Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[JRoy]

The reason this Portland fan denigrates OG's impact is the same reason Portland could never get over the hump with Lillard. Cant have a lineup full of mediocre to below average defenders, but even worse, can't even appreciate why the team fails.

Straw man.

Never said that. OG is a fine player but he is a defensive role player who needs to play off a star to thrive in a catch and shoot role because he is terrible at everything else on offense.

On defense he is elite, with some switchability; a very nice player.

But trading a star (Lillard) for a high end role player (OG) never works out well.

OG cannot be the center piece in a Lillard deal. He is looking to get paid as a UFA.

The idea that I am rebutting these trade ideas to spite TOR are ridiculous. I am rebutting them because they are good only for TOR.

I don't get it though. Can't you just use the same logic as the Grant signing and just flip him down the road for even more assets? The road doesn't end with just having OG. If the rumors are true, that's another potential 3 FRPs you can nab. I don't think Herro gets you the same.

The Grant signing was a terrible idea. I’d love to move him but I guess the thinking is the FO wants s solid vet on the team when Lillard departs. Not bringing OG on at his salary and flight risk for the chance to possibly move him for 3 picks later.

[KrazyP]

Can you at least attempt to answer this question?

I still havent recieved any response to my question....

Perhaps your silence means you realize Lillard has extremely limited trade value and waiting isnt going to increase his trade value like you suggested.

I respond to a lot of people; if I overlook a message it’s not intentional.

I would like Ben Simmons and FRP.

I dont think the Blazers brass would want Simmons at all. Biggest negative asset in the league.

A guy like Herro has considerably more value....if the Heat offered Herro for Simmons, the Nets would make the deal without thinking twice.

[ItsDanger]

Signing Grant suggests they're incompetent and don't know what they're doing. Now, everyone knows they want to dump him after Lillard. The selection of Kris Murray (can be decent bench player) is in no way a rebuild the pick at #23.

[JRoy]

I still havent recieved any response to my question....

Perhaps your silence means you realize Lillard has extremely limited trade value and waiting isnt going to increase his trade value like you suggested.

I respond to a lot of people; if I overlook a message it’s not intentional.

I would like Ben Simmons and FRP.

I dont think the Blazers brass would want Simmons at all. Biggest negative asset in the league.

A guy like Herro has considerably more value....if the Heat offered Herro for Simmons, the Nets would make the deal without thinking twice.

Simmons is high risk/high reward. He could bust and. E worst contract in the league. He could return to form and be a great complement to POR guards.

Herro is just another expensive one way guard. Is he better than Simons? Even if he is, what team needs two of that player.

[KrazyP]

I respond to a lot of people; if I overlook a message it’s not intentional.

I would like Ben Simmons and FRP.

I dont think the Blazers brass would want Simmons at all. Biggest negative asset in the league.

A guy like Herro has considerably more value....if the Heat offered Herro for Simmons, the Nets would make the deal without thinking twice.

Simmons is high risk/high reward. He could bust and. E worst contract in the league. He could return to form and be a great complement to POR guards.

Herro is just another expensive one way guard. Is he better than Simons? Even if he is, what team needs two of that player.

Its about asset management. Herro has some value. Simmons has no value.

[docholliday99]

What's Portland doing in FA that makes OG such a horrible contract to pay lol. Ya'll getting Giannis or Tatum in FA ?

Your young guys will be on rookie contracts for the next 3-4 years. By the time you have to pay them OG's contract will be done.

Got it; it’s ok to overpay a roleplayer because POR won’t be signing an MVP candidate.

I remain unconvinced.

There are different levels to players in roles. You're talking as if one role player is the same as another.

Example, when the Warriors won their last championship, Klay Thompson was very much a role player, and was taking up 20% of the team's cap. MPJ took up 24% of Denver's cap last season.

The salary cap does rise. OG is considered elite in his role. Someone will pay a huge sum for him and he's the type of player who will fit a team with championship aspirations. Maybe Portland isn't at a stage where they need someone like him, but he definitely fits a need for Portland to be a good team.

I agree that any team could use OG and so could the Blazers. I also agree that it's not the right time for a team like the Blazers to bring in a player like OG, as it would probably make them ok but not great. Knowing the team is much like the Raptors, in their inability to bring in high quality FA's, the Blazers will need to rely on the draft to get their high level talent. The only way to do that is to suck BUT, they just made the move for OG and are now devaluing their own picks to potentially drop out of the lottery. Could they now flip OG? Sure they could but the Blazers would be in the same position as the Raptors, having a player that is heading to UFA status to maximize his paypay, in an offseason full of team's that can pay him away to a team he would like to play for, thus devaluing his trade status - we're asking the Blazers to take on our problem and smile about it in the process. So to balance or offset that risk, the Raptors would need to add young talent, like Gradey or Barnes, or add FRPs, which the Raps can't till 2028. It would be better for the Blazers to just keep Dame and sit him, avoid our problem and suck for the lottery.

[JRoy]

I dont think the Blazers brass would want Simmons at all. Biggest negative asset in the league.

A guy like Herro has considerably more value....if the Heat offered Herro for Simmons, the Nets would make the deal without thinking twice.

Simmons is high risk/high reward. He could bust and. E worst contract in the league. He could return to form and be a great complement to POR guards.

Herro is just another expensive one way guard. Is he better than Simons? Even if he is, what team needs two of that player.

Its about asset management. Herro has some value. Simmons has no value.

That is the prevailing opinion. I do not agree.

[Ackshun]

I dont think the Blazers brass would want Simmons at all. Biggest negative asset in the league.

A guy like Herro has considerably more value....if the Heat offered Herro for Simmons, the Nets would make the deal without thinking twice.

Simmons is high risk/high reward. He could bust and. E worst contract in the league. He could return to form and be a great complement to POR guards.

Herro is just another expensive one way guard. Is he better than Simons? Even if he is, what team needs two of that player.

Its about asset management. Herro has some value. Simmons has no value.

No sense in even continuing this discussion. Dude would rather Ben Simmons instead of Herro or OG.

[Pointgod]

Raptors could go to the Spurs and remove protections on the Poeltl trade, but they’d have to add in some type of sweetener (like a future pick swap).

Absolutely. I suggested that once when looking at a trade (as a player like Dame you would think the Raps would be better than a 24th team in the league) but the furor and posts with **** in them were not in favor of it

You guys are dreaming if you think it'll only be a sweetener like a swap!

If we don't get Dame, they stand a decent chance of getting a 7-12 range lottery pick. If we trade for Dame, we're not finishing bottom 6 and our 2024 pick will be conveyed to SAS worth much less, somewhere in the 20-something pick range.

Huge difference in draft capital, why would they want to help us get Dame? They will surely ask for more than just a sweetener.

Fair point but they can’t ask for much more because we could just go to another team to get picks if push came to shove. Anything more than a pick swap and additional second round picks makes absolutely no sense. And if I’m the Spurs I’m definitely taking a future pick swap from a team who’s going all in now on a 33 year old point guard because they could get the same trade done without me.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

What's Portland doing in FA that makes OG such a horrible contract to pay lol. Ya'll getting Giannis or Tatum in FA ?

Your young guys will be on rookie contracts for the next 3-4 years. By the time you have to pay them OG's contract will be done.

Got it; it’s ok to overpay a roleplayer because POR won’t be signing an MVP candidate.

I remain unconvinced.

Not sure why you need convincing. You aren't part of the blazers FO lol.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Simmons is high risk/high reward. He could bust and. E worst contract in the league. He could return to form and be a great complement to POR guards.

Herro is just another expensive one way guard. Is he better than Simons? Even if he is, what team needs two of that player.

Its about asset management. Herro has some value. Simmons has no value.

No sense in even continuing this discussion. Dude would rather Ben Simmons instead of Herro or OG.

at this point dude is just trolling...we're just giving him more oxygen to breathe.

[NotMyKawhi]

Simmons is high risk/high reward. He could bust and. E worst contract in the league. He could return to form and be a great complement to POR guards.

Herro is just another expensive one way guard. Is he better than Simons? Even if he is, what team needs two of that player.

Its about asset management. Herro has some value. Simmons has no value.

That is the prevailing opinion. I do not agree.

Not only does Simmons have no value, bk would have to trade at least a 1st just to get off the contract.

[JRoy]

Its about asset management. Herro has some value. Simmons has no value.

That is the prevailing opinion. I do not agree.

Not only does Simmons have no value, bk would have to trade at least a 1st just to get off the contract.

Agreed. At this time, Young Socialite has negative value. I think there is a good chance that could change this season.

[docholliday99]

Regarding the Heat, the purported leaked deal had the Heat preparing an offer that includes 3-4 future first-round picks, expiring contracts, second-round picks, draft swaps, and a young player, (probably Jaquez who would fit with Scoot and Sharpe). That would suggest Herro's on the move somewhere if that package is accepted. That's almost what Portland has asked for, they wanted 2 young players coming back with expiring and picks but the extra draft capital makes sense. I don't see other teams being able to offer better.

As for this Simmons discussion, I think it's a terrible idea. Not only Simmons has negative value, he hasn't proven his health or commitment (except to himself), plus he needs and wants the ball in his hands; that should be Scoot. I think it would be a negative distraction and a negative deal.

[NotMyKawhi]

Regarding the Heat, the purported leaked deal had the Heat preparing an offer that includes 3-4 future first-round picks, expiring contracts, second-round picks, draft swaps, and a young player, (probably Jaquez who would fit with Scoot and Sharpe). That would suggest Herro's on the move somewhere if that package is accepted. That's almost what Portland has asked for, they wanted 2 young players coming back with expiring and picks but the extra draft capital makes sense. I don't see other teams being able to offer better.

As for this Simmons discussion, I think it's a terrible idea. Not only Simmons has negative value, he hasn't proven his health or commitment (except to himself), plus he needs and wants the ball in his hands; that should be Scoot. I think it would be a negative distraction and a negative deal.

Dick(portland would love him) Koloko, Precious, thad, Otto, Gary Trent, boucher 3 1st, multiple 2nds and pick swaps

[NotMyKawhi]

Regarding the Heat, the purported leaked deal had the Heat preparing an offer that includes 3-4 future first-round picks, expiring contracts, second-round picks, draft swaps, and a young player, (probably Jaquez who would fit with Scoot and Sharpe). That would suggest Herro's on the move somewhere if that package is accepted. That's almost what Portland has asked for, they wanted 2 young players coming back with expiring and picks but the extra draft capital makes sense. I don't see other teams being able to offer better.

As for this Simmons discussion, I think it's a terrible idea. Not only Simmons has negative value, he hasn't proven his health or commitment (except to himself), plus he needs and wants the ball in his hands; that should be Scoot. I think it would be a negative distraction and a negative deal.

Dick(portland would love him) Koloko, Precious, thad, Otto, Gary Trent, boucher 3 1st, multiple 2nds and pick swaps

Dick>Jaquez
Precious>Jaquez

Trent could get the same value as herro. If not, throw in Koloko too.

Dame, Scottie, OG, Pascal, Poeltl
Boucher, McDaniels, temple, flynn

[docholliday99]

Regarding the Heat, the purported leaked deal had the Heat preparing an offer that includes 3-4 future first-round picks, expiring contracts, second-round picks, draft swaps, and a young player, (probably Jaquez who would fit with Scoot and Sharpe). That would suggest Herro's on the move somewhere if that package is accepted. That's almost what Portland has asked for, they wanted 2 young players coming back with expiring and picks but the extra draft capital makes sense. I don't see other teams being able to offer better.

As for this Simmons discussion, I think it's a terrible idea. Not only Simmons has negative value, he hasn't proven his health or commitment (except to himself), plus he needs and wants the ball in his hands; that should be Scoot. I think it would be a negative distraction and a negative deal.

Dick(portland would love him) Koloko, Precious, thad, Otto, Gary Trent, boucher 3 1st, multiple 2nds and pick swaps

Dick>Jaquez
Precious>Jaquez

Trent could get the same value as herro. If not, throw in Koloko too.

Dame, Scottie, OG, Pascal, Poeltl
Boucher, McDaniels, temple, flynn

ATM the Raptors only have 2 available frps to trade - 2028 and 2030 - which would be a big issue for Portland. Gradey is interesting when compared to Jaquez, I think Gradey has the higher ceiling but has a ways to go; he was pushed around in summer league and struggled with his shot, he's going to need time. Will say Vasquez looked the better 2-way player but too earlier to say. Precious...I don't know, the potential's there but hasn't quite put it together (and Masai loves this guy). As for Trent, Herro has far more value for what he brings - younger, better rebounding, passing, better scorer and can actually play the 1 - both struggle on defense though. Maybe GTJ under Darko will evolve a bit.

If the team had the available draft capital? Maybe but the team would have to go to the Spurs to release conditions on the frp but it's been noted that it's in the Spurs favor not to help the facilitate a Dame trade without exacting more draft capital from the Raptors. Even then, with the pick going to the Spurs unconditionally in 2024, that would leave the 26th, 28th, 30th frps, swaps plus whatever extra sent to the Spurs to make it work. Seems awfully steep for a couple seasons.

[ArthurVandelay]

Dame unfollows Portland yesterday and follows Jimmy today

Is today the day the NBA summer trade flood gates open?

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[Son Goku 25]

Damn I don't know if I feel for their fans or not. The guy hasn't even been traded and still part of that team and he unfollows them. It's their own doing though and he's been loyal so not a great look.

[Los_29]

Damn I don't know if I feel for their fans or not. The guy hasn't even been traded and still part of that team and he unfollows them. It's their own doing though and he's been loyal so not a great look.

I think the only thing he was loyal to was the money. What he's done this offseason has put that organization in a terrible spot.