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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#541 » by dakomish23 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:08 pm

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Finally someone with a working brain who also acknowledges this loser for exactly the type of person he is. How he is back here after himself previously being banned for the nonsense he came back to spew in these threads over and over again. God help if he actually influences someone in here to believe the brainwashed garbage he is perpetuating. No one is allowed to have any other opinion other then his or he starts trying to silence you and name calling without actually giving you a shred of evidence to support his lies.

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That's all I wanted to say. I will go back to minding my own business now. Carry on.


Working brain? You think aiding Ukraine is bankrupting our country??? :lol:

Conservatives really have no grasp on our govt


It's certainly not helping:

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Are you under the impression that if we don't support the war they're suddenly going to try to fix the homelessness issue :lol:

Dude. The same politician who said don't fund Ukraine two days ago LITERALLY promoted a go fundraiser for a guy who murdered a homeless person.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#542 » by DOT » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:11 pm

It's just virtue signaling

They don't actually care about these issues, they just pretend they do for clout

Cause once measures to actually fix those issues come up, they're the first ones to rail against them and vote for people who will vote against them

No use pretending these people can be reasoned with, they're arguing in bad faith and they know it. That's what it is to be a Republican.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#543 » by Zenzibar » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:29 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Working brain? You think aiding Ukraine is bankrupting our country??? :lol:

Conservatives really have no grasp on our govt


It's certainly not helping:

San Diego

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Miami

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New York

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Are you under the impression that if we don't support the war they're suddenly going to try to fix the homelessness issue :lol:

Dude. The same politician who said don't fund Ukraine two days ago LITERALLY promoted a go fundraiser for a guy who murdered a homeless person.


Dude, all I'm saying is that the U.S. economy is in a downward cycle and for anyone to say $100 - $200 billion wouldn't make a difference here would be 1. understandably Ukrainian, a believer of the War on Terror, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya or Afghanistan or not seeing how we're hurting at home.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#544 » by dakomish23 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:08 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
It's certainly not helping:

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Are you under the impression that if we don't support the war they're suddenly going to try to fix the homelessness issue :lol:

Dude. The same politician who said don't fund Ukraine two days ago LITERALLY promoted a go fundraiser for a guy who murdered a homeless person.


Dude, all I'm saying is that the U.S. economy is in a downward cycle and for anyone to say $100 - $200 billion wouldn't make a difference here would be 1. understandably Ukrainian, a believer of the War on Terror, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya or Afghanistan or not seeing how we're hurting at home.


Do you have any idea how any of our govt finances work??

You think they’re suddenly going to spend money on citizens just b/c they don’t support the war???

Go ahead. Show any evidence backing this theory up.

GOP Russia loyalists have flooded the conservative media with this nonsense about spending here when they have voted down almost every single policy to help Americans. You want examples? Say the word I have hundred of bills to choose from
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#545 » by dakomish23 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:09 pm

DOT wrote:It's just virtue signaling

They don't actually care about these issues, they just pretend they do for clout

Cause once measures to actually fix those issues come up, they're the first ones to rail against them and vote for people who will vote against them

No use pretending these people can be reasoned with, they're arguing in bad faith and they know it. That's what it is to be a Republican.


The spending here thing is really hilarious. As if their politicians haven’t attempted to stop almost every single bill that benefits Americans
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#546 » by Zenzibar » Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:38 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Are you under the impression that if we don't support the war they're suddenly going to try to fix the homelessness issue :lol:

Dude. The same politician who said don't fund Ukraine two days ago LITERALLY promoted a go fundraiser for a guy who murdered a homeless person.


Dude, all I'm saying is that the U.S. economy is in a downward cycle and for anyone to say $100 - $200 billion wouldn't make a difference here would be 1. understandably Ukrainian, a believer of the War on Terror, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya or Afghanistan or not seeing how we're hurting at home.


Do you have any idea how any of our govt finances work??

You think they’re suddenly going to spend money on citizens just b/c they don’t support the war???

Go ahead. Show any evidence backing this theory up.

GOP Russia loyalists have flooded the conservative media with this nonsense about spending here when they have voted down almost every single policy to help Americans. You want examples? Say the word I have hundred of bills to choose from


OMG, STOP IT STOP IT with this GOP sht! So fkn infantile take!!!! How old are you my guy?

DO you realize Old Man Biden offered Native Hawaiians a one-time assistance of $700 per household after losing EVERYTHING!!
"GOP..." "Dems/Reps" all the fkn same dumbshyt..

So fkn tired of this bullshyt take. Like a couple of billion that went to Ukraine wouldn't help Maui families and small businesses there.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#547 » by dakomish23 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:12 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
Dude, all I'm saying is that the U.S. economy is in a downward cycle and for anyone to say $100 - $200 billion wouldn't make a difference here would be 1. understandably Ukrainian, a believer of the War on Terror, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya or Afghanistan or not seeing how we're hurting at home.


Do you have any idea how any of our govt finances work??

You think they’re suddenly going to spend money on citizens just b/c they don’t support the war???

Go ahead. Show any evidence backing this theory up.

GOP Russia loyalists have flooded the conservative media with this nonsense about spending here when they have voted down almost every single policy to help Americans. You want examples? Say the word I have hundred of bills to choose from


OMG, STOP IT STOP IT with this GOP sht! So fkn infantile take!!!! How old are you my guy?

DO you realize Old Man Biden offered Native Hawaiians a one-time assistance of $700 per household after losing EVERYTHING!!
"GOP..." "Dems/Reps" all the fkn same dumbshyt..

So fkn tired of this bullshyt take. Like a couple of billion that went to Ukraine wouldn't help Maui families and small businesses there.


What’s infantile is pretending that repeating conservative propaganda isn’t being a conservative.

Do you think Biden is the one who controls the purse strings for aid foreign and domestic? Here’s a hint: conservatives always fight giving aid for natural disasters when they’re in a blue state. And yet they weren’t the president when they did it.

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Also the $700 is ON TOP of everything else as a one time measure from FEMA.

https://www.federaltimes.com/federal-oversight/2023/08/14/federal-officials-unveil-aid-for-water-shelter-as-maui-residents-reel/

They are literally asking CONGRESS WHO CONTROLS THE WALLET for an extra $12 billion for disaster aid relief.

How many times are you gonna move the goal posts?

Why are you listening to the anti Ukraine funders who want to murder homeless ppl if helping the homeless is your concern?

Why are you listening to the anti Ukraine funders who vote no on almost every policy that helps Americans if you want to use that money on policy that helps Americans?

It’s just a way to be a Russia loyalist. That’s it. They lie about funding things here when they constantly are against everything here
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#548 » by Pointgod » Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:07 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Do you have any idea how any of our govt finances work??

You think they’re suddenly going to spend money on citizens just b/c they don’t support the war???

Go ahead. Show any evidence backing this theory up.

GOP Russia loyalists have flooded the conservative media with this nonsense about spending here when they have voted down almost every single policy to help Americans. You want examples? Say the word I have hundred of bills to choose from


OMG, STOP IT STOP IT with this GOP sht! So fkn infantile take!!!! How old are you my guy?

DO you realize Old Man Biden offered Native Hawaiians a one-time assistance of $700 per household after losing EVERYTHING!!
"GOP..." "Dems/Reps" all the fkn same dumbshyt..

So fkn tired of this bullshyt take. Like a couple of billion that went to Ukraine wouldn't help Maui families and small businesses there.


What’s infantile is pretending that repeating conservative propaganda isn’t being a conservative.

Do you think Biden is the one who controls the purse strings for aid foreign and domestic? Here’s a hint: conservatives always fight giving aid for natural disasters when they’re in a blue state. And yet they weren’t the president when they did it.

Read on Twitter


Also the $700 is ON TOP of everything else as a one time measure from FEMA.

https://www.federaltimes.com/federal-oversight/2023/08/14/federal-officials-unveil-aid-for-water-shelter-as-maui-residents-reel/

They are literally asking CONGRESS WHO CONTROLS THE WALLET for an extra $12 billion for disaster aid relief.

How many times are you gonna move the goal posts?

Why are you listening to the anti Ukraine funders who want to murder homeless ppl if helping the homeless is your concern?

Why are you listening to the anti Ukraine funders who vote no on almost every policy that helps Americans if you want to use that money on policy that helps Americans?

It’s just a way to be a Russia loyalist. That’s it. They lie about funding things here when they constantly are against everything here


Yeah people really give away the game when they single out Ukraine aid as the place where the US should stop spending. They’re not even trying to hide the list for Putin anymore. Ukraine isn’t even in the top 5 of countries that receive foreign aide. No mention of cutting aide to Jordan, Israel or even starting with the US military budget.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#549 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:41 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
It's certainly not helping:

San Diego

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Miami

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New York

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Are you under the impression that if we don't support the war they're suddenly going to try to fix the homelessness issue :lol:

Dude. The same politician who said don't fund Ukraine two days ago LITERALLY promoted a go fundraiser for a guy who murdered a homeless person.


Dude, all I'm saying is that the U.S. economy is in a downward cycle and for anyone to say $100 - $200 billion wouldn't make a difference here would be 1. understandably Ukrainian, a believer of the War on Terror, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya or Afghanistan or not seeing how we're hurting at home.


The homeless problem is DECADES old. Those wars you're mentioning are what helped prop up the dollar and our economy. The war in the Ukraine received 3% of our military budget. That war needs to be won by the Ukraine at all costs.

Utopia will never exist. Pretending that aid to Ukraine is taking anything away from Maui or the homeless is a fools game. They have nothing to do with one another at all. That's not how the money works.

I agree that things need to be changed but, most people don't know how things work in the first place.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#550 » by 8516knicks » Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:57 pm

Polk377 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
It's not a conservative opinion. It is a common sense opinion. Some of you never left 2020.

Aiding a morally bankrupt country with billions of dollars of relief for absolutely no benefit to the country is completely asinine. Our country is a disaster right now the majority of its citizens are losing their quality of life. There is an entire generation right now who can't afford homes, can't afford to start families, to live a happy life without being a slave to work because there is not enough money to match the cost of living.


Our Ukraine aid is 3% of our military budget. Do you know what the % of our military budget would be in a world war as Russia's march to expansion crosses Europe? Not counting the human cost which is immeasurable.

The morally bankrupt country is the one who attacked Ukraine and is pushing propaganda that justifies it.

Yes we have a crap ton of issues here. But with or without Ukraine the corporate hacks aren't going to spend the $ on us. They are choosing to not spend our own tax money on us. Don't believe me? The same ppl in Congress complaining about the spending on Ukraine are literally approving another round of tax cuts for the wealthy to continue trickledown nevernomics.

https://itep.org/gop-tax-bills-expand-corporate-tax-breaks/

Oh, and to "pay for it" they're going to repeal the clean energy tax credits that have fueled multiple projects, most in red states btw, that employ thousands of well paying jobs.

If someone came out against the funding but then actually wanted to use the money to benefit americans, then they'd have a firm foundation to stand upon. But that person doesn't exist in Congress.


You are not going to find me sticking up for or defending anyone in congress. Those career con-men and women do not have our best interests at heart and never have. This country is at its weakest right now in terms of foreign diplomacy. We don't have a strong leader and we don't have a united front. We are being embarrassed on the world stage where previous "allies" are jumping ship.


" We are being embarrassed on the world stage where previous "allies" are jumping ship." - this is in direct contrast with the truth. But much in keeping with Trumpism.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#551 » by 8516knicks » Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:59 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Are you under the impression that if we don't support the war they're suddenly going to try to fix the homelessness issue :lol:

Dude. The same politician who said don't fund Ukraine two days ago LITERALLY promoted a go fundraiser for a guy who murdered a homeless person.


Dude, all I'm saying is that the U.S. economy is in a downward cycle and for anyone to say $100 - $200 billion wouldn't make a difference here would be 1. understandably Ukrainian, a believer of the War on Terror, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya or Afghanistan or not seeing how we're hurting at home.


The homeless problem is DECADES old. Those wars you're mentioning are what helped prop up the dollar and our economy. The war in the Ukraine received 3% of our military budget. That war needs to be won by the Ukraine at all costs.

Utopia will never exist. Pretending that aid to Ukraine is taking anything away from Maui or the homeless is a fools game. They have nothing to do with one another at all. That's not how the money works.

I agree that things need to be changed but, most people don't know how things work in the first place.


You can thank Regan for the homeless problem.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#552 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:06 am

8516knicks wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
Dude, all I'm saying is that the U.S. economy is in a downward cycle and for anyone to say $100 - $200 billion wouldn't make a difference here would be 1. understandably Ukrainian, a believer of the War on Terror, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya or Afghanistan or not seeing how we're hurting at home.


The homeless problem is DECADES old. Those wars you're mentioning are what helped prop up the dollar and our economy. The war in the Ukraine received 3% of our military budget. That war needs to be won by the Ukraine at all costs.

Utopia will never exist. Pretending that aid to Ukraine is taking anything away from Maui or the homeless is a fools game. They have nothing to do with one another at all. That's not how the money works.

I agree that things need to be changed but, most people don't know how things work in the first place.


You can thank Regan for the homeless problem.


I was in Manhattan when Reagan cut funding for mental patients and in a week the streets were flooded with homeless people out of their minds with despair after being kept alive and looked after in a mental institution. It was not about reform. It was slash and burn and thousands of people ended up on the streets overnight. It was a horrible moment in time, a true pivot point in the country AFAIK.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#553 » by Polk377 » Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:13 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
The homeless problem is DECADES old. Those wars you're mentioning are what helped prop up the dollar and our economy. The war in the Ukraine received 3% of our military budget. That war needs to be won by the Ukraine at all costs.

Utopia will never exist. Pretending that aid to Ukraine is taking anything away from Maui or the homeless is a fools game. They have nothing to do with one another at all. That's not how the money works.

I agree that things need to be changed but, most people don't know how things work in the first place.


You can thank Regan for the homeless problem.


I was in Manhattan when Reagan cut funding for mental patients and in a week the streets were flooded with homeless people out of their minds with despair after being kept alive and looked after in a mental institution. It was not about reform. It was slash and burn and thousands of people ended up on the streets overnight. It was a horrible moment in time, a true pivot point in the country AFAIK.

One of the mental patients......
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#554 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:15 am

Polk377 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
You can thank Regan for the homeless problem.


I was in Manhattan when Reagan cut funding for mental patients and in a week the streets were flooded with homeless people out of their minds with despair after being kept alive and looked after in a mental institution. It was not about reform. It was slash and burn and thousands of people ended up on the streets overnight. It was a horrible moment in time, a true pivot point in the country AFAIK.

One of the mental patients......


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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#555 » by Polk377 » Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:19 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
I was in Manhattan when Reagan cut funding for mental patients and in a week the streets were flooded with homeless people out of their minds with despair after being kept alive and looked after in a mental institution. It was not about reform. It was slash and burn and thousands of people ended up on the streets overnight. It was a horrible moment in time, a true pivot point in the country AFAIK.

One of the mental patients......


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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#556 » by drekwins » Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:25 am

Polk377 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
It's not a conservative opinion. It is a common sense opinion. Some of you never left 2020.

Aiding a morally bankrupt country with billions of dollars of relief for absolutely no benefit to the country is completely asinine. Our country is a disaster right now the majority of its citizens are losing their quality of life. There is an entire generation right now who can't afford homes, can't afford to start families, to live a happy life without being a slave to work because there is not enough money to match the cost of living.


Our Ukraine aid is 3% of our military budget. Do you know what the % of our military budget would be in a world war as Russia's march to expansion crosses Europe? Not counting the human cost which is immeasurable.

The morally bankrupt country is the one who attacked Ukraine and is pushing propaganda that justifies it.

Yes we have a crap ton of issues here. But with or without Ukraine the corporate hacks aren't going to spend the $ on us. They are choosing to not spend our own tax money on us. Don't believe me? The same ppl in Congress complaining about the spending on Ukraine are literally approving another round of tax cuts for the wealthy to continue trickledown nevernomics.

https://itep.org/gop-tax-bills-expand-corporate-tax-breaks/

Oh, and to "pay for it" they're going to repeal the clean energy tax credits that have fueled multiple projects, most in red states btw, that employ thousands of well paying jobs.

If someone came out against the funding but then actually wanted to use the money to benefit americans, then they'd have a firm foundation to stand upon. But that person doesn't exist in Congress.


You are not going to find me sticking up for or defending anyone in congress. Those career con-men and women do not have our best interests at heart and never have. This country is at its weakest right now in terms of foreign diplomacy. We don't have a strong leader and we don't have a united front. We are being embarrassed on the world stage where previous "allies" are jumping ship.


What is going on in the world right now is an attempted power grab by several countries. Prior to the Ukraine conflict, our adversaries saw the United States as "war-avoidant", since the US just "recently" ended the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. They believed that the American public had zero stomach for additional conflict... thus, they saw this weakness as an opportunity. Why wouldn't they? The US completely dropped the ball in Syria. There was no consequence over Crimea. China really had no consequence for their man-made islands and territorial grabs within the South China Sea. Then, to top it all off, Trump completely backstabbed the Kurdish and allowed Russia/Turkey/Iran to move in to take land that US troops held, in order to withdraw from the regions near the Iraq/Syria/Turkey border.

America showed nothing but weakness. Then, after Biden took over, the withdrawal from Afghanistan was a disaster, and made it even worse.

As a result, Russia never expected the United States to have any appetite to support Ukraine. Just think, while in office, Trump wanted the US to leave NATO... look at how foolish that appears now. Thus, when NATO and America stepped up, they were probably shocked. Russia mis-calculated... and there has been a definite effect on China, who has been watching closely.

Make no mistake, many countries want to reshape the world and gain power. There is no question. The best response is an extremely defiant, strong and responsive United States, and NATO. They are constantly lingering and waiting to take advantage of a slip up. They must be challenged at every sign of aggression.

With that said, numerous counties are certainly concerned about the impact that 'Western sanctions could have on their countries if the West decides to target them. To an extent, there is a good reason for this...because the sanctions are effective. It's somewhat of a verification of how strong the unified sanctions are.. With that said, a majority of the global skilled labor, technology, innovation and financial systems are concentrated in the West. The economies are extremely advanced and strong. Just look at three key statistics: the unemployment rate of BRICs countries, their GDP per capita and average educational achievement/literacy. The West is so much more robust and will keep attracting/pumping out intellectual talent as a result. This is not going to change anytime soon. These other countries still have major hurdles to overcome.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#557 » by Polk377 » Sat Aug 26, 2023 6:43 am

drekwins wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Our Ukraine aid is 3% of our military budget. Do you know what the % of our military budget would be in a world war as Russia's march to expansion crosses Europe? Not counting the human cost which is immeasurable.

The morally bankrupt country is the one who attacked Ukraine and is pushing propaganda that justifies it.

Yes we have a crap ton of issues here. But with or without Ukraine the corporate hacks aren't going to spend the $ on us. They are choosing to not spend our own tax money on us. Don't believe me? The same ppl in Congress complaining about the spending on Ukraine are literally approving another round of tax cuts for the wealthy to continue trickledown nevernomics.

https://itep.org/gop-tax-bills-expand-corporate-tax-breaks/

Oh, and to "pay for it" they're going to repeal the clean energy tax credits that have fueled multiple projects, most in red states btw, that employ thousands of well paying jobs.

If someone came out against the funding but then actually wanted to use the money to benefit americans, then they'd have a firm foundation to stand upon. But that person doesn't exist in Congress.


You are not going to find me sticking up for or defending anyone in congress. Those career con-men and women do not have our best interests at heart and never have. This country is at its weakest right now in terms of foreign diplomacy. We don't have a strong leader and we don't have a united front. We are being embarrassed on the world stage where previous "allies" are jumping ship.


What is going on in the world right now is an attempted power grab by several countries. Prior to the Ukraine conflict, our adversaries saw the United States as "war-avoidant", since the US just "recently" ended the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. They believed that the American public had zero stomach for additional conflict... thus, they saw this weakness as an opportunity. Why wouldn't they? The US completely dropped the ball in Syria. There was no consequence over Crimea. China really had no consequence for their man-made islands and territorial grabs within the South China Sea. Then, to top it all off, Trump completely backstabbed the Kurdish and allowed Russia/Turkey/Iran to move in to take land that US troops held, in order to withdraw from the regions near the Iraq/Syria/Turkey border.

America showed nothing but weakness. Then, after Biden took over, the withdrawal from Afghanistan was a disaster, and made it even worse.

As a result, Russia never expected the United States to have any appetite to support Ukraine. Just think, while in office, Trump wanted the US to leave NATO... look at how foolish that appears now. Thus, when NATO and America stepped up, they were probably shocked. Russia mis-calculated... and there has been a definite effect on China, who has been watching closely.

Make no mistake, many countries want to reshape the world and gain power. There is no question. The best response is an extremely defiant, strong and responsive United States, and NATO. They are constantly lingering and waiting to take advantage of a slip up. They must be challenged at every sign of aggression.

With that said, numerous counties are certainly concerned about the impact that 'Western sanctions could have on their countries if the West decides to target them. To an extent, there is a good reason for this...because the sanctions are effective. It's somewhat of a verification of how strong the unified sanctions are.. With that said, a majority of the global skilled labor, technology, innovation and financial systems are concentrated in the West. The economies are extremely advanced and strong. Just look at three key statistics: the unemployment rate of BRICs countries, their GDP per capita and average educational achievement/literacy. The West is so much more robust and will keep attracting/pumping out intellectual talent as a result. This is not going to change anytime soon. These other countries still have major hurdles to overcome.


I liked the countries economic and foreign deplomacy position better with Trump at the helm. America took a stand against countries that weren't willing to help themselves and only looked to profit and rebuild their infrastructure with our money. We pay, we support but what are you giving back? Fair deals for American gain and growth that would be mutually beneficial. Not backdoor dealing shrouded in espionage and violence. We had a conflict with North Korea? Trump was brave enough to go right into the lion's den and look Kim Jong Un right in the eyes and tell him what he would do. Russia? Trump sat down with Putin like men and talked like leaders. The Middle East? Trump brokered a historic peace treaty between Israel and Sudan. We had a leader who wasn't all talk behind a podium thousands of miles away. He stepped up and as a business man does, treated the country as a successful business. Did it piss off countries who have been leaching off of us for years? Absolutely but it set a new precident until the puppets went back to business as usual.

We were energy independent, we were exporting, quality of life was improving in this country until the mass hysteria and fear mongering started to purposely sink us.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#558 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Aug 26, 2023 9:34 am

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You are not going to find me sticking up for or defending anyone in congress. Those career con-men and women do not have our best interests at heart and never have. This country is at its weakest right now in terms of foreign diplomacy. We don't have a strong leader and we don't have a united front. We are being embarrassed on the world stage where previous "allies" are jumping ship.


What is going on in the world right now is an attempted power grab by several countries. Prior to the Ukraine conflict, our adversaries saw the United States as "war-avoidant", since the US just "recently" ended the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. They believed that the American public had zero stomach for additional conflict... thus, they saw this weakness as an opportunity. Why wouldn't they? The US completely dropped the ball in Syria. There was no consequence over Crimea. China really had no consequence for their man-made islands and territorial grabs within the South China Sea. Then, to top it all off, Trump completely backstabbed the Kurdish and allowed Russia/Turkey/Iran to move in to take land that US troops held, in order to withdraw from the regions near the Iraq/Syria/Turkey border.

America showed nothing but weakness. Then, after Biden took over, the withdrawal from Afghanistan was a disaster, and made it even worse.

As a result, Russia never expected the United States to have any appetite to support Ukraine. Just think, while in office, Trump wanted the US to leave NATO... look at how foolish that appears now. Thus, when NATO and America stepped up, they were probably shocked. Russia mis-calculated... and there has been a definite effect on China, who has been watching closely.

Make no mistake, many countries want to reshape the world and gain power. There is no question. The best response is an extremely defiant, strong and responsive United States, and NATO. They are constantly lingering and waiting to take advantage of a slip up. They must be challenged at every sign of aggression.

With that said, numerous counties are certainly concerned about the impact that 'Western sanctions could have on their countries if the West decides to target them. To an extent, there is a good reason for this...because the sanctions are effective. It's somewhat of a verification of how strong the unified sanctions are.. With that said, a majority of the global skilled labor, technology, innovation and financial systems are concentrated in the West. The economies are extremely advanced and strong. Just look at three key statistics: the unemployment rate of BRICs countries, their GDP per capita and average educational achievement/literacy. The West is so much more robust and will keep attracting/pumping out intellectual talent as a result. This is not going to change anytime soon. These other countries still have major hurdles to overcome.


I liked the countries economic and foreign deplomacy position better with Trump at the helm. America took a stand against countries that weren't willing to help themselves and only looked to profit and rebuild their infrastructure with our money. We pay, we support but what are you giving back? Fair deals for American gain and growth that would be mutually beneficial. Not backdoor dealing shrouded in espionage and violence. We had a conflict with North Korea? Trump was brave enough to go right into the lion's den and look Kim Jong Un right in the eyes and tell him what he would do. Russia? Trump sat down with Putin like men and talked like leaders. The Middle East? Trump brokered a historic peace treaty between Israel and Sudan. We had a leader who wasn't all talk behind a podium thousands of miles away. He stepped up and as a business man does, treated the country as a successful business. Did it piss off countries who have been leaching off of us for years? Absolutely but it set a new precident until the puppets went back to business as usual.

We were energy independent, we were exporting, quality of life was improving in this country until the mass hysteria and fear mongering started to purposely sink us.


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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#559 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:23 am

We were NOT energy independent. That term is a bunch of hog wash. There is no such thing as energy independence. We NEED foreign oil to survive. Period. If people had a single clue about oil/gas and where it comes from and how it is priced, we could stop with the political football lies. I grew up in the business as my family owned a gas station for almost 50 years. The average person has no idea about any of it.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine War Part 2 

Post#560 » by DOT » Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:08 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:Those wars you're mentioning are what helped prop up the dollar and our economy.

I know this is off topic and we just breezed over it, but hold up

You think the War on Terror propped up our economy?

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