Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

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I’m hoping Tatum being back at the 3 most of the time means he can get out in transition more, it’s a huge weapon that he and the team don’t take advantage of enough.

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[Celts17Pride]

In my opinion the Celtics should be signing someone like Wenyen Gabriel to a vet min contract. Seems like a perfect type of a 14th/15th type guy the Celtics could need. Young bouncy big that could play 15-20 mpg for 50-60 games if he had to play.

[cl2117]

With KP's feet I think that pretty much solidifies the need for at least one more big on this roster. It's not like his issues have drastically changed or anything but it does drive home the point that our frontcourt is filled with guys who will need nights off. Not expecting a rotation level player but just a guy who can eat minutes.

The pickings are relatively slim at this point though.

Blake Griffin still makes a ton of sense. From his perspective we're the perfect spot. He can still do spot starts for stretches but they don't bother trying to get him 5-10 minutes here and there. Keeps his legs fresh and let's him play with better talent rather than garbage time. For Celtics they don't have to bother moving guys into roles they're not going to be asked to play when the team is fully healthy. I wouldn't be surprised if this became more of a norm for guys in their twilight years.

Christian Wood would be awesome but there's not enough minutes here for him (kind of the opposite of Blake, he's going to want to play every night).

Vernon Carey Jr. I think is a good flyer. Traditional back to the basket big though so not a scheme fit but still a young talent.

I'll non-sarcastically suggest Moses Brown (love the one handed free throws). Or Olivier Sarr the French equivalent.

Jamychal Green? Bring back Vonleh? Bring in another vet version of Blake (Favors, Cousins, Ibaka, Gibson, Dieng, TT)?

Boban would be fun to have around.

I just think they definitely just need another body, even if they're just a cheerleader 90% of the time.

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In my opinion the Celtics should be signing someone like Wenyen Gabriel to a vet min contract. Seems like a perfect type of a 14th/15th type guy the Celtics could need. Young bouncy big that could play 15-20 mpg for 50-60 games if he had to play.

Eh. We can do better. Wenyen isn't that good. His stats were bad last season in LA, the Lakers don't appear to have any interest in bringing him back. And while I haven't watched a ton of Lakers film from last season what I did watch of Wenyen, he wasn't that good - just didn't make much impact. Defensively didn't really protect the rim much and was pretty easy for guards/wings to take him off the dribble on switches and blow by him out on the perimeter.

Doesn't do much offensively.

I mean, if we're in desperation mode and can't find any other big to sign to fill out the roster, then sure, let's do it - let's bring in the kid from Manchester, NH.

For a deep bench big, I'd prefer Blake or JaMychal Green. Or Biyombo, who I think is a little better than Gabriel.

[Celts17Pride]

In my opinion the Celtics should be signing someone like Wenyen Gabriel to a vet min contract. Seems like a perfect type of a 14th/15th type guy the Celtics could need. Young bouncy big that could play 15-20 mpg for 50-60 games if he had to play.

Eh. We can do better. Wenyen isn't that good.

Neither is Blake Griffin. Both Blake Griffin and JaMychal Green are finished. Go with someone younger. Go with someone who doesn't need 3 days rest if they play 25 minutes in a game.

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Cs should double down on players with injury history. Warren or Winslow, come on down!

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In my opinion the Celtics should be signing someone like Wenyen Gabriel to a vet min contract. Seems like a perfect type of a 14th/15th type guy the Celtics could need. Young bouncy big that could play 15-20 mpg for 50-60 games if he had to play.

Eh. We can do better. Wenyen isn't that good.

Neither is Blake Griffin.

Griffin has already proven (just last season) that he can effectively play the exact role we would be asking him to play.

With Griffin in that role last season, we had the #1 net rating in the league. Griffin was 9th on the team in BPM, 3rd on the Celtics in net rating.

Griffin is a better shooter than Gabriel, a better passer, a better defender. A better energy/hustle/dive on the floor/take charges kind of guy. He's tough/stronger/more physical. Plus Griffin has great rapport/chemistry with the guys on our team.

Both Blake Griffin and JaMychal Green are finished.

Based on what? Griffin and Green were both better players last season than Gabriel. Blake is 34 and Green is 33. They could easily have another 1 or 2 decent seasons left in them.

We're not asking these guys to start for us and play 35 mins a night. This is a very small role here - most nights they won't even play. I think we'll be ok with a 34 or 33 yr old guy. Sure, Wenyen has younger legs but he's just not as good, imo.

Go with someone younger. Go with someone who doesn't need 3 days rest if they play 25 minutes in a game

This is a 5th string big man. We don't need them to play much. Kornet is 28, right in the middle of his prime. If you want a younger guy, we already have one - Kornet.

Also, I am thinking that Blake could have played more than he did last season. But they gave him extra rest days and took it easy on his minutes because they could - not because they had to.

[Celts17Pride]

Eh. We can do better. Wenyen isn't that good.

Neither is Blake Griffin.

Griffin has already proven (just last season) that he can effectively play the exact role we would be asking him to play.

With Griffin in that role last season, we had the #1 net rating in the league. Griffin was 9th on the team in BPM, 3rd on the Celtics in net rating.

Griffin is a better shooter than Gabriel, a better passer, a better defender. A better energy/hustle/dive on the floor/take charges kind of guy. He's tough/stronger/more physical. Plus Griffin has great rapport/chemistry with the guys on our team.

Both Blake Griffin and JaMychal Green are finished.

Based on what? Griffin and Green were both better players last season than Gabriel. Blake is 34 and Green is 33. They could easily have another 1 or 2 decent seasons left in them.

Go with someone younger. Go with someone who doesn't need 3 days rest if they play 25 minutes in a game

This is a 5th string big man. We don't need them to play much. Kornet is 28, right in the middle of his prime.

Also, I am thinking that Blake could have played more than he did last season. But they gave him extra rest days and took it easy on his minutes because they could - not because they had to.

Enough of the old guys. Tried it last year and it didn't work. There are going to be a ton of games where two of Horford, Porzingis and R Williams are out (happens every year). Get a young guy that can actually be on the court.

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Neither is Blake Griffin.

Griffin has already proven (just last season) that he can effectively play the exact role we would be asking him to play.

With Griffin in that role last season, we had the #1 net rating in the league. Griffin was 9th on the team in BPM, 3rd on the Celtics in net rating.

Griffin is a better shooter than Gabriel, a better passer, a better defender. A better energy/hustle/dive on the floor/take charges kind of guy. He's tough/stronger/more physical. Plus Griffin has great rapport/chemistry with the guys on our team.

Both Blake Griffin and JaMychal Green are finished.

Based on what? Griffin and Green were both better players last season than Gabriel. Blake is 34 and Green is 33. They could easily have another 1 or 2 decent seasons left in them.

Go with someone younger. Go with someone who doesn't need 3 days rest if they play 25 minutes in a game

This is a 5th string big man. We don't need them to play much. Kornet is 28, right in the middle of his prime.

Also, I am thinking that Blake could have played more than he did last season. But they gave him extra rest days and took it easy on his minutes because they could - not because they had to.

Enough of the old guys. Tried it last year and it didn't work. There are going to be a ton of games where two of Horford, Porzingis and R Williams are out (happens every year). Get a young guy that can actually be on the court.

What didn't work? Again, we had #1 net rating in the league last season. Kornet was 8th on the team in BPM, Griffin was 9th (both were ahead of Smart and ahead of Grant). Griffin was 3rd on the team in net rating, Kornet was 11th.

Both Kornet and Griffin were fine with accepting a lesser role, and they did their job effectively when called upon here and there. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Gabriel is more like Vonleh, who didn't work out nearly as well as Griffin/Kornet.

Enough of the old guys? Griffin was only 33 last year. Do you really think that players 33 or older can't play in the NBA? Players play deeper into their 30's than ever before these days..33 or 34 yrs old is nothing for a guy who would play a very small role as a 14th/15th man.

I also think you seem to be exaggerating how many games our other bigs will miss. Al never gets hurt. He just sits out on back to backs, which will be about 13 games. Rob is healthy. And Porzingis (according to today's report by the team) is expected to be ready for the start of training camp. There will probably be quite a few games when 1 of them is out, but we'll just play the other 2 bigs in those games. If 2 of them are out, we could just throw Kornet in there - it probably won't be that many games when 2 of them are out - Kornet can do the job just fine to eat some reg season minutes.

I think at this point we've both expressed our opinion so we don't have to beat a dead horse. I'm fine with getting a younger big who's like 26 instead of Griffin/Green but it depends who it is. I just don't think (based on stats and eye test) that Wenyen is as good as Griffin or Green. I'd take Biyombo over Gabriel. Biyombo is 30 so a little bit younger.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

A gross misuse of BPM and net rating.

That said, I think Blake and Kornet are fine minute eaters for the regular season. I agree with Celts17Pride in that i’d like another body, though. While I think Blake filled in pretty well last season, you can’t play him on a consistent basis at this point, which becomes a problem if Rob/KP get hurt.

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That said, I think Blake and Kornet are fine minute eaters for the regular season. I agree with Celts17Pride in that i’d like another body, though. While I think Blake filled in pretty well last season, you can’t play him on a consistent basis at this point, which becomes a problem if Rob/KP get hurt.

I mean, we didn't even have KP at all last season. And Rob missed the entire 1st half of the season. Our bigs were just Al/Kornet/Vonleh/Blake and we beat the crap out of the league.

With that being said, I think we all agree that it wouldn't hurt to add another big for the end of the bench with 1 of the 2 open roster spots we have..

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She’s not wrong. People say Boston and New York are cold, uptight and angry a lot but the dear Philly residents don’t have competition in this area.

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Couldnt happen to a better franchise

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There is wicked and wanton hearsay circulating that Porzingis may never play for the Celtics...

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[MeanGeraldGreen]

There is wicked and wanton hearsay circulating that Porzingis may never play for the Celtics...

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I’m sure it’s all from as reputable sources as the sports hub and such.