The Official NY Jets Thread.

[SelbyCobra]

Yeah, Saleh comes across as a good guy, and seems like an outgoing and excitable person, but I still have my doubts.

I'm not hating at all - I want him to succeed in the worst way, and him doing so would make me very happy for HIM on top of everything else, but in addition to everything mentioned above, his sunshine and rainbows act, or just straight up refusal to acknowledge obvious problems to the media when things were dire last year was maddening.

Hoping like crazy that on top of several developing Jets making the leap this year, the HC does, too.

[j4remi]

I thought he made some major errors last year. I didn't like how he handled the QB situation, he let Zach play too long then allowed the rest of the team to piss on him. And believe me I'm no fan of Zach Wilson. The team had a few must win games last year and came out completely dead in pretty much all of them. That to me is an indictment on the coach. Not to mention his clock management has been pretty poor as well.

I basically agree with all of this as far as flaws. Though, I think there are enough positives to offset the bad so far.

One thing I'd mention is that clock management and field position were both rough thanks to the Special Teams being rough last year. It looks like we've actually got a reliable punter this season, and some added athleticism all-around with guys like Zaire Barnes (and hopefully Zack Kuntz too).

[j4remi]

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[MrDollarBills]

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Yo those Patriots fans were full of hate

[SelbyCobra]

I thought he made some major errors last year. I didn't like how he handled the QB situation, he let Zach play too long then allowed the rest of the team to piss on him. And believe me I'm no fan of Zach Wilson. The team had a few must win games last year and came out completely dead in pretty much all of them. That to me is an indictment on the coach. Not to mention his clock management has been pretty poor as well.

I basically agree with all of this as far as flaws. Though, I think there are enough positives to offset the bad so far.

One thing I'd mention is that clock management and field position were both rough thanks to the Special Teams being rough last year. It looks like we've actually got a reliable punter this season, and some added athleticism all-around with guys like Zaire Barnes (and hopefully Zack Kuntz too).

Special Teams were problematic at times last year, but the clock management was really bad (and sometimes really REALLY bad) outside of it. The thing that helped cover up the problem was that they were actually winning the games that the clock management issue was rearing its head - CLE, PIT, DEN, and BUF in the first half of last year were all wins, but the way Saleh managed the end of those games was practically begging the opposition to win the game on some miraculous BS. It was infuriating, but often overshadowed by the fact that they won.

And winning is the only thing that matters in-season, but the predictive ability of a win when you very nearly shoot yourself in the foot and give the game away is not that great (and thus why I still have questions about Saleh going forward).

[Fat Kat]

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[j4remi]

I basically agree with all of this as far as flaws. Though, I think there are enough positives to offset the bad so far.

One thing I'd mention is that clock management and field position were both rough thanks to the Special Teams being rough last year. It looks like we've actually got a reliable punter this season, and some added athleticism all-around with guys like Zaire Barnes (and hopefully Zack Kuntz too).

Special Teams were problematic at times last year, but the clock management was really bad (and sometimes really REALLY bad) outside of it. The thing that helped cover up the problem was that they were actually winning the games that the clock management issue was rearing its head - CLE, PIT, DEN, and BUF in the first half of last year were all wins, but the way Saleh managed the end of those games was practically begging the opposition to win the game on some miraculous BS. It was infuriating, but often overshadowed by the fact that they won.

And winning is the only thing that matters in-season, but the predictive ability of a win when you very nearly shoot yourself in the foot and give the game away is not that great (and thus why I still have questions about Saleh going forward).

Yeah, I think that's my problem with the clock management stuff. Robert Saleh's clock management is a problem...except they won all those close games while storming back from two scores down in some instances. I just think clock management and playcalling are things where fans will always assume they knew better than the coaches, even when the coaches got the job done in hindsight.

I think having Rodgers instead of Wilson/Flacco will help make those situations easier to navigate. Plus, I know we have an elite defense that should be trusted, but I have Tom Brady PTSD; so Saleh's propensity to sit on time outs isn't so bad to me. I'm programmed to prefer having the final shot on offense rather than getting the lead and trying to stop a two-minute drill.

[SelbyCobra]

I basically agree with all of this as far as flaws. Though, I think there are enough positives to offset the bad so far.

One thing I'd mention is that clock management and field position were both rough thanks to the Special Teams being rough last year. It looks like we've actually got a reliable punter this season, and some added athleticism all-around with guys like Zaire Barnes (and hopefully Zack Kuntz too).

Special Teams were problematic at times last year, but the clock management was really bad (and sometimes really REALLY bad) outside of it. The thing that helped cover up the problem was that they were actually winning the games that the clock management issue was rearing its head - CLE, PIT, DEN, and BUF in the first half of last year were all wins, but the way Saleh managed the end of those games was practically begging the opposition to win the game on some miraculous BS. It was infuriating, but often overshadowed by the fact that they won.

And winning is the only thing that matters in-season, but the predictive ability of a win when you very nearly shoot yourself in the foot and give the game away is not that great (and thus why I still have questions about Saleh going forward).

Yeah, I think that's my problem with the clock management stuff. Robert Saleh's clock management is a problem...except they won all those close games while storming back from two scores down in some instances. I just think clock management and playcalling are things where fans will always assume they knew better than the coaches, even when the coaches got the job done in hindsight.

I think having Rodgers instead of Wilson/Flacco will help make those situations easier to navigate. Plus, I know we have an elite defense that should be trusted, but I have Tom Brady PTSD; so Saleh's propensity to sit on time outs isn't so bad to me. I'm programmed to prefer having the final shot on offense rather than getting the lead and trying to stop a two-minute drill.

I didn't give specifics, so I'd probably agree with your bolded statement above if the same thing was said to me. Below are some of the details that make me unsure about Saleh going forward because of the way the intoxicating high of those four wins obscured some troubling (to me) late game mismanagement/play calling that created wholly unnecessary situations where the game was suddenly on the line despite holding a very high percentage chance that it was over.

In all four of those games they took a lead with minimal time left in a situation where the game was basically accepted as being in hand, and then actually gave the opponent a chance to win the game.

In the Cleveland game, the Jets miraculously took the lead and kicked off with just 0:22 left in the game. Needing only a FG, the Browns ended up taking a snap from their own 46 yard line after a 21 yard run to start the drive, with an extremely viable shot at a GW FG if they completed a pass for just 15-20 yards. Thankfully the defense held and Ashtyn Davis sealed the game with a pick at the Jets freaking 36.

In the Pittsburgh game, the Jets took the lead and kicked off with just 0:16 left in the game. Needing a TD, the Steelers ended up taking a snap from the Jets 48 yard line after giving up a huge 27 yard pass to start the drive, with a viable shot at a Hail Mary considering they actually got into Jets territory. Thankfully the defense held and Lamarcus Joyner sealed the game with a pick in the freaking endzone. 16 seconds left on a kickoff, and they allowed the opposing offense to go the length of the field.

In the Denver game, the Jets, up a TD, got the ball from Denver on downs with 1:55 left in the game. Without a turnover, the Broncos ended up getting the ball back just 25 seconds later, and took 4 freaking snaps in Jets territory before turning it over on downs again and ending the game.

In the Bills game, the Jets took the lead and kicked off with 1:43 left in the game. From their own 14 on a 4th & 31, and needing only a FG to tie, the Bills ended up getting the ball into the numbers of a receiver in man coverage with no safety deep at the Jets 20 yard line.

Yes, they won all four games, but all of these situations should not, in my opinion, have gotten to the point where they were literally a single play away from losing or extending a game that should have been over. I understand the opposing perspective - the win trumps all of the problems because the end goal is always a W. And I celebrated those wins like a crazy person. When it comes to what I think is going to happen moving forward though, I like to feel the W arises from a more sound coaching effort than what I've seen.

I really want Saleh to be the guy though, and hope like hell he becomes him this year.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Special Teams were problematic at times last year, but the clock management was really bad (and sometimes really REALLY bad) outside of it. The thing that helped cover up the problem was that they were actually winning the games that the clock management issue was rearing its head - CLE, PIT, DEN, and BUF in the first half of last year were all wins, but the way Saleh managed the end of those games was practically begging the opposition to win the game on some miraculous BS. It was infuriating, but often overshadowed by the fact that they won.

And winning is the only thing that matters in-season, but the predictive ability of a win when you very nearly shoot yourself in the foot and give the game away is not that great (and thus why I still have questions about Saleh going forward).

Yeah, I think that's my problem with the clock management stuff. Robert Saleh's clock management is a problem...except they won all those close games while storming back from two scores down in some instances. I just think clock management and playcalling are things where fans will always assume they knew better than the coaches, even when the coaches got the job done in hindsight.

I think having Rodgers instead of Wilson/Flacco will help make those situations easier to navigate. Plus, I know we have an elite defense that should be trusted, but I have Tom Brady PTSD; so Saleh's propensity to sit on time outs isn't so bad to me. I'm programmed to prefer having the final shot on offense rather than getting the lead and trying to stop a two-minute drill.

I didn't give specifics, so I'd probably agree with your bolded statement above if the same thing was said to me. Below are some of the details that make me unsure about Saleh going forward because of the way the intoxicating high of those four wins obscured some troubling (to me) late game mismanagement/play calling that created wholly unnecessary situations where the game was suddenly on the line despite holding a very high percentage chance that it was over.

In all four of those games they took a lead with minimal time left in a situation where the game was basically accepted as being in hand, and then actually gave the opponent a chance to win the game.

In the Cleveland game, the Jets miraculously took the lead and kicked off with just 0:22 left in the game. Needing only a FG, the Browns ended up taking a snap from their own 46 yard line after a 21 yard run to start the drive, with an extremely viable shot at a GW FG if they completed a pass for just 15-20 yards. Thankfully the defense held and Ashtyn Davis sealed the game with a pick at the Jets freaking 36.

In the Pittsburgh game, the Jets took the lead and kicked off with just 0:16 left in the game. Needing a TD, the Steelers ended up taking a snap from the Jets 48 yard line after giving up a huge 27 yard pass to start the drive, with a viable shot at a Hail Mary considering they actually got into Jets territory. Thankfully the defense held and Lamarcus Joyner sealed the game with a pick in the freaking endzone. 16 seconds left on a kickoff, and they allowed the opposing offense to go the length of the field.

In the Denver game, the Jets, up a TD, got the ball from Denver on downs with 1:55 left in the game. Without a turnover, the Broncos ended up getting the ball back just 25 seconds later, and took 4 freaking snaps in Jets territory before turning it over on downs again and ending the game.

In the Bills game, the Jets took the lead and kicked off with 1:43 left in the game. From their own 14 on a 4th & 31, and needing only a FG to tie, the Bills ended up getting the ball into the numbers of a receiver in man coverage with no safety deep at the Jets 20 yard line.

Yes, they won all four games, but all of these situations should not, in my opinion, have gotten to the point where they were literally a single play away from losing or extending a game that should have been over. I understand the opposing perspective - the win trumps all of the problems because the end goal is always a W. And I celebrated those wins like a crazy person. When it comes to what I think is going to happen moving forward though, I like to feel the W arises from a more sound coaching effort than what I've seen.

I really want Saleh to be the guy though, and hope like hell he becomes him this year.

What did Saleh do to cause any of this? I think when people complain about clock management, there's not much else to complain about. That's a good thing.

[HarthorneWingo]

Yeah, I think that's my problem with the clock management stuff. Robert Saleh's clock management is a problem...except they won all those close games while storming back from two scores down in some instances. I just think clock management and playcalling are things where fans will always assume they knew better than the coaches, even when the coaches got the job done in hindsight.

I think having Rodgers instead of Wilson/Flacco will help make those situations easier to navigate. Plus, I know we have an elite defense that should be trusted, but I have Tom Brady PTSD; so Saleh's propensity to sit on time outs isn't so bad to me. I'm programmed to prefer having the final shot on offense rather than getting the lead and trying to stop a two-minute drill.

I didn't give specifics, so I'd probably agree with your bolded statement above if the same thing was said to me. Below are some of the details that make me unsure about Saleh going forward because of the way the intoxicating high of those four wins obscured some troubling (to me) late game mismanagement/play calling that created wholly unnecessary situations where the game was suddenly on the line despite holding a very high percentage chance that it was over.

In all four of those games they took a lead with minimal time left in a situation where the game was basically accepted as being in hand, and then actually gave the opponent a chance to win the game.

In the Cleveland game, the Jets miraculously took the lead and kicked off with just 0:22 left in the game. Needing only a FG, the Browns ended up taking a snap from their own 46 yard line after a 21 yard run to start the drive, with an extremely viable shot at a GW FG if they completed a pass for just 15-20 yards. Thankfully the defense held and Ashtyn Davis sealed the game with a pick at the Jets freaking 36.

In the Pittsburgh game, the Jets took the lead and kicked off with just 0:16 left in the game. Needing a TD, the Steelers ended up taking a snap from the Jets 48 yard line after giving up a huge 27 yard pass to start the drive, with a viable shot at a Hail Mary considering they actually got into Jets territory. Thankfully the defense held and Lamarcus Joyner sealed the game with a pick in the freaking endzone. 16 seconds left on a kickoff, and they allowed the opposing offense to go the length of the field.

In the Denver game, the Jets, up a TD, got the ball from Denver on downs with 1:55 left in the game. Without a turnover, the Broncos ended up getting the ball back just 25 seconds later, and took 4 freaking snaps in Jets territory before turning it over on downs again and ending the game.

In the Bills game, the Jets took the lead and kicked off with 1:43 left in the game. From their own 14 on a 4th & 31, and needing only a FG to tie, the Bills ended up getting the ball into the numbers of a receiver in man coverage with no safety deep at the Jets 20 yard line.

Yes, they won all four games, but all of these situations should not, in my opinion, have gotten to the point where they were literally a single play away from losing or extending a game that should have been over. I understand the opposing perspective - the win trumps all of the problems because the end goal is always a W. And I celebrated those wins like a crazy person. When it comes to what I think is going to happen moving forward though, I like to feel the W arises from a more sound coaching effort than what I've seen.

I really want Saleh to be the guy though, and hope like hell he becomes him this year.

What did Saleh do to cause any of this? I think when people complain about clock management, there's not much else to complain about. That's a good thing.

I don't think you can complain about a head coach's late fourth quarter time management unless he has a top tier QB, offensive line, and weapons. If we don't have all three, then there is a weak link that can be exploited by a good defense when the game is one the line.

I think the last time I recall this particular complaint was during Rex Ryan's head coaching tenure.

[MrDollarBills]

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[j4remi]

In all four of those games they took a lead with minimal time left in a situation where the game was basically accepted as being in hand, and then actually gave the opponent a chance to win the game.

In the Cleveland game, the Jets miraculously took the lead and kicked off with just 0:22 left in the game. Needing only a FG, the Browns ended up taking a snap from their own 46 yard line after a 21 yard run to start the drive, with an extremely viable shot at a GW FG if they completed a pass for just 15-20 yards. Thankfully the defense held and Ashtyn Davis sealed the game with a pick at the Jets freaking 36.

In the Pittsburgh game, the Jets took the lead and kicked off with just 0:16 left in the game. Needing a TD, the Steelers ended up taking a snap from the Jets 48 yard line after giving up a huge 27 yard pass to start the drive, with a viable shot at a Hail Mary considering they actually got into Jets territory. Thankfully the defense held and Lamarcus Joyner sealed the game with a pick in the freaking endzone. 16 seconds left on a kickoff, and they allowed the opposing offense to go the length of the field.

Both of these are examples of good clock management to me. Leaving a team under a minute to gain a big chunk of yardage and score is basically what you're asking for in these situations. Getting the opponent the ball with less than 30 seconds is optimal. In these cases, I don't think the critique should fall on clock management, but playcalling.

In the Denver game, the Jets, up a TD, got the ball from Denver on downs with 1:55 left in the game. Without a turnover, the Broncos ended up getting the ball back just 25 seconds later, and took 4 freaking snaps in Jets territory before turning it over on downs again and ending the game.

In the Bills game, the Jets took the lead and kicked off with 1:43 left in the game. From their own 14 on a 4th & 31, and needing only a FG to tie, the Bills ended up getting the ball into the numbers of a receiver in man coverage with no safety deep at the Jets 20 yard line.

These would represent the opposite, which I do tend to take issue with. That's leaving too much space for the opponent to operate. But the bills finding a receiver behind the defense is a playcalling fail again IMO. That Denver one was bad, for sure. I forgot about thought and was thinking you meant the loss to Detroit. That's one where the Jets had the ball with about 2 mins to score and Saleh sat on his TO's instead of using them, which caused rushed plays and a messy loss where the TO's stopped mattering.

Yes, they won all four games, but all of these situations should not, in my opinion, have gotten to the point where they were literally a single play away from losing or extending a game that should have been over. I understand the opposing perspective - the win trumps all of the problems because the end goal is always a W. And I celebrated those wins like a crazy person. When it comes to what I think is going to happen moving forward though, I like to feel the W arises from a more sound coaching effort than what I've seen.

I really want Saleh to be the guy though, and hope like hell he becomes him this year.

I do agree with you that there are errors in all of these games. But I'd disagree with clock management being the main issue. I feel that 3/4's of these games were a result of late-game poor playcalling rather than the clock management issue.

Idk if Saleh is the guy yet, but that comes more to his dealing with player personalities. He's too nice. He defended Zach too much last season, and I think he's been far too kind to the vets on the O-line this offseason. Joe Tippman and Mekhi Becton are only getting integrated with the starters this week; but Wes Schweizer and Billy Turner have been major reasons for the failures on the line in camp so far. Ironically, it reminds me of Thibs. They're both just a bit slower to make adjustments in their personnel than I'd like to see.

[MrDollarBills]

The Jets apparently have bailed on their 2nd joint practice with The Bucs. I wonder what happened

[Fat Kat]

The Jets apparently have bailed on their 2nd joint practice with The Bucs. I wonder what happened

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Too many fights

[SelbyCobra]

In all four of those games they took a lead with minimal time left in a situation where the game was basically accepted as being in hand, and then actually gave the opponent a chance to win the game.

In the Cleveland game, the Jets miraculously took the lead and kicked off with just 0:22 left in the game. Needing only a FG, the Browns ended up taking a snap from their own 46 yard line after a 21 yard run to start the drive, with an extremely viable shot at a GW FG if they completed a pass for just 15-20 yards. Thankfully the defense held and Ashtyn Davis sealed the game with a pick at the Jets freaking 36.

In the Pittsburgh game, the Jets took the lead and kicked off with just 0:16 left in the game. Needing a TD, the Steelers ended up taking a snap from the Jets 48 yard line after giving up a huge 27 yard pass to start the drive, with a viable shot at a Hail Mary considering they actually got into Jets territory. Thankfully the defense held and Lamarcus Joyner sealed the game with a pick in the freaking endzone. 16 seconds left on a kickoff, and they allowed the opposing offense to go the length of the field.

Both of these are examples of good clock management to me. Leaving a team under a minute to gain a big chunk of yardage and score is basically what you're asking for in these situations. Getting the opponent the ball with less than 30 seconds is optimal. In these cases, I don't think the critique should fall on clock management, but playcalling.

In the Denver game, the Jets, up a TD, got the ball from Denver on downs with 1:55 left in the game. Without a turnover, the Broncos ended up getting the ball back just 25 seconds later, and took 4 freaking snaps in Jets territory before turning it over on downs again and ending the game.

In the Bills game, the Jets took the lead and kicked off with 1:43 left in the game. From their own 14 on a 4th & 31, and needing only a FG to tie, the Bills ended up getting the ball into the numbers of a receiver in man coverage with no safety deep at the Jets 20 yard line.

These would represent the opposite, which I do tend to take issue with. That's leaving too much space for the opponent to operate. But the bills finding a receiver behind the defense is a playcalling fail again IMO. That Denver one was bad, for sure. I forgot about thought and was thinking you meant the loss to Detroit. That's one where the Jets had the ball with about 2 mins to score and Saleh sat on his TO's instead of using them, which caused rushed plays and a messy loss where the TO's stopped mattering.

Yes, they won all four games, but all of these situations should not, in my opinion, have gotten to the point where they were literally a single play away from losing or extending a game that should have been over. I understand the opposing perspective - the win trumps all of the problems because the end goal is always a W. And I celebrated those wins like a crazy person. When it comes to what I think is going to happen moving forward though, I like to feel the W arises from a more sound coaching effort than what I've seen.

I really want Saleh to be the guy though, and hope like hell he becomes him this year.

I do agree with you that there are errors in all of these games. But I'd disagree with clock management being the main issue. I feel that 3/4's of these games were a result of late-game poor playcalling rather than the clock management issue.

Idk if Saleh is the guy yet, but that comes more to his dealing with player personalities. He's too nice. He defended Zach too much last season, and I think he's been far too kind to the vets on the O-line this offseason. Joe Tippman and Mekhi Becton are only getting integrated with the starters this week; but Wes Schweizer and Billy Turner have been major reasons for the failures on the line in camp so far. Ironically, it reminds me of Thibs. They're both just a bit slower to make adjustments in their personnel than I'd like to see.

Yeah, I guess it's a lot of playcalling in there, too. The summation for me is similar, though - there's a lot of meat left on the bone with regards to the way he generally manages the game. From my perspective there's a lot of questionable decisions with regards to playcalling in conjunction with the clock, the way he is falsely rosy and/or stubborn about obviously negative ability/effort in his players, and the sloppiness that we saw last year with repeated, preventable penalties - especially personal fouls.

I think he's a good guy with great intentions. I think he REALLY knows football, and especially defense. I think he's an incredible motivator.

I'm hopeful he's a good HC.

[MrDollarBills]

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Too many fights

sounds about right. It's not worth it

[SelbyCobra]

Holy isht, the Breece reports coming out of camp today...

[j4remi]

Yeah, I guess it's a lot of playcalling in there, too. The summation for me is similar, though - there's a lot of meat left on the bone with regards to the way he generally manages the game. From my perspective there's a lot of questionable decisions with regards to playcalling in conjunction with the clock, the way he is falsely rosy and/or stubborn about obviously negative ability/effort in his players, and the sloppiness that we saw last year with repeated, preventable penalties - especially personal fouls.

I think he's a good guy with great intentions. I think he REALLY knows football, and especially defense. I think he's an incredible motivator.

I'm hopeful he's a good HC.

Yeah, I feel like we're two sides of the same coin. Seeing similar problems for sure. I think one thing Saleh's got going for him is great chemistry with Joe Douglas. We've had so many clashes between coach and GM, that having a gm put together a roster that compliments our coaching staff is refreshing...a low bar, I admit

Holy isht, the Breece reports coming out of camp today...

Our 1-2 punch at RB is about to be CRAZY

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Hackett and Rodgers are going to have a field day with these weapons.

[MrDollarBills]

Holy isht, the Breece reports coming out of camp today...

"I said goddamn!"

Heard it on the radio. The fact that he’s back like nothing ever happened is insane.

I'm stoked for Jets fans honestly. Yall deserve a W.

[thebuzzardman]

Things are looking good for the Jets.

The devastating injury to a key player announcement coming any day now.