Better Passer Between: Jason Kidd, Larry Bird or Lebron James
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At the peak of their prime.
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Giving the ball to players favorite spots.
Take a combination of...
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Giving the ball to players favorite spots.
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Is this supposed to factor in ball-handling and athleticism and broader playmaking, or only technical passing proficiency?
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mdonnelly1989 wrote:At the peak of their prime.
Take a combination of...
Passing Touch
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Giving the ball to players favorite spots.
I think you should add vision and creativity to your list of passing qualities.
I think in these areas Kidd and Bird have Lebron beat. (That's not to say Lebron isn't very high-level as well though)
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Its easier to pass when you are a major threat to score. LeBron and Bird are fantastic passers but being scoring threats creates a LOT of easy looks.
Kidd was a decent scorer but far from a great one and he wasnt given nearly the same amount of defensive attention. He had harder passing lanes etc.
To me Kidd > LeBron > Bird
Kidd was a decent scorer but far from a great one and he wasnt given nearly the same amount of defensive attention. He had harder passing lanes etc.
To me Kidd > LeBron > Bird
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Id take Kidd without much hesitation here. And this isnt to poo poo Bird or LeBron, just speaks more to the level of passer Kidd was.
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Roger Murdock wrote:Its easier to pass when you are a major threat to score. LeBron and Bird are fantastic passers but being scoring threats creates a LOT of easy looks.
Kidd was a decent scorer but far from a great one and he wasnt given nearly the same amount of defensive attention. He had harder passing lanes etc.
To me Kidd > LeBron > Bird
Yeah the scoring is such a major factor it can be hard to separate passing outcomes created from passing "skill" vs the gravity they draw as a scorer.
I agree with Kidd first. Lebron and Bird are different kinds of passers but they're close enough I have a hard time separating them
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LeBron is the only boring passer in that poll. Too passive and simple, maybe because his hands are too small, or maybe its mental.
The 3 most entertaining passers ever:
1. Larry Bird
2. Magic Johnson
3. Michael Jordan
Kidd is entertaining enough, but not on that level.
The 3 most entertaining passers ever:
1. Larry Bird
2. Magic Johnson
3. Michael Jordan
Kidd is entertaining enough, but not on that level.
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It's always hard to figure out what we are judging with these type of questions. If a player has certain advantages when it comes to height, athleticism, scoring ability, ball handling/attacking the rim, etc, he can be a more effective passer. But if we attempt to normalize those factors and asses pure passing ability, it's a different discussion.
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Kidd. He wasnt the greatest facilitator ever/or most entertaining passer, but he was pretty freaking great.
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Lebrons a great passer but I wouldn't put him with the best passers of all time. Not a knock on him though. His uniqueness is having his vision and passing ability for a guy his size and build.
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I'd take Bird, he was ridiculous. That's not taking anything away from Kidd or Lebron (with Kidd finishing soundly ahead of Lebron), but Bird had a level of creativity they just couldn't reach.
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1.Kidd
2.Bird
3.James
2.Bird
3.James
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Bad-Thoma wrote:I'd take Bird, he was ridiculous. That's not taking anything away from Kidd or Lebron (with Kidd finishing soundly ahead of Lebron), but Bird had a level of creativity they just couldn't reach.
I love that you can hear him call out DJ 4 seconds before the pass comes down the court. 30 seconds in. Bird was on some different level, you can see that exemplified with the creative passing.

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