Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Payne Signed

[emunney]

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Cool to see. Hope the young guys earn some meaningful minutes but I see G-League stints in CL's future for sure. AJJ might get some late second-quarter minutes. MB is actually tougher to call. He could be in the actual rotation. Who's in front of him? The other MB and GA? Or is it KM and PC at the 3? What position is AJJ going to play? And AJ is a two? We know the other GA is a four/five and TA is there for moral support. BP can play the four/five and sometimes we play one of GAs at the three. Lots of PT to go around but that's ok. AG will have a lot of questions to answer. Initially.

[mediocrityrules]

Shameful sht to see the trade thread just barely starting its second hundred while Ramon Sessions generated a cool 700 page colossus barely a decade ago we used to be a country that makes things

We've become more efficient......progress, i think?

[tedbrogen]

Stolen from the General Board...

Giannis is fixable if they just don’t have him initiate at the top of the key against good defenses. Jrue, not so much, I’d flip him in that Dame deal no doubt.

[chonestown]

Shameful sht to see the trade thread just barely starting its second hundred while Ramon Sessions generated a cool 700 page colossus barely a decade ago we used to be a country that makes things

We've become more efficient......progress, i think?

7 > 1.imo

[giannis and 1]

New thread fodder, shoutout to Godaddycurse for a weeks old proposal. Rare deal with JRoy approval.

Milwaukee out: Holiday, Beauchamp, Allen, 2028 swap, 2030 swap, 2029 1st
Milwaukee in: Dame

GSW out: Paul, Kuminga, 2026 1st
GSW in: Holiday

Portland out: Dame
Portland in: Paul, Beauchamp, Kuminga, Allen, GSW 2026 1st, MIL 2029 1st, MIL 28/30 swaps

Why for Milwaukee: All in to pair Dame w/ Giannis
Why for GSW: Add an elite defensive guard for their small ball death lineup
Why for Portland: Rebuild w/ 2 prospects and some picks

I love this trade

Brook/Portis
Giannis
Crowder/Connaughton
Middleton/Beasley
Dame

[Plossum]

Stolen from the General Board...

Giannis is fixable if they just don’t have him initiate at the top of the key against good defenses. Jrue, not so much, I’d flip him in that Dame deal no doubt.

Giannis’s drop seems mostly attributable to him getting the yips from the line in the playoffs. That and the defences generally being much higher quality and intensity.

Jrue I just don’t know. He just forgets how to shoot.

[Ron Swanson]

So what are the avenues we can use to re-acquire some pick rights from New Orleans? Kinda wish Dame would have waited one more year to demand out, cuz this time next year we'll have probably our best asset package since the Jrue trade (3 tradeable firsts, two pick swaps, Bobby still locked up on a cheap extension, and Marjon + AJJ as cheap prospects assuming they look like NBA players). But if we really wanted to jump the gun and insert ourselves into the disgruntled star trade market ASAP, then I'm calling up the Pels and seeing what we can hash out to get the swap rights to our 2026 pick back. Do we think Bobby + Grayson for Nance Jr. and Kira Lewis gets it done? From there, you can then basically construct a Dame package of:

Jrue (3rd team to re-route assets to POR)
2026 pick swap
2028 unprotected 1st
2029 pick swap
2030 unprotected 1st
Portland's 2024 2nd rounder back to them
Marjon
Salary filler as needed (maybe folded into the Pels trade for convenience)

Not quite the AD asset haul, but that blows away anything that Miami can reasonably offer.

[emunney]

*Still* think Quickley, if we can do it without trading any rotation piece (including AJJ), is the move, because he is *still* not being valued appropriately. Quickley/AJJ is a theoretically coherent long-term backcourt and would be a great start on the next core, allowing for a more graceful transition.

[tedbrogen]

*Still* think Quickley, if we can do it without trading any rotation piece (including AJJ), is the move, because he is *still* not being valued appropriately. Quickley/AJJ is a theoretically coherent long-term backcourt and would be a great start on the next core, allowing for a more graceful transition.

Out of curiosity, what package do you think would legit land them Quickley?

[AussieBuck]

Bring Donte Exum home.

[slos]

I've been saying for months that Bucks should keep every asset available to make an all in move next offseason when they will be able to trade 3 FRPs. Looking at potential targets I thing I'm getting talked more and more into KAT. Some points about his case.

- Minny is stuck with Gobert and it's very likely their twin tower experinment with KAT won't work
- KAT will be entering a monster 4y/222,6mil extension which won't do any favors to Minny in terms of value
- Giannis is like a brother to KAT. Both share the same timeline.
- KAT is the best shooting big in the game, which makes him an awesome fit for Giannis
- No worries about leaving since he will be locked in a 4 year deal.
- Trading for KAT could lead into Giannis signing his extension.

In terms of value Bucks will have a pick heavy offer with 2024/2029/2031 FRPs + 2028/2030 swaps. It's a good thing Wolves own their 2028/2030 FRPs which makes the swaps meaningful to them.

In terms of money using current season's salaries Towns for Lopez (3rd team needed) is only 3,7 mil short. Bucks can even keep both Pat and Portis and make it work just with a selection of MarJon/Green/AJJ/Livingston.

I know paying close to 100 mil for two bigs isn't the brightest idea in modern NBA. But Giannis/Towns combo looks too good to pass. Jrue following Midds' example to opt out for a cheaper/longer deal would fascilitate this idea.

[skones]

I've been saying for months that Bucks should keep every asset available to make an all in move next offseason when they will be able to trade 3 FRPs. Looking at potential targets I thing I'm getting talked more and more into KAT. Some points about his case.

- Minny is stuck with Gobert and it's very likely their twin tower experinment with KAT won't work
- KAT will be entering a monster 4y/222,6mil extension which won't do any favors to Minny in terms of value
- Giannis is like a brother to KAT. Both share the same timeline.
- KAT is the best shooting big in the game, which makes him an awesome fit for Giannis
- No worries about leaving since he will be locked in a 4 year deal.
- Trading for KAT could lead into Giannis signing his extension.

In terms of value Bucks will have a pick heavy offer with 2024/2029/2031 FRPs + 2028/2030 swaps. It's a good thing Wolves own their 2028/2030 FRPs which makes the swaps meaningful to them.

In terms of money using current season's salaries Towns for Lopez (3rd team needed) is only 3,7 mil short. Bucks can even keep both Pat and Portis and make it work just with a selection of MarJon/Green/AJJ/Livingston.

I know paying close to 100 mil for two bigs isn't the brightest idea in modern NBA. But Giannis/Towns combo looks too good to pass. Jrue following Midds' example to opt out for a cheaper/longer deal would fascilitate this idea.

I'm VERY pro trading for Towns. Make him a 2, and the entire perception of him changes. See Gasol, Pau. Think you put a guy like him around a guy like Giannis, and he reaches a new level with an altered mentality.

[blazza18]

You'd need to be really confident being around Giannis would change Towns' mentality.

I would personally rather not build around two big guys. Think we need to find the next best great guard/wing available to put next to Giannis. That's how you win in the nba and I think that's the best step in unlocking Giannis more as he gets older.

[Profound23]

New thread fodder, shoutout to Godaddycurse for a weeks old proposal. Rare deal with JRoy approval.

Milwaukee out: Holiday, Beauchamp, Allen, 2028 swap, 2030 swap, 2029 1st
Milwaukee in: Dame

GSW out: Paul, Kuminga, 2026 1st
GSW in: Holiday

Portland out: Dame
Portland in: Paul, Beauchamp, Kuminga, Allen, GSW 2026 1st, MIL 2029 1st, MIL 28/30 swaps

Why for Milwaukee: All in to pair Dame w/ Giannis
Why for GSW: Add an elite defensive guard for their small ball death lineup
Why for Portland: Rebuild w/ 2 prospects and some picks

I love this trade

Brook/Portis
Giannis
Crowder/Connaughton
Middleton/Beasley
Dame

Probably facing GSW in the Finals with

Jrue
Steph
Klay
Wiggins
Green


Would be interesting

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

New thread fodder, shoutout to Godaddycurse for a weeks old proposal. Rare deal with JRoy approval.

Milwaukee out: Holiday, Beauchamp, Allen, 2028 swap, 2030 swap, 2029 1st
Milwaukee in: Dame

GSW out: Paul, Kuminga, 2026 1st
GSW in: Holiday

Portland out: Dame
Portland in: Paul, Beauchamp, Kuminga, Allen, GSW 2026 1st, MIL 2029 1st, MIL 28/30 swaps

Why for Milwaukee: All in to pair Dame w/ Giannis
Why for GSW: Add an elite defensive guard for their small ball death lineup
Why for Portland: Rebuild w/ 2 prospects and some picks

I love this trade

Brook/Portis
Giannis
Crowder/Connaughton
Middleton/Beasley
Dame

Can we add CP as a buyout back up PG?

I would do this but we would be incredibly both this year and next. Who knows if crowder is a starter and you can't pencil in Dame for 65+ games.

[Plossum]

Towns is soft. We could do better for the price it would cost to get him out of Minny.

[raferfenix]

The argument that this should be something of a gap year waiting until we have more picks to deal seems way more risky in the wake of the NYT interview.

Yes hanging onto the 2029 first so we can trade 3 firsts next offseason would be ideal.

But this might be the last year we have Giannis if we don’t win another ring (or at least come close). Maybe he’ll do other interviews to calm fears but at the moment it sure seems he’s not overly happy with our offseason.

[JayMKE]

The argument that this should be something of a gap year waiting until we have more picks to deal seems way more risky in the wake of the NYT interview.

Yes hanging onto the 2029 first so we can trade 3 firsts next offseason would be ideal.

But this might be the last year we have Giannis if we don’t win another ring (or at least come close). Maybe he’ll do other interviews to calm fears but at the moment it sure seems he’s not overly happy with our offseason.

The fact is the Middleton/Jrue/Lopez have expiration dates right around the time Giannis can walk and they're looking less like a championship core now despite the pay raise. The Bucks don't have any picks or young players they can realistically hope to develop into a championship piece that can replace our core that we're determined to let rot into the ground, we're at the end of the rope and Horst is going to need to show a lot more brains & testicular fortitude he hasn't shown before to avoid this inevitable cliff we're hurtling towards.

blowing our wad for a 3rd PG would be dumb isn't going to move the needle or get us closer to a championship, what matters is Giannis & our championship core playing to expectation in the playoffs. Lopez and Jrue aren't playoff guys, Middleton's health is a huge question mark, and we'll get our ass kicked in any series minus Giannis. Maybe the stars align this next season or two, maybe Griffin changes things but I doubt it, the Bucks are who we've thought they were.

[Daver]

The argument that this should be something of a gap year waiting until we have more picks to deal seems way more risky in the wake of the NYT interview.

Yes hanging onto the 2029 first so we can trade 3 firsts next offseason would be ideal.

But this might be the last year we have Giannis if we don’t win another ring (or at least come close). Maybe he’ll do other interviews to calm fears but at the moment it sure seems he’s not overly happy with our offseason.

The fact is the Middleton/Jrue/Lopez have expiration dates right around the time Giannis can walk and they're looking less like a championship core now despite the pay raise. The Bucks don't have any picks or young players they can realistically hope to develop into a championship piece that can replace our core that we're determined to let rot into the ground, we're at the end of the rope and Horst is going to need to show a lot more brains & testicular fortitude he hasn't shown before to avoid this inevitable cliff we're hurtling towards.

blowing our wad for a 3rd PG would be dumb isn't going to move the needle or get us closer to a championship, what matters is Giannis & our championship core playing to expectation in the playoffs. Lopez and Jrue aren't playoff guys, Middleton's health is a huge question mark, and we'll get our ass kicked in any series minus Giannis. Maybe the stars align this next season or two, maybe Griffin changes things but I doubt it, the Bucks are who we've thought they were.

Agree with you on jrue but disagree on lopez in game 2 ge tore mr allD bam apart down low with 30 points wasnt his fault after that game he was invincible it was from the one n only bud who forever reason decided again to not go back to something that worked.Brooks didnt have a bad series i thought against miami.
Dude could of scored at will against bam .....geez maybe thats why brook was a unhappy camper last year eithin the O

[Daver]

Buds system was is so different than stotts system will be.I wouldnt write off a new system as a big reason why this team will look alot better i feel this year.Think you will see a better half court O bettrr ball moment.Just think buds system became stale n played out which is 1 reason this team looked so bad in the half court.There were no changes n teams knew what we were going to do.