Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[mjkvol]

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Now we're ****.

So it's Harden's word against Morey's. Where's the definitive proof that f**ks the Sixers?

[eyeatoma]

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Now we're ****.

Eh, I dunno. First, I really doubt that the league finds anything damning/ actionable even if they do investigate. Second, if they do find something then Morey probably gets fired, and that might not be so bad in itself.

At this point I don't even care about Morey. If we get penalized with picks then we can't even trade Jo and do a rebuild. I mean you can but you'll be doing it blindfolded and with two hands tied behind your back.

[eyeatoma]

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Now we're ****.

So it's Harden's word against Morey's. Where's the definitive proof that f**ks the Sixers?

Apparently Harden's word is enough, there is a clause in the CBA.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/15uolxg/stein_there_are_now_calls_for_the_league_to/jwqnmh3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2


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[mjkvol]

Do we all agree that if the league investigates and penalizes the organization for this, that Morey should be fired?

If they penalize based on the word of Harden and his shyster lawyer? What other evidence could there possibly be?

[rocketsfan100]

Even if the Sixers offers him the max which they won’t this relationship is finished. I said it before hArden once he decides on something unfortunately he becomes to headstream for his own good

How do you see this playing out?

Seems like terrible decision making. His only 2 options to make the type of money he's looking for were short term deals with Morey or get traded to the richest owner in the league and actually over perform and win big... Unlikely.

His current stance paints him more into a corner. His actions are detrimental to the team, they could sit him and suspend him and save money when he acts out. If he just doesn't show up, same.... if he fakes an injury.... Who would trade for him or sign him next year?

Sixers were equipped for Harden you just leave, and hired a coach that could move them away from a ball dominant system.

Harden is his own worst enemy. He should buy in, upgrade his value and then get traded.

You summed it up he is his worst enemy.His best realistic option is to stay and have a good season to get paid by another team next season or atleast open of up a reasonable amount of teams you are willing to play for to drive up a market. Going to the clippers isn’t going to give him a chance to win because Kawhi is guaranteed to be injured . Atleast go to a average team so you can be the guy to drive up your value next season

[mjkvol]

NBA should just stop doing guaranteed contracts next bargaining agreement and follow the NFL model.

Couldn't agree more, as it should be in all pro sports, but once the players associations got that it is something that will never, ever be let go. That would be the ultimate line in the sand.

I would not care at all if the NBA went on a strike for a year via NHL to get a hard cap and flexibility in the cap operation. I’ve felt for years the dumbest thing for the NBA is that they are an over the cap league.

I don't disagree, but most team owners are doing just fine with the current system and wouldn't have the stomach for a shutdown of any length. Until the bottom line is in the red, team owners aren't going to kill the golden goose.

[NBD23]

Couldn't agree more, as it should be in all pro sports, but once the players associations got that it is something that will never, ever be let go. That would be the ultimate line in the sand.

I would not care at all if the NBA went on a strike for a year via NHL to get a hard cap and flexibility in the cap operation. I’ve felt for years the dumbest thing for the NBA is that they are an over the cap league.

I don't disagree, but most team owners are doing just fine with the current system and wouldn't have the stomach for a shutdown of any long-term length right now. Until the bottom line is in the red, team owners aren't going to kill the golden goose.

Or the threat of the bottom being red. At this point that is not near the case but in theory if people stop supporting the product due to perceived pre-madonnas there is a point where this becomes worth a long fight. I am all for player empowerment, just in a fair way for both sides. Right now, it seems the balance has shifted to far in one direction. Some might say (player supporters) the salary limit artificially deflates the players earning potential, so this is the balance, but it doesn't make for a good fan experience.

Maybe down the road the way around it is to get rid of the max contract and the guaranteed contract. Doesn't seem to be a good solution anywhere but we all know there is a problem.

[Stanford]

If they penalize based on the word of Harden and his shyster lawyer? What other evidence could there possibly be?

I have no idea, dude. It's a hypothetical.

[NYSixersFan]

The pay cut being for Tucker, House, and the tampering penalty losing a second is really the dumbest **** I’ve seen from the Sixers.

There's a lot to choose from. Hard to pick one.

[eyeatoma]

Read on Twitter

The only thing keeping me from losing my sanity with this team.

[NBD23]

Read on Twitter

The only thing keeping me from losing my sanity with this team.

True dat ... is it just me or does he look stronger? I should hope he is but it will be nice if he can hold his ground better this year.

[Ben]

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Now we're ****.

So it's Harden's word against Morey's. Where's the definitive proof that f**ks the Sixers?

Apparently Harden's word is enough, there is a clause in the CBA.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/15uolxg/stein_there_are_now_calls_for_the_league_to/jwqnmh3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2


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Thanks for directing us to that thread. The CBA line seems very broad, and I guess it would all depend upon the construction that "rational explanation" is given by Adam Silver or whoever's deciding the issue:

(d) A violation of Section 2(a) or 2(b) above may be proven by direct or circumstantial evidence, including, but not limited to, evidence that a Player Contract or any term or provision thereof cannot rationally be explained in the absence of conduct violative of Section 2(a) or 2(b).

To me (a non-lawyer) it seems kind of like the standard of a "reasonable doubt" in criminal trials. If Morey can come up with any way that Harden would have restructured his contract without having been promised that he would be given a max deal afterword, or that Harden would have exercised his player option without having been promised that he would be traded (or traded to a particular team), then I'd read it as no violation provable. But that's just me, not Silver.

[Arsenal]

That clause doesn't work to convict. Morey will just say Harden took the paycut so we could sign Tucker and House, which is objectively true.

Case closed.

[eyeatoma]

That clause doesn't work to convict. Morey will just say Harden took the paycut so we could sign Tucker and House, which is objectively true.

Case closed.

Yeah hopefully that's how the NBA interprets it as well. As was previously said it is very broad.

[mjkvol]

Read on Twitter

The only thing keeping me from losing my sanity with this team.

I watch that thinking of all the trade proposals on here running this kid out of town.

[Jailblazers7]

The fact that he’s cutting a promo for Drew Hanlen merch has me kind of worried lol he’s gonna get sucked into his orbit

[FireMorey]

Do we all agree that if the league investigates and penalizes the organization for this, that Morey should be fired?

Well, I'm already in that camp. I'll take it a step further. I'd be done with the NBA permanently. At that point it would be blatantly obvious the league has it out for the Sixers, because no organization has been punished and meddled like the Sixers have. And all organizations do the same exact stuff. The NBA just picks and chooses who to target. They've had it out for the Sixers ever since the process and tanking. Everyone knows it. And Silver probably has had it out for Morey ever since he said free Hong Kong.

Why anyone would ever watch a league that is actively singling out and targeting your team is beyond me. I'd just move on from the NBA and never watch it again like I did with the NHL years back.

[eyeatoma]

Do we all agree that if the league investigates and penalizes the organization for this, that Morey should be fired?

Well, I'm already in that camp. I'll take it a step further. I'd be done with the NBA permanently. At that point it would be blatantly obvious the league has it out for the Sixers, because no organization has been punished and meddled like the Sixers have. And all organizations do the same exact stuff. The NBA just picks and chooses who to target. They've had it out for the Sixers ever since the process and tanking. Everyone knows it. And Silver probably has had it out for Morey ever since he said free Hong Kong.

Why anyone would ever watch a league that is actively singling out and targeting your team is beyond me. I'd just move on from the NBA and never watch it again like I did with the NHL years back.

Yeah it would be a very hard product to watch. That being said, we already know rigging goes on. Watch the Tim Dounaghy documentary.

[eyeatoma]

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[HardenGoat]

Harden should have just played out this last year and sought a deal next year. What he did though is destroy the chemistry which we need going forward. I was completely shocked with what he did in China. Is the team even repairable at this point? My other big question is did this originate from Harris and not Morey. I find it hard to believe Morey would not try to keep him happy as the duo with Embiid did work and they were very close. What the hell happened around Christmas? This whole situation is horrible.