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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1921 » by Iverson Armband » Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:24 am

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I don't take the deal. I call Harden's bluff. None of the package you've mentioned makes us more competitive.

Dude, Harden will be a year older and fatter with a schitt attitude. He’s making us competitive right on up to another second round exit if we’re lucky at this point. If you’re content with that be my guest, but keep in mind he also blocks Maxey.

Give me another potential starting piece in Mann, a promising rookie in Brown and a restock of the pick cupboard 10 times out of 10.


Don't call me "Dude". We were one quarter away from the eastern finals with Embiid playing like sh*t. Harden has no place to go. I'll take any trade with Brown, Mann and a future FRP. Morey can flip Brown and the FRP for something of value. Let's see if they make the offer.

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1922 » by HardenGoat » Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:51 am

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The problem is that the Clippers have nothing to trade if they're not willing to trade future picks. Powell's contract makes him negative value. Covington and Morris are just filler to make the money work. Leaving us with Kobe Brown. Kobe Brown for Harden? That's not a fair deal without something more. Mann is a rotation player. Okay. Mann plus Brown, a rotation player and a low first. Plus what else? I'm sorry to say, but a disgruntled Harden in a contract is better than a rotation player and Brown. And if Harden chooses not to report to camp or come to camp out of shape, it will hurt his value in next season's free-agency market. The Sixers will get $36 mil off the books. I think Morey and Harris should give his agent the right to find a trade that a) doesn't add negative value, b) brings back a good player and/or c) brings back at least two future firsts or a future first plus Brown, if they want Brown.

You write Terrence Mann off as just a “rotational player”, what exactly do you expect to get back for a lazy choke artist who has publicly stated he won’t play here? Mann is comparable to if not better than Melton. What’s wrong with having two of those guys around Jo and Maxey? As stated, Kobe Brown is getting a FRP this year and then if the Clips throw in another future first, that’s a nice package. Mann on that contract is worth a late FRP himself like Melton was a year ago. Morey would be absolutely nuts not to accept a deal like that.


For the sake of argument, if the trade were Mann and Brown ONLY!, it might be worth it. But how do you get the numbers to work without taking back negative value. Powell's negative value. Good player but three years/$57 mil.

BTW: Are the Clippers offering Brown a future FRP and Mann?

Powell could be flipped to a third team like the Hornets or Spurs. He has plenty of value to those teams. Even the Nets could use him for a positive return. I can see this playing out that way if Harden stays dug in and can’t be convinced to play out his contract. Certainly by the trade deadline.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1923 » by 76ciology » Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:43 am

Evan Fournier is a good buy low candidate. He moves and shoots well off ball (fits that JJ or Seth role) which we need with our current stationary offense.
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Post#1924 » by 76ciology » Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:53 am

Just playing around…

Why can’t Morey and Harden just do something like..

Including last season, instead of getting a $50M contract for 4 seasons? We then just spread it to 6-8 years on $35M?

2022-2023: 50 32yrs old
2023-2024: 50 33yrs old
2024-2025: 50 34yrs old
2025-2026: 50 35yrs old

2022-2023: 35 32yrs old
2023-2024: 35 33yrs old
2024-2025: 35 34yrs old
2025-2026: 35 35yrs old
2027-2028: 35 36yrs old
2028-2029: 35 37yrs old
2029-2030: 20-30M per year bonus for his generosity
2030-2031: 20-30M per year bonus for his generosity

CP3 is paid 30M at age 38 and 39.

Sixers sacrifices some cap space, which I personally dont think its a big deal with how the value of money is going on right now and I always find value of cap depends on the ownership. And quite frankly, we can always do these behind the table deals if we’re talking like grown men here.

Harden sacrifices with some awareness that he’s not getting a $50M contract anywhere, and he has clearly shown decline.

If Sixers do it, can Sixers sign a near max FA and re-sign Harden at $35M?
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Post#1925 » by 76ciology » Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:12 am

Lonzo seems not ready to retire, if that’s the case we can do a Tobi-Tucker for Derozan-Lonzo deal where Bulls incentive is they can save $10M on lonzo’s contract.
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Post#1926 » by Decipher » Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:51 am

Negrodamus wrote:I guess this was his plan to "make things uncomfortable".

That said, Harden made 300k in seconds during his live stream in China dancing around selling his wine, so....


People have no idea how much celebrities pull in

That's a day's salary for him & I guarantee that he could replace it by turning up to the opening of an envelope

My daughter went to a 7yo birthday party where Kylie Minogue was paid $1 million to sing Happy Birthday plus about 5 other songs
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1927 » by Arsenal » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:50 am

76ciology wrote:Evan Fournier is a good buy low candidate. He moves and shoots well off ball (fits that JJ or Seth role) which we need with our current stationary offense.


If we get Morris in a LAC deal, flip him for Fournier.
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Post#1928 » by 76ciology » Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:39 am

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76ciology wrote:Evan Fournier is a good buy low candidate. He moves and shoots well off ball (fits that JJ or Seth role) which we need with our current stationary offense.


If we get Morris in a LAC deal, flip him for Fournier.


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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1929 » by hookshot199 » Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:05 pm

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Iverson Armband wrote:You write Terrence Mann off as just a “rotational player”, what exactly do you expect to get back for a lazy choke artist who has publicly stated he won’t play here? Mann is comparable to if not better than Melton. What’s wrong with having two of those guys around Jo and Maxey? As stated, Kobe Brown is getting a FRP this year and then if the Clips throw in another future first, that’s a nice package. Mann on that contract is worth a late FRP himself like Melton was a year ago. Morey would be absolutely nuts not to accept a deal like that.


For the sake of argument, if the trade were Mann and Brown ONLY!, it might be worth it. But how do you get the numbers to work without taking back negative value. Powell's negative value. Good player but three years/$57 mil.

BTW: Are the Clippers offering Brown a future FRP and Mann?

Powell could be flipped to a third team like the Hornets or Spurs. He has plenty of value to those teams. Even the Nets could use him for a positive return. I can see this playing out that way if Harden stays dug in and can’t be convinced to play out his contract. Certainly by the trade deadline.


Maybe and maybe not. We don't have second-round picks to move players along. Unless Morey and Nurse want him for the next three years, he's negative value.
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Post#1930 » by the_process » Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:51 pm

hookshot199 wrote:
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For the sake of argument, if the trade were Mann and Brown ONLY!, it might be worth it. But how do you get the numbers to work without taking back negative value. Powell's negative value. Good player but three years/$57 mil.

BTW: Are the Clippers offering Brown a future FRP and Mann?

Powell could be flipped to a third team like the Hornets or Spurs. He has plenty of value to those teams. Even the Nets could use him for a positive return. I can see this playing out that way if Harden stays dug in and can’t be convinced to play out his contract. Certainly by the trade deadline.


Maybe and maybe not. We don't have second-round picks to move players along. Unless Morey and Nurse want him for the next three years, he's negative value.


I have to believe you could move Powell for Trent or Fournier.
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Post#1931 » by Arsenal » Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:15 pm

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HardenGoat wrote:Powell could be flipped to a third team like the Hornets or Spurs. He has plenty of value to those teams. Even the Nets could use him for a positive return. I can see this playing out that way if Harden stays dug in and can’t be convinced to play out his contract. Certainly by the trade deadline.


Maybe and maybe not. We don't have second-round picks to move players along. Unless Morey and Nurse want him for the next three years, he's negative value.


I have to believe you could move Powell for Trent or Fournier.


Then that needs to happen as part of the initial trade. Under no circumstances will we accept Powell on our team. That creates extra risk.

And I have serious doubts you can flip Powell for an expiring. That could be what's holding up the deal right now.
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Post#1932 » by the_process » Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:33 pm

Arsenal wrote:
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Maybe and maybe not. We don't have second-round picks to move players along. Unless Morey and Nurse want him for the next three years, he's negative value.


I have to believe you could move Powell for Trent or Fournier.


Then that needs to happen as part of the initial trade. Under no circumstances will we accept Powell on our team. That creates extra risk.

And I have serious doubts you can flip Powell for an expiring. That could be what's holding up the deal right now.


IMO the "hold up" is Morey has never really wanted to trade Harden. So he's asking for 2 unprotected 1sts and 2 swaps plus all expirings. I don't think the Clippers see Harden as a big difference maker for them, so they aren't willing to pay nearly that much.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4 

Post#1933 » by Skates » Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:48 pm

When did Evan Fournier become good at playing NBA level basketball? Last I looked he has a handful of impressive games or short stretches of games where he looks good, but for the most part he is not a good NBA player, just an occasional tease guy that tricks you into thinking he is better than he is.
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Post#1934 » by the_process » Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:21 pm

Skates wrote:When did Evan Fournier become good at playing NBA level basketball? Last I looked he has a handful of impressive games or short stretches of games where he looks good, but for the most part he is not a good NBA player, just an occasional tease guy that tricks you into thinking he is better than he is.


He's not, which is why Thibs doesn't always play him, and also why the Knicks have been trying to trade him for the better part of two years. His contract is essentially expiring however, as his last year is a TO IIRC.
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Post#1935 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:26 pm

I remember Fournier burned us a few times last year. He kind of just comes out of nowhere and has a big game every now and then. Not sure why we are even mentioning him because I honestly feel like Furkan Forkmaz can bring the same exact set of skills to this team. In fact, they are very similar players in my opinion. Korkmaz just gets paid a ton less and hasn't really ever gotten a full opportunity in any kind of role. Blame Doc for that one, but that's a different topic.
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Post#1936 » by GoSixersBro » Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 pm

Korkmaz doesn't have the confidence to be an NBA contributor. Maybe as a bench player on an absolute terrible team, but can we please?
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Post#1937 » by hookshot199 » Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:37 pm

GoSixersBro wrote:Korkmaz doesn't have the confidence to be an NBA contributor. Maybe as a bench player on an absolute terrible team, but can we please?


Kork does many things well, but he never became a reliable 3-point shooter.
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Post#1938 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:49 pm

Not sure how reliable Howard beck is he said he is hearing 3 other teams outside of Clippers that might be interested.
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Post#1939 » by Arsenal » Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:57 pm

rocketsfan100 wrote:Not sure how reliable Howard beck is he said he is hearing 3 other teams outside of Clippers that might be interested.


A bidding war is what we need.
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Post#1940 » by M2J » Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:11 am

the_process wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
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I have to believe you could move Powell for Trent or Fournier.


Then that needs to happen as part of the initial trade. Under no circumstances will we accept Powell on our team. That creates extra risk.

And I have serious doubts you can flip Powell for an expiring. That could be what's holding up the deal right now.


IMO the "hold up" is Morey has never really wanted to trade Harden. So he's asking for 2 unprotected 1sts and 2 swaps plus all expirings. I don't think the Clippers see Harden as a big difference maker for them, so they aren't willing to pay nearly that much.


1. I think Harden would be a huge difference maker for Clipps. He's a good enough scorer that they can load manage through the season, and their offense would be maybe the best in the league when healthy. Plus he can shoot off ball for them. The fact that Westbrook is still there gives then good depth. Mann and Westbrook clash for minutes anyhow. A healthy Clippers team,

2. To Arsenal, I'll push back on the Powell concerns. A Mann, Powell,Roco or other filler trade that includes Tucker going West still gives Philly a max spot to play with next season, so long as you move Reed and don't pick up Springer (which are probably strong possibilities anyhow)... Even with them the path to using that cap space next year is either Siakam or a trade anyhow, and both are movable deals (Springer and Reed).

The Sixers would have pretty much only movable contracts except Powell... And I think only 2 years left and a good season here could make him movable too. This system is with Nurse suits him well, and he could be exactly what's needed this year along with Mann.

This is with the added benefit of having a complete roster this year, that's built well around your MVP in his prime and budding young star with Harden far away from him.

Is the Clippers trade ideal for Philly? No unless they overpay with picks. But it's better than actually having Harden come back, even if he's actually trying. Hopefully better moves come around from other teams, but it needs to be an option

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