FIBA World Cup 2023 (FIRST thread)

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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1701 » by Pachinko_ » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:42 pm

OkcSinceSGA wrote:I said Canada’s backcourt was stupid dangerous on both ends. If only Murray played and Wiggins joined they would have a shot at gold IMO. SGA would be the best player on team USA, and Murray would be up there too. If Anthony Edwards is your best player arguably, you’re very beatable

Might be better to let SGA take over like he does in OKC rather than try to learn on the fly how to play with another high usage guy in Murray. I wouldn't worry too much about Wiggins, better play someone who actually wants it.
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1702 » by The Number 9 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:43 pm

durden_tyler wrote:France not out of it though. Only "contender" (which aren't) is Latvia so they' easily go to the next round. Means an earlier date vs. USA though, but that's not an entirely bad thing, maybe this embarrassing loss motivates them more.


Yes, my point was more about their ambition for this tournament.
If we were to end up at 0-2 by sunday, the problems will be far bigger than just an elimination.
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1703 » by dockingsched » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:05 pm

Hate to see it lol

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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1704 » by durden_tyler » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:10 pm

dockingsched wrote:Hate to see it lol

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True but again, not over for France. If they still beat USA, winning cures all. Not optimal but they are not out of it despite this big loss. (What Canada should do is lose the required to advance vs Latvia just to put France out of contention)
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1705 » by G R E Y » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:38 pm

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durden_tyler wrote:France not out of it though. Only "contender" (which aren't) is Latvia so they' easily go to the next round. Means an earlier date vs. USA though, but that's not an entirely bad thing, maybe this embarrassing loss motivates them more.


Yes, my point was more about their ambition for this tournament.
If we were to end up at 0-2 by sunday, the problems will be far bigger than just an elimination.

Just shows how quickly the international scene changes.

USA finished 7th at the last World Cup with a poor C or D level roster but they at least qualified for the Olympics where they won Gold with a stronger roster.

Spain is ranked first in international men's basketball.

France finished 3rd at the last WC and Silver at the Olympics, so if this is largely the same roster, they are experienced and can adjust, but they are also in a position to be caught if not careful.

Canada didn't qualify for the last Olympics with a roster whose most known name was Cory Joseph. Now with a better roster they just defeated a French team used to success.

Argentina is ranked 4th in the world, was runner up in the last WC final, but didn't qualify for the FIBA WC this time.

Of course best rosters vs. best rosters at all times is optimal, but unfortunately it's less often the case for the WC and is more so for the Olympics.

But a powerhouse at one point has reputation and pressure but not necessarily the best level of play. Momentum shifts quickly.
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1706 » by TheGeneral99 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:54 pm

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durden_tyler wrote:France not out of it though. Only "contender" (which aren't) is Latvia so they' easily go to the next round. Means an earlier date vs. USA though, but that's not an entirely bad thing, maybe this embarrassing loss motivates them more.


Yes, my point was more about their ambition for this tournament.
If we were to end up at 0-2 by sunday, the problems will be far bigger than just an elimination.

Just shows how quickly the international scene changes.

USA finished 7th at the last World Cup with a poor C or D level roster but they at least qualified for the Olympics where they won Gold with a stronger roster.

Spain is ranked first in international men's basketball.

France finished 3rd at the last WC and Silver at the Olympics, so if this is largely the same roster, they are experienced and can adjust, but they are also in a position to be caught if not careful.

Canada didn't qualify for the last Olympics with a roster whose most known name was Cory Joseph. Now with a better roster they just defeated a French team used to success.

Argentina is ranked 4th in the world, was runner up in the last WC final, but didn't qualify for the FIBA WC this time.

Of course best rosters vs. best rosters at all times is optimal, but unfortunately it's less often the case for the WC and is more so for the Olympics.

But a powerhouse at one point has reputation and pressure but not necessarily the best level of play. Momentum shifts quickly.


Over the last decade, Canada basketball talent pool has grown like crazy.

In 2010 there were only like 4 Canadians in the NBA and today it's nearly 25 players.

It's now the only other team other than the US that can fill a roster with mostly NBA caliber players.
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1707 » by G R E Y » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:58 pm

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The Number 9 wrote:
Yes, my point was more about their ambition for this tournament.
If we were to end up at 0-2 by sunday, the problems will be far bigger than just an elimination.

Just shows how quickly the international scene changes.

USA finished 7th at the last World Cup with a poor C or D level roster but they at least qualified for the Olympics where they won Gold with a stronger roster.

Spain is ranked first in international men's basketball.

France finished 3rd at the last WC and Silver at the Olympics, so if this is largely the same roster, they are experienced and can adjust, but they are also in a position to be caught if not careful.

Canada didn't qualify for the last Olympics with a roster whose most known name was Cory Joseph. Now with a better roster they just defeated a French team used to success.

Argentina is ranked 4th in the world, was runner up in the last WC final, but didn't qualify for the FIBA WC this time.

Of course best rosters vs. best rosters at all times is optimal, but unfortunately it's less often the case for the WC and is more so for the Olympics.

But a powerhouse at one point has reputation and pressure but not necessarily the best level of play. Momentum shifts quickly.


Over the last decade, Canada basketball talent pool has grown like crazy.

In 2010 there were only like 4 Canadians in the NBA and today it's nearly 25 players.

It's now the only other team other than the US that can fill a roster with mostly NBA caliber players.

And they're still missing some key contributors.

That's the dual point I've been stressing - both the growing international talent pool (which helps if 1A talent isn't available at a given time for whatever reason) and the availability of said talent. Both are big.
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Post#1708 » by ItsDanger » Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:28 pm

Currently, Canada has the best chance to be a rival to the US in the Olympics in terms of talent depth. Everyone knows US has the deepest pool to choose a roster from. The Worlds team is like their C level team and its still very good. Doesn't mean these other teams can't beat them in a 1 game situation but its extremely difficult.
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1709 » by links135 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:36 pm

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G R E Y wrote:Just shows how quickly the international scene changes.

USA finished 7th at the last World Cup with a poor C or D level roster but they at least qualified for the Olympics where they won Gold with a stronger roster.

Spain is ranked first in international men's basketball.

France finished 3rd at the last WC and Silver at the Olympics, so if this is largely the same roster, they are experienced and can adjust, but they are also in a position to be caught if not careful.

Canada didn't qualify for the last Olympics with a roster whose most known name was Cory Joseph. Now with a better roster they just defeated a French team used to success.

Argentina is ranked 4th in the world, was runner up in the last WC final, but didn't qualify for the FIBA WC this time.

Of course best rosters vs. best rosters at all times is optimal, but unfortunately it's less often the case for the WC and is more so for the Olympics.

But a powerhouse at one point has reputation and pressure but not necessarily the best level of play. Momentum shifts quickly.


Over the last decade, Canada basketball talent pool has grown like crazy.

In 2010 there were only like 4 Canadians in the NBA and today it's nearly 25 players.

It's now the only other team other than the US that can fill a roster with mostly NBA caliber players.

And they're still missing some key contributors.

That's the dual point I've been stressing - both the growing international talent pool (which helps if 1A talent isn't available at a given time for whatever reason) and the availability of said talent. Both are big.


Yep, Corey Joseph had to withdraw due to injury, Murray needed to recover after winning a chip, and Wiggins couldn't commit for 3 summers.

Plus you have the younger guys who were drafted after that commitment window like Sharpe, Manthurin and Nembhard. Although the only thing I it's super guard/wing heavy, in 4 years there won't be much of big depth, Powell and Olynyk will be 36, then there's Brandon Clarke, Trey Lyles and Khem Birch?
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (Tip off Friday, August 25) 

Post#1710 » by Dubious Handles » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:10 pm

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Swuul wrote:With those odds, I am going to bet for Philippines, Finland and Lithuania. The other I feel are pretty spot on, so could go either way.

I feel like Lithuania will blow Egypt with way more than 20 points, possibly something like 90-50 final score.

Australia is the favourite vs Finland, but I don't think Finland will lose by 10 or more.

To bet on Philippines is the safest one here. I feel like the match is going to be very even and could go either way. I just don't see it is possible Philippines would lose by 11 or more.

Well, I got two out of those three, so at least I can now buy a six-pack with my winnings :)


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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1711 » by GSWFan1994 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:11 pm

Will Wiggins ever play for Canada?

He never suited up for the national team, right?
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Post#1712 » by vi3t » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:24 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Will Wiggins ever play for Canada?

He never suited up for the national team, right?

He has on two occasions, 2015 qualifying tournament for Rio, and in 2021 qualifying tournament for Tokyo
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Post#1713 » by aminiaturebuddha » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:36 pm

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GSWFan1994 wrote:Will Wiggins ever play for Canada?

He never suited up for the national team, right?

He has on two occasions, 2015 qualifying tournament for Rio, and in 2021 qualifying tournament for Tokyo


He also played twice as a junior, in 2010 and 2012.

For some reason he has this reputation as a guy who hasn't suited up for Canada, probably given that he's been one of Canada's most high profile guys, but that's an unfair criticism of him, IMO. He's played 20 official games with a Canada jersey on, which is more than a bunch of other NBA players. And he would have played even more if either 2015 or 2021 had gone better for the team (and it's hard to blame him for those losses, especially in 2021).

But yeah, it would have been great for him to have made the commitment to this 3-year window to play in this tournament and maybe the Olympics next summer.
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1714 » by Pachinko_ » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:42 pm

I kinda hate the Olympics, it's a small tournament made to fit around other events, bunch of token teams instead of actual good teams that never make it. To me this is the world cup, period.
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1715 » by Yallbecrazy » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:47 pm

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OkcSinceSGA wrote:I said Canada’s backcourt was stupid dangerous on both ends. If only Murray played and Wiggins joined they would have a shot at gold IMO. SGA would be the best player on team USA, and Murray would be up there too. If Anthony Edwards is your best player arguably, you’re very beatable

Might be better to let SGA take over like he does in OKC rather than try to learn on the fly how to play with another high usage guy in Murray. I wouldn't worry too much about Wiggins, better play someone who actually wants it.


Canada needs shooting, even if Murray just stood in the corner that would help their offense immensely.
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Post#1716 » by Wargreymon » Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:16 pm

France looks old and slow. They need to reset and start a youth movement. Gobert is overrated asf…feel bad for TWolves for all the assets they gave up for him
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1717 » by ___Rand___ » Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:26 pm

Gotta say I LOVE the FIBA replay review process. you hear the refs, exactly what they're looking at, and why they're making that call.
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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1718 » by Calinks » Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:17 pm

___Rand___ wrote:Gotta say I LOVE the FIBA replay review process. you hear the refs, exactly what they're looking at, and why they're making that call.

FIBA overall makes the NBA look bad IMO. Commercials are zilch. Pace is smooth. There are some Bs calls but overall feels more fair. I look at a guy like KAT, he has a horrible relationship with refs and deals with them terribly. He commits a lot of fouls. That said, he does get fouled a ton. In the NBA they hold it against him and just let him get mauled. Here they still call him out when he fouls but they also reward him when he gets fouled. They don't pissy, they do their job. (again sometimes they make bad calls but that's gonna happen).

The flow of the game is a lot better. Bigs can play big unlike the NBA which seems like its trying to keep bigs from playing big. The ball moves, team balls seems way more important, the timeout situation seems a lot better too. All in all I am really liking it.
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Post#1719 » by mediocrityrules » Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:14 am

This would be the last thing that NBA teams would want to hear, already nervous that their players are playing in the off-season with a chance of injury to interrupt the NBA season. FIBA better get this sorted out as a priority.

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Re: OT : FIBA World Cup 2023 (CANADA storms in, stomps France, SGA dominates) 

Post#1720 » by Jeremy Lin 7 » Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:53 am

GSWFan1994 wrote:Will Wiggins ever play for Canada?

He never suited up for the national team, right?

Wiggins doesn't care about Canadian basketball or Canada in general. Man just wants to clock in and clock out. Nothing wrong with that, just a bit disappointing when you can make history for your country

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