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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1841 » by the_process » Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:43 pm

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Arsenal wrote:I'm just going to state that I'm still open to Harden returning to play out his contract, assuming he plays hard and doesn't pull shenanigans. That's better than doing a bad trade out of desperation.

As for the drama and tension, it's just business. Ish happens. Professionals can bury the hatchet and move forward.


The idea that Harden will forget the entire offseason and just show up and play hard and not pull shenanigans is unrealistic.

They were willing to let Harden walk. Trading him now for expirings is the same thing. And I have to believe if Morey actually comes to the table realistically, then he can get the Clippers to add a first as well.


it's not unrealistic. Harden knows that if he dogs it again, this time going into free agency, he may cost himself tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars in future contracts. He has all the incentive in the world to perform well.

Like the legend Charlie Munger said... "Show me the incentive, and I'll show you the outcome"


Harden still thinks he's the best player in the league. Therefore he expects to get a max contract no matter what. Whatever sane things he says are 100% his agent telling him what to do.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1842 » by the_process » Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:46 pm

Another thing... Let's not pretend that Harden does not always and forever choke/quit in the biggest situations like clockwork. Why would you want that guy back? He's holding the franchise back. Even Morey at least somewhat sees that, because he didn't just blindly throw him the bag. Just move on.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1843 » by Arsenal » Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:13 am

We don't need Harden. A savior rises...

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1844 » by SixthStreet » Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:45 am

He's going to be a good rotation player at some point for someone. It's all confidence driven for Kork. Look at the the way he moves freely and confidently for Turkey. The body language is so much better than it is in the NBA.
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Post#1845 » by mjkvol » Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:25 am

Wouldn't it be something if Nurse got this kind of performance out of him, and Kork actually became the off the bench sniper we were always hoping for? Honestly, nothing will surprise me now that the cancer of Glenn has finally been removed.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1846 » by Arsenal » Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:35 am

Agree. Will not be surprised one bit if Kork becomes a solid rotation player under Nurse.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1847 » by Mik317 » Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:57 pm

Korkmaz is more likely to get Isiah Joe'd than get minutes lol
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1848 » by Arsenal » Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:47 pm

Mik317 wrote:Korkmaz is more likely to get Isiah Joe'd than get minutes lol


Unlikely. Kork has a $5m guarantee this year which can be filler in a trade even if he's not going to play. Plus the depth chart we've seen this year has Kork in the rotation as a wing backup.

OTOH Joe last year was unguaranteed and buried on the depth chart.
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Post#1849 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:01 pm

I said it earlier this summer. Kork has a chance to eat this year.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1850 » by FireMorey » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:39 pm

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1851 » by Stanford » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:41 pm

Well that confirms it. There was no promise.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1852 » by FireMorey » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:46 pm

So let's recap:

Not only is Harden demanding a trade.
Not only is Harden demanding a trade to one specific team.
He's demanding the time frame in which he is traded.

No sports league comes close to matching the level of entitlement of the NBA. This has gotten way beyond the point of absurdity and it's time for Silver to step in. This is untenable. You can't allow players under contract demanding trades to specific teams and now the immediacy in which trades are completed. This isn't a "Get James Harden to LA" charity. Morey is a GM and his job is to make the Sixers better. Not to appease James Harden. The fact that Harden thinks Morey's job is to acquiesce to Harden's demands shows how years of entitlement has warped the minds of players. This cannot be allowed to continue.

How Adam Silver doesn't see how bad this is for the NBA is beyond me. If he wanted to pick his team, he should've opted out. Take some damn accountability.
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Post#1853 » by Warfelg » Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:17 pm

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1854 » by GutUNC » Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:21 pm

FireMorey wrote:So let's recap:

Not only is Harden demanding a trade.
Not only is Harden demanding a trade to one specific team.
He's demanding the time frame in which he is traded.

No sports league comes close to matching the level of entitlement of the NBA. This has gotten way beyond the point of absurdity and it's time for Silver to step in. This is untenable. You can't allow players under contract demanding trades to specific teams and now the immediacy in which trades are completed. This isn't a "Get James Harden to LA" charity. Morey is a GM and his job is to make the Sixers better. Not to appease James Harden. The fact that Harden thinks Morey's job is to acquiesce to Harden's demands shows how years of entitlement has warped the minds of players. This cannot be allowed to continue.

How Adam Silver doesn't see how bad this is for the NBA is beyond me. If he wanted to pick his team, he should've opted out. Take some damn accountability.


Adam's too busy working out his next handshake routine with the players to be bothered to tell them something they don't want to hear. He's the polar opposite of Roger Goodell (which isn't to say that Goodell is good/right/fair).
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1855 » by Mik317 » Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:22 pm

the temper tantrum only started after the news of Morey basically going "oh well I tried lul" came out
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1856 » by Warfelg » Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:24 pm

GutUNC wrote:
FireMorey wrote:So let's recap:

Not only is Harden demanding a trade.
Not only is Harden demanding a trade to one specific team.
He's demanding the time frame in which he is traded.

No sports league comes close to matching the level of entitlement of the NBA. This has gotten way beyond the point of absurdity and it's time for Silver to step in. This is untenable. You can't allow players under contract demanding trades to specific teams and now the immediacy in which trades are completed. This isn't a "Get James Harden to LA" charity. Morey is a GM and his job is to make the Sixers better. Not to appease James Harden. The fact that Harden thinks Morey's job is to acquiesce to Harden's demands shows how years of entitlement has warped the minds of players. This cannot be allowed to continue.

How Adam Silver doesn't see how bad this is for the NBA is beyond me. If he wanted to pick his team, he should've opted out. Take some damn accountability.


Adam's too busy working out his next handshake routine with the players to be bothered to tell them something they don't want to hear. He's the polar opposite of Roger Goodell (which isn't to say that Goodell is good/right/fair).

I think owners might be tiring of him being so pro player. He needs to remember commissioners answers to owners.


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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1857 » by Stanford » Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:35 pm

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1858 » by Mr Chim » Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:06 pm

The NBA has become a clown show. If Silver doesn't step in and do something soon, they're going to start losing viewership. I'm a pretty dedicated fan and I'm on the brink myself.

Get rid of the cap and this all goes away. Players can get paid what the market dictates they get paid and you can sign contracts and take your services to wherever you'd like.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1859 » by FireMorey » Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:21 pm

Mr Chim wrote:The NBA has become a clown show. If Silver doesn't step in and do something soon, they're going to start losing viewership. I'm a pretty dedicated fan and I'm on the brink myself.

Get rid of the cap and this all goes away. Players can get paid what the market dictates they get paid and you can sign contracts and take your services to wherever you'd like.


Get rid of the cap and every star in the league will all join the Lakers and forget a "Big 3" they'll have a "Big 15." Which speaks to another problem in the NBA, the value of competition and beating your peers. Players want to piggyback their way to titles.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1860 » by Warfelg » Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:28 pm

NBA needs to do a hard cap, tied with some sort of cap relief for teams that keeps player compensation whole while teams shed a percent of their contract while also ditching max deals.

The NBA has the money and ability to do it. They just cry poor enough you believe them.

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