Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

76ciology · Post #1961 » by **76ciology** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:54 am

Id rather have Terq Smith than Jaden Ivey

Kobblehead · Post #1962 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:49 am

These are the guys on our team that scored 7 or more ppg in the playoffs:

Embiid - 43.1% shooting
Maxey - 42.7% shooting
Harden - 39.3% shooting
Harris - 52.2% shooting
Melton - 38.3% shooting

Outside of Tobias Harris, this team had a serious problem with missed field goal attempts. You know who does not have that problem? Terance Mann. A career 52.8% shooter in the playoffs.

Playoffs are about maximizing possessions with made field goals. You need as many efficiency gawds as you can get your hands on.

That's why this team needs Terance Mann.

Mik317 · Post #1963 » by **Mik317** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:19 pm

FG% is such a misleading stat by itself.

Where are the shots coming from? Whats the volume? Is it self created? Is it contested?

Can't use that by itself to make a point IMO.

Kobblehead · Post #1964 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:46 pm

In the context of wanting to maximize possessions in a playoff setting, FG% is very appropriate stat to focus on.

Also, it's for the best to limit self-created looks and settling for contested attempts in the playoffs. The more low percentage attempts you take, the easier you're making it for the defense. The key to winning chips is ball movement and high percentage looks. Something that Harden doesn't and probably will never understand.

Mann's efficiency is even more impressive when you consider where the attempts come from.

Career Playoffs:
Mann: 52.8% from the field, average shot distance of 15.6 feet
Harden: 42.4% from the field, average shot distance of 15.5 feet
Maxey: 45.2% from the field, average shot distance of 13.8 feet

Negrodamus · Post #1965 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:32 pm

Tobias - 48% FG, 26% 3FG vs Celtics

I think taking opponent into consideration is more important here for our team. Still better than most, but he was also asked to be an energy guy and assist converter.

Speaking of assist converter:

Terance Mann was assisted on 68% of his shots. He also averaged 10 ppg. He's hardly asked to do as much as Tobias much less Maxey, Harden, and Embiid.

Iverson Armband · Post #1966 » by **Iverson Armband** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:32 pm

76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Id rather have Terq Smith than Jaden Ivey

Based off a Rico Hines run?

76ciology · Post #1967 » by **76ciology** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:57 pm

Iverson Armband wrote:
76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Id rather have Terq Smith than Jaden Ivey

Based off a Rico Hines run?

Play styles. Im heavy on guards/wings who are natural scorers and have good foundations as a shooter over guards/wings who have questions as a shooter and are more of an all around type guard.

I also find Ivey to have a really weak left hand

76ciology · Post #1968 » by **76ciology** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:06 pm

76ciology wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:

Watch on YouTube

A great Iverson breakdown from Thinking Basketball. Watching the spacing that AI was dealing with during his Sixers years is a crime against the sport. Watch Eric Snow at 5:20 just be completely lost on offense lmao

Ooohh.. i’d love to check this one out. I like thinking basketball podcast. But im gonna sleep for now lol

Thanks for sharing the link and ive just finished watching it, brings back all those AI memories for me.

Overall, that Sixers squad was perfectly built for AI. And all our championship hope is built around AI. And as good as AI is, he’s just not THAT good to beat Shaq and Kobe on a 7 game series.

Post #1969 » by **Stanford** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:25 pm

You don't think Iverson would have been better with a single competent offensive player around him?

Iverson Armband · Post #1970 » by **Iverson Armband** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:12 pm

Stanford wrote:You don't think Iverson would have been better with a single competent offensive player around him?

For sure, and I obviously love the guy, but he can’t have it both ways. AI absolutely loved being a gunner and taking all the shots, especially pre-2001. I don’t think he was all that amenable to ever having a legit offensively capable running mate. He thought he could do everything himself which was both a gift and a curse. I’ll never b*tch about it though because we’ve had a couple stars here after him that frankly could use a little more AI in them.

76ciology · Post #1971 » by **76ciology** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:26 pm

Stanford wrote:You don't think Iverson would have been better with a single competent offensive player around him?

I think he’s not that good of a spot up shooter that you can just leave him, which happened when he played with the Nuggets and was shown on the video.

I find AI to be more like Westbrook OKC. He needs to have the ball in his hands. Then you need a superior defensive team that can make it up for his not efficient scoring.

Jailblazers7 · Post #1972 » by **Jailblazers7** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:27 pm

I think about Iverson a lot because I think he was a singular & unique person/player that could only exist at the specific time that he played. He played in a way that would be coached out of you these days for a player his size. That’s a good thing for modern players but AI was a unique expression of the time period. I honestly view his style as a work of art that can’t be judged by wins/losses.

76ciology · Post #1973 » by **76ciology** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:38 pm

Iverson also showed how you need to play your best basketball in the playoffs. He averaged 30-33ppg on around 6 to 7 offensive box plus minus in the playoffs from 2000-2005. He was a much better 30-33ppg offensive player in the playoffs than in reg season.

Post #1974 » by **Stanford** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:42 pm

I could think about this for a million years and not once arrive at "Eric Snow, Aaron McKie, and Tyrone Hill are the perfect players to pair with Allen Iverson."

76ciology · Post #1975 » by **76ciology** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:05 pm

This might be different tomorrow..

But today, I think the best way for maximize Biid is for him to operate to the middle, collapse the defense and kick it to open shooter or cutter in the paint. I saw Giddey do it against Finland and it was the same thing Jokic does repeatedly. While I saw Towns and Markanen play against inferior defenders and its just hard to play like kevin durant when you are not kevin durant. And Kevin Durant can’t win a championship as alpha because doing high volume ISO scoring or two man pull up is predictable and thats why he wasnt able to win with OKC but only on GSW and their collective read & react system.

76ciology · Post #1976 » by **76ciology** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:10 pm

Stanford wrote:I could think about this for a million years and not once arrive at "Eric Snow, Aaron McKie, and Tyrone Hill are the perfect players to pair with Allen Iverson."

I think those guys allows him to rest on defense and make him fresher on offense to run around those screens. As long as those guys do their job and locked up the opposing team, we have a chance. The problem with the Lakers match-up was Mutombo wasn’t effective against PEAK Shaq while Eric Snow wasn’t effective against Kobe. It was a really bad match-up for us. I dont think we can win with AI on any kind of team against the Lakers

Negrodamus · Post #1977 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:15 pm

I do find it kinda funny that any "star" they put around Iverson was there for like a season, maybe even half a season, and they almost always got injured or were already on their way out of the league.

Glenn Robinson was for a season and it was his second to last stop before retirement

Mutombo was 1.5 seasons at 35 years old, lol.

Van Horn, one season

Chris Webber was 1.2 seasons and he was the whole shebang, injured and old af, declining game.

Going back through it, it's kinda funny the most talented teams with Iverson were the ones that didn't make the playoffs. 05-06 had Lou Williams, shell of Chris Webber, John Salmons (who was good for stretches of his career), Andre Iguodala, Kyle Korver, Samuel Dalembert, Willie Green. Mo Cheeks as coach probably didn't help. I also think Iverson's brain at that point was to shoot the ball 25 times a game and didn't want to relent on scoring.

Walking through the graveyard of Sixers season's past, it's just really clear that we have always been poorly managed.

Tony Franciosa · Post #1978 » by **Tony Franciosa** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:19 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I do find it kinda funny that any "star" they put around Iverson was there for like a season, maybe even half a season, and they almost always got injured or were already on their way out of the league.

Glenn Robinson was for a season and it was his second to last stop before retirement

Mutombo was 1.5 seasons at 35 years old, lol.

Van Horn, one season

Chris Webber was 1.2 seasons and he was the whole shebang, injured and old af, declining game.

Going back through it, it's kinda funny the most talented teams with Iverson were the ones that didn't make the playoffs. 05-06 had Lou Williams, shell of Chris Webber, John Salmons (who was good for stretches of his career), Andre Iguodala, Kyle Korver, Samuel Dalembert, Willie Green. Mo Cheeks as coach probably didn't help. I also think Iverson's brain at that point was to shoot the ball 25 times a game and didn't want to relent on scoring.

Walking through the graveyard of Sixers season's past, it's just really clear that we have always been poorly managed.

Larry Brown's affinity for Derrick Coleman was one of the most puzzling obsessions I've seen in this league

Post #1979 » by **Stanford** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:51 pm

76ciology wrote:I think those guys allows him to rest on defense and make him fresher on offense to run around those screens.

So get guys who are good at offense and defense.

Your implication here is that the Iverson Sixers would have been worse if Eric Snow and Tyrone Hill weren't negative offensive players.

Skates · Post #1980 » by **Skates** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:19 pm

Stanford wrote:I could think about this for a million years and not once arrive at "Eric Snow, Aaron McKie, and Tyrone Hill are the perfect players to pair with Allen Iverson."

And yet they were perfect role players to fit with him.