Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[Iverson Armband]

What do you make of guy who is constantly worried that his girlfriend is going to break up with him?

If Embiid asks out, he asks out. It'll be when he determines he can't win a championship in Philadelphia. But spending your day worrying about him breaking up with you is just pathetic.

It really is beyond pathetic and Joel eats it up.

He’s a great player but at this point he can gtfo too. Hes won jackchit and is basically teetering on loser status while Harden is already there. If he’s pissed about this situation too then they belong together at this point.

I’d rather cheer for Maxey, bums, and hope over two unapologetic losers.

I know right? Guys who don't get to conference finals in their first 4 or so playoff appearances are just LOSERS. I mean, like this guy named Jordan didn't even get out of the 1st rnd his first 3 appearances and then lost in the 2nd rnd on his 4th time in the playoffs. What a total loser!

Hey then there's another loser who only sniffed conference finals once in 5 tries and 3x was a 1st round flame out! That Giannis guy, total stiff!

You’re odd.

[Warfelg]

Maybe James' Agent should have told his client that demanding to go to ONLY one team publicly pretty much makes it impossible to make a trade with that team.

Sounds like he’s walked that back and now prefers LAC but willing to go anywhere.

I have not heard this reported anywhere. This would change things. Morey still has to realize he's not getting a star return. He was willing to let him walk. Now he's refusing to trade him for less than a star package. Those two stances are not compatible.

https://hoopswire.com/james-harden-prefers-clippers-but-open-to-other-destinations/

[Stanford]

That wouldn't make any sense given Harden's comments.

He said Daryl Morey is a liar and I will never play for an organization he's a part of.

That wouldn't make sense if he lied about trading him, since he already wanted to be away from Morey. I think it's pretty clear the lie is inferring Morey indicated to him he'd get a long-term deal at some point with the Sixers.

You're absolutely correct with this analysis but I think it's still possible that Harden is talking about the trade request. He's an idiot.

[fkd215]

I'd like to see Morey respond publicly in some way. Even if just to say something boilerplate like "I have too much respect for James to carry this disagreement out in the media, but we are working come up with a mutually agreeable solution." Just anything to signal to other players that he's on this, and that he's not the snake that Harden is trying to portray him as.

[Embiid P]

Maybe James' Agent should have told his client that demanding to go to ONLY one team publicly pretty much makes it impossible to make a trade with that team.

Sounds like he’s walked that back and now prefers LAC but willing to go anywhere.

I have not heard this reported anywhere. This would change things. Morey still has to realize he's not getting a star return. He was willing to let him walk. Now he's refusing to trade him for less than a star package. Those two stances are not compatible.

Per the interview he did on 97.5 the Fanatic a few weeks ago, he said that he was willing to either trade Harden for a star player directly or for assets that can be used to acquire a star later.

I don't think he'll get either at least not at this point given Harden's public comments about him. Hopefully at the deadline, other teams' offers will improve.

[Warfelg]

I'd like to see Morey respond publicly in some way. Even if just to say something boilerplate like "I have too much respect for James to carry this disagreement out in the media, but we are working come up with a mutually agreeable solution." Just anything to signal to other players that he's on this, and that he's not the snake that Harden is trying to portray him as.

Honestly I disagree. With the rumor out there now that Harden is open to anywhere then I would leak it out that you are reengaging trade talks with teams previously excluded due to Harden's wishes. I think that really sets it up that you weren't lying about trying to do what he wanted but at the same time you were doing what he wanted and that's why he wasn't moved yet.

[FireMorey]

Morey's obligation is to do what's best for the Sixers, but this also doubles as a what's best for the NBA. The tide has needed a turn on player empowerment for a while, and Morey could be the guy who starts momentum for that pendulum swinging in the other direction.

The NBA is a popular league, but it would be even more popular if it didn't have this crap where players under contract whenever they want can just say "Trade me" and not only that but they get to pick their team. It's a total turn off for sports fans. It's awful for the NBA. The Nets kinda sorta put their foot down last year on Durant, but ended up trading him during the season. Morey could be the first one to go all the way with it. And once you set that trend, others may follow suit.

You absolutely positively cannot reward petulant little children for acting like spoiled brats. Unless the Clippers give a substantial package, you absolutely cannot trade him there. Morey has to be the one who finally stands up to this stuff. The NBA will be better for it.

[Mik317]

thats all well and good until the PA and agents get pissy. We already have to overpay washed guys to come here ffs

That macho "ill show him" **** doesn't help the franchise IMO.

[FireMorey]

But it's not macho. The Clippers aren't offering anything of value. They aren't turning down a Kawhi for Harden swap to stick it to Harden. Morey should do what any GM should do. If the trade doesn't make you better, don't make the trade. And maybe the NBAPA should tell Harden that if he wants to be traded, maybe he should STFU and stop lowering his trade value every time he opens his mouth.

[Warfelg]

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[Embiid P]

Morey's obligation is to do what's best for the Sixers, but this also doubles as a what's best for the NBA. The tide has needed a turn on player empowerment for a while, and Morey could be the guy who starts momentum for that pendulum swinging in the other direction.

The NBA is a popular league, but it would be even more popular if it didn't have this crap where players under contract whenever they want can just say "Trade me" and not only that but they get to pick their team. It's a total turn off for sports fans. It's awful for the NBA. The Nets kinda sorta put their foot down last year on Durant, but ended up trading him during the season. Morey could be the first one to go all the way with it. And once you set that trend, others may follow suit.

You absolutely positively cannot reward petulant little children for acting like spoiled brats. Unless the Clippers give a substantial package, you absolutely cannot trade him there. Morey has to be the one who finally stands up to this stuff. The NBA will be better for it.

Agreed. They don't hesitate to crack down on tanking but they refuse to crack down on star players under contract forcing their way onto certain teams which is a big reason why teams that are outside of NYC, LA, Miami, etc. often tank in the first place. I guess unless you are one of the said darling teams, the NBA is more than willing to make you its sacrificial lamb.

[GoSixersBro]

What do you make of guy who is constantly worried that his girlfriend is going to break up with him?

If Embiid asks out, he asks out. It'll be when he determines he can't win a championship in Philadelphia. But spending your day worrying about him breaking up with you is just pathetic.

It really is beyond pathetic and Joel eats it up.

He’s a great player but at this point he can gtfo too. Hes won jackchit and is basically teetering on loser status while Harden is already there. If he’s pissed about this situation too then they belong together at this point.

I’d rather cheer for Maxey, bums, and hope over two unapologetic losers.

I know right? Guys who don't get to conference finals in their first 4 or so playoff appearances are just LOSERS. I mean, like this guy named Jordan didn't even get out of the 1st rnd his first 3 appearances and then lost in the 2nd rnd on his 4th time in the playoffs. What a total loser!

Hey then there's another loser who only sniffed conference finals once in 5 tries and 3x was a 1st round flame out! That Giannis guy, total stiff!

This is a bad comparison not only because MJ and Giannis reached their first CF at ages 25 and 26 respectively, but also because their production/ability didn't fall off majorly compared to their regular season performances. They showed up.

Embiid's playoff numbers drop hard from the RS.

[Mik317]

Giannis is teflon because he actually won it all. He can choke for the rest of his career and it won't matter especially in Milwaukee lol.

I love Biid. The organization has done the woat job of building around him from players, to coaches, to simple philosophy. Yeah he is often hurt in the playoffs and that is in large part due to him having to not only be the main option but also the whole defense....which no one not even Giannis' energizer bunny ass does. We can go down the list....

but at some point...the common theme is Biid, no? Its why I am extra pissed with this **** show as I feel like this could have been the year to put all of that to rest as he has a coach with ideas, and in a just world Harden would have been moved for athletic wings by now and with that combo we could see if Biid could be that guy without the excuses of the coach or teammates...but lolno I doubt we will see it. It feels like this will be another season of half assery, they will trade Harden for a guy (probably give up assets in the process) or two mid season, we cobble it together, have some hope because we never learn, and get to the playoffs, Biid gets hurt doin too much, and we go out sad again with the lesson learned being "well with this cap space doe...". Just gets old

I want Joel Embiid to win it all here. That would justify all of the energy my bitch ass has given for this stupid franchise and sport lol. BUT after the lethargic ending, I don't feel like that is going to happen...and as much as I'd love to place the blame soley on the FO and go "I hope Biid wins elsewhere"....i cannot lie that the thought that he just may not be that guy isn't at the back of my mind. Not saying trade him...because I don't think any package we'd get for him would be what we'd expect, and I also don't think you trade stars before they ask if only due to how hard they are to get....but I don't think I'd be crushed either. I just want something new and sadly due to recent events that may include trading Biid.

[GoSixersBro]

Things will have to get much, much uglier before Harris even thinks about trading his cash cow.

Anything that comes after a top 4 seed, 50 wins, and some dumb TV heads predicting we will be champs every June is gravy to this ownership. Harris hoists the LOB every season but most of y'all don't realize it.

[the_process]

But it's not macho. The Clippers aren't offering anything of value. They aren't turning down a Kawhi for Harden swap to stick it to Harden. Morey should do what any GM should do. If the trade doesn't make you better, don't make the trade. And maybe the NBAPA should tell Harden that if he wants to be traded, maybe he should STFU and stop lowering his trade value every time he opens his mouth.

Then you take the trash and make the problem disappear before you destroy the locker room.

This is a no win situation. Morey is about to go into next offseason trying to sell FA's on a dysfunctional franchise and bringing the Harden circus to camp makes the clown show impossible to hide.

The best option would be to bring a new guy in here and blow it up.

[the_process]

Morey's obligation is to do what's best for the Sixers, but this also doubles as a what's best for the NBA. The tide has needed a turn on player empowerment for a while, and Morey could be the guy who starts momentum for that pendulum swinging in the other direction.

The NBA is a popular league, but it would be even more popular if it didn't have this crap where players under contract whenever they want can just say "Trade me" and not only that but they get to pick their team. It's a total turn off for sports fans. It's awful for the NBA. The Nets kinda sorta put their foot down last year on Durant, but ended up trading him during the season. Morey could be the first one to go all the way with it. And once you set that trend, others may follow suit.

You absolutely positively cannot reward petulant little children for acting like spoiled brats. Unless the Clippers give a substantial package, you absolutely cannot trade him there. Morey has to be the one who finally stands up to this stuff. The NBA will be better for it.

Agreed. They don't hesitate to crack down on tanking but they refuse to crack down on star players under contract forcing their way onto certain teams which is a big reason why teams that are outside of NYC, LA, Miami, etc. often tank in the first place. I guess unless you are one of the said darling teams, the NBA is more than willing to make you its sacrificial lamb.

Well, the league did slap Lillard and his agent on the wrist for calling all the teams in the league with Miami only.

Harden with LA only and calling Daryl a liar to kids in China? Crickets. F Dave Silver, that hypocrite.

[Jailblazers7]

Does Masai have the stones to do another 1-yr rental Harden for OG trade?

[FireMorey]

But it's not macho. The Clippers aren't offering anything of value. They aren't turning down a Kawhi for Harden swap to stick it to Harden. Morey should do what any GM should do. If the trade doesn't make you better, don't make the trade. And maybe the NBAPA should tell Harden that if he wants to be traded, maybe he should STFU and stop lowering his trade value every time he opens his mouth.

Then you take the trash and make the problem disappear before you destroy the locker room.

This is a no win situation. Morey is about to go into next offseason trying to sell FA's on a dysfunctional franchise and bringing the Harden circus to camp makes the clown show impossible to hide.

The best option would be to bring a new guy in here and blow it up.

The players will go where they think they can win and who pays them the most money.

[Slacktard]

Things will have to get much, much uglier before Harris even thinks about trading his cash cow.

Anything that comes after a top 4 seed, 50 wins, and some dumb TV heads predicting we will be champs every June is gravy to this ownership. Harris hoists the LOB every season but most of y'all don't realize it.

I don't think he's going to be traded at all, but I definitely don't think Embiid is traded until approval and construction has started on the new arena. Or it becomes clear that approval and city tax breaks or whatever won't happen.

[ProcessDoctor]

F it, let’s take a Heat package.

Embiid/Tucker/House for Bam/Herro/Jaquez/Jovic/2027 & 2029 1sts/2026, 2028, & 2030 1st swaps


Maxey/Melton
Herro/Springer
Jaquez/Jovic
Harris/Reed
Adebayo/Bamba

Plus whatever we get for Harden.