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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#721 » by Klomp » Sat Jul 29, 2023 3:18 pm

Don't forget we had Ramon Sessions at that time!

But we should probably steer this back towards basketball....
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#722 » by KATKlownFeet » Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:14 am

andyhop wrote:
GopherIt! wrote:
Note30 wrote:
Gay, Love, Sessions, Cousins, Johnson

We could had a dynasty.


Fixed

Or we could have signed a guard out of Belgium and ended up with.

Gay Love Cousins Huger Johnson


Hmm, you didn't mention the 13th pick of the Raptors this year, Gradey something or the B*lls, brothers, Lonzo and LaMelo.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#723 » by TimberKat » Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:20 am

Wolves are still 4.1 M under tax this coming year. Who can we bring in for the 15th spot? Also could trade JMcL+Moore to get a 10M player back? Get Will Barton, Della, Danny Green, Nowell, Ntilikina, Nunn, Oubre Jr, Rivers, Terrence Ross, TJ Warren, Watford, C.Wood? I go with Danny Green, get some 3pt shooting off the bench.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#724 » by shrink » Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:22 pm

This is the most boring time of the year for people that come here to look to the future, for possible transactions. The core pieces of our team are unlikely to be traded until Connelly gets a look at how they fit together. The new free agents we signed are ineligible to be traded until December, and we don’t know which of our new signee’s will become parts of the rotation. There are few free agents left that we know would beat out others on the team for rotation minutes. We don’t see any definite holes in our roster yet, plus everyone is healthy.

Unless Connelly can find a high risk, high upside player to stash on the cheap (let’s see who OKC dumps), I suspect he’s going to roll into the season with 14 guaranteed contracts. If he keeps the slot open for a few months, it gives him the flexibility of doing a 2-for-1 trade later, signing 10-day contracts, or promoting a two-way player to a guaranteed contract and making him playoff eligible. Using the 15th slot now means he’d have to guess where a hole is going to appear, and if he guesses wrong, he’s going to have to buy out a player down the road.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#725 » by TimberKat » Sun Jul 30, 2023 3:59 pm

Assume we want to go with 14 into the season, do you want to keep Moore Jr or move him and sign Danny Green (or others)? One of the key goal this off season is to find more 3pt shooting. Is Milton enough(as Brown basically replaces Prince)?
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#726 » by shrink » Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:16 pm

Tim Connelly is probably looking for continuity, but personally I would like him to use our ninth and tenth roster slots to give minutes to some of our young talent, then trade them for a profit. Minutes are needed to boost a player’s trade value, and right now I think we have so much talented depth, that a few trades wouldn’t cause a serious problem. Players that don’t get minutes lose trade value and are every day closer to being off their current cheap deals, so trades that create roster minutes for the next guy. This allows the Wolves to profit from Connelly’s great eye at finding talent, and maximizing the value of all the assets on the team.

For example, I would like to see Finch start the season with trying to get Wendell Moore Jr lots of minutes, see if he can show anything, and see if we can get a couple seconds back. I think we have the depth on the team right now that we need, and we could have 1-2 more slots to lock up some young win-later talent that has some upside.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#727 » by Biff Cooper » Sun Jul 30, 2023 6:48 pm

We can't sign a 3rd 2 way guy unless we fill the 15th roster spot. With the UCLA kid out most of the year, it is tough to predict what we'll do. Probably depends if there is a developmental guy we want to get in the system...
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#728 » by younggunsmn » Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:26 pm

Biff Cooper wrote:We can't sign a 3rd 2 way guy unless we fill the 15th roster spot. With the UCLA kid out most of the year, it is tough to predict what we'll do. Probably depends if there is a developmental guy we want to get in the system...


This is not correct. We can sign a 3rd 2 way guy, but are limited to 90 games active from 2-way players until we fill our 15th roster spot.


We do however have a RFA tender out to Matt Ryan that we can't rescind without his consent (deadline was 7/13), so we can't add a player until that is resolved, or we risk having to cut one of our 3 2-way guys if Ryan accepts the tender.
(Knicks put themselves in that situation this offseason).
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#729 » by younggunsmn » Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:35 pm

TimberKat wrote:Wolves are still 4.1 M under tax this coming year. Who can we bring in for the 15th spot? Also could trade JMcL+Moore to get a 10M player back? Get Will Barton, Della, Danny Green, Nowell, Ntilikina, Nunn, Oubre Jr, Rivers, Terrence Ross, TJ Warren, Watford, C.Wood? I go with Danny Green, get some 3pt shooting off the bench.


1 Rudy Gobert $ 41,000,000
2 Karl-Anthony Towns $ 36,016,200
3 Mike Conley Jr. $ 24,360,000
4 Anthony Edwards $ 13,534,817
5 Naz Reid $ 12,950,400
6 Kyle Anderson $ 9,219,512
7 Shake Milton $ 5,000,000
8 Nickeil Alexander-Walker $ 4,687,500
9 Troy Brown Jr. $ 4,000,000
10 Jaden McDaniels $ 3,901,399
11 Wendell Moore $ 2,421,720
12 Jordan McLaughlin $ 2,320,000
13 Leonard Miller $$1,801,769
14 Josh Minott $ 1,719,864

Total: 162,933,181
Luxury Tax: 165,294,000

Space below tax: 2,360,819

2 way players:
Garza
Clark

Gobert has 2 million in incentives in his contract too:
Rudy Gobert's contract includes an All-Defensive 1st Team bonus for $500,000, a $1,000,000 bonus for making the All-Star Game and two bonuses worth $250,000 each that factor in defensive rating and rebounds per game, according to Bobby Marks.


Copy paste from the Capology thread.

I have us at 2.36 million below.
It lists 2 million in incentives for Gobert, I don't see us adding a 15th player until after the all star break when we have certainty on whether Gobert would hit his incentives. I got that info from hoopshype so I'm open to any correction if those are incorrect.

If he doesn't make the All-Star game, we should have room to add a prorated minimum 15th player at that point, even if he hits his other incentives.
I don't see a 2 or 3 for one trade unless we save enough salary to offset refilling the roster spots with vet minimum players.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#730 » by Nick K » Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:37 pm

Right now we're at 14 roster spots with 2-2/way players in Garza and Jaylen Clark. I kind of like us keeping a spot open for the flexibility it gives us.

I liked Brandon Williams the PG we had in the summer league better than J Mac. It looks like they are sticking with J Mac though. I like Williams as a 2-way guy for the future if it can worked out.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#731 » by younggunsmn » Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:44 pm

Also interesting thing I found in the CBA, we can convert Exhibit 10 (camp contract) guys into 2-ways (if they are eligible) and either Exhibit 10's or 2-ways into regular one year contracts, whether the player likes it or not.

The ability to do that is mandated to be in those kinds of contracts.

So if we find a player we like in camp on an Exhibit 10, and he is less than a 4 year vet, we can turn him into a 2-way.

Also, the max you can guarantee in a 2-way before the season starts is 75k, so there isn't a whole lot of financial incentive for players to jump at those kind of contracts right now.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#732 » by shrink » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:00 pm

younggunsmn wrote:
Biff Cooper wrote:We can't sign a 3rd 2 way guy unless we fill the 15th roster spot. With the UCLA kid out most of the year, it is tough to predict what we'll do. Probably depends if there is a developmental guy we want to get in the system...


This is not correct. We can sign a 3rd 2 way guy, but are limited to 90 games active from 2-way players until we fill our 15th roster spot.

Younggunsmn is right, and I was misreporting earlier what I had heard.

For example, right now the Lakers have 13 players under contract, and 3 two-ways.

Sorry for the confusion, Biff.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#733 » by KATKlownFeet » Sat Aug 19, 2023 6:58 am

TyTy Washington is being waived by OKC now. I'd like to see the Wolves sign him.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#734 » by Biff Cooper » Sat Aug 19, 2023 10:35 am

KATKlownFeet wrote:TyTy Washington is being waived by OKC now. I'd like to see the Wolves sign him.


I agree
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#735 » by TimberKat » Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:49 pm

Biff Cooper wrote:
KATKlownFeet wrote:TyTy Washington is being waived by OKC now. I'd like to see the Wolves sign him.


I agree

Wasn't he one of the main pieces that someone proposed for a OKC Towns trade? 1st round picks are lottery tickets - worthlessness most of the time.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#736 » by twolves31 » Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:38 pm

KATKlownFeet wrote:TyTy Washington is being waived by OKC now. I'd like to see the Wolves sign him.


30, 7, 7 in 5 G League games. G League stats may not translate to the NBA often, but still worth picking up at a low cost flyer. If he can pass the ball to the open player at the right time, and make the open 3 he can be beneficial.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#737 » by thinktank » Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:18 pm

twolves31 wrote:
KATKlownFeet wrote:TyTy Washington is being waived by OKC now. I'd like to see the Wolves sign him.


30, 7, 7 in 5 G League games. G League stats may not translate to the NBA often, but still worth picking up at a low cost flyer. If he can pass the ball to the open player at the right time, and make the open 3 he can be beneficial.


25% shooter from three in G league. He can’t shoot yet. That’s the thing.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#738 » by BlacJacMac » Sat Aug 19, 2023 7:11 pm

He’d be a great use of our last 2-way.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#739 » by Klomp » Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:49 pm

I wouldn’t be opposed to giving him an unguaranteed deal as the 15th man, if that’s what it took to beat out other teams.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#740 » by Clav » Sat Aug 19, 2023 10:55 pm

Ty Ty was the starting guard on the runner-up to champion GL team RGV Vipers [2023] and he played pretty damn well over that season. He's a scorer first and could easily do what Nowell provided but deeper on the depth chart.

Also Hawks waived Vit Krejci and he's not a bad option if Minny wants a little more passing and size from the guard position to sacrifice pure shooting.
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