary and his attempt to make things personal given his agent’s reaction this past weekend to being informed that the Sixers weren’t able to find a suitable deal.

Unless this is just some pretty deft spin by Morey.

Maybe James' Agent should have told his client that demanding to go to ONLY one team publicly pretty much makes it impossible to make a trade with that team.

[Warfelg]

It seems implicit in Pompey's article that the "lie" was that Morey was going to trade him, and not that Morey promised him an extension:

A league source said Morey was not surprised by Harden’s commentary and his attempt to make things personal given his agent’s reaction this past weekend to being informed that the Sixers weren’t able to find a suitable deal.

Unless this is just some pretty deft spin by Morey.

Maybe James' Agent should have told his client that demanding to go to ONLY one team publicly pretty much makes it impossible to make a trade with that team.

Sounds like he’s walked that back and now prefers LAC but willing to go anywhere.

[phiphan]

It seems implicit in Pompey's article that the "lie" was that Morey was going to trade him, and not that Morey promised him an extension:

A league source said Morey was not surprised by Harden’s commentary and his attempt to make things personal given his agent’s reaction this past weekend to being informed that the Sixers weren’t able to find a suitable deal.

Unless this is just some pretty deft spin by Morey.

That wouldn't make any sense given Harden's comments.

He said Daryl Morey is a liar and I will never play for an organization he's a part of.

That wouldn't make sense if he lied about trading him, since he already wanted to be away from Morey. I think it's pretty clear the lie is inferring Morey indicated to him he'd get a long-term deal at some point with the Sixers.

That's a fair point, but he may also have been alluding to his supposed intent not to show up for training camp.

[MoeGreene]

Would happily trade anyone but, have zero confidence in Owner Harris and Cookie Morey to do anything productive.

[the_process]

It seems implicit in Pompey's article that the "lie" was that Morey was going to trade him, and not that Morey promised him an extension:



Unless this is just some pretty deft spin by Morey.

Maybe James' Agent should have told his client that demanding to go to ONLY one team publicly pretty much makes it impossible to make a trade with that team.

Sounds like he’s walked that back and now prefers LAC but willing to go anywhere.

I have not heard this reported anywhere. This would change things. Morey still has to realize he's not getting a star return. He was willing to let him walk. Now he's refusing to trade him for less than a star package. Those two stances are not compatible.