FIBA World Cup - Germany Wins

[Residual-Heat]

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[tooler]

Just the fact that Paolo turned from the elbow and chased down that play to make a block at the basket is great to see.

We'll have to see if it translates. Some of it might be extra energy from not having to carry an entire offense.

[Residual-Heat]

He's definitely benefitting from not being asked to carry the offense. We've seen Paolo make great blocks before. He's huge, athletic, nimble and has great timing on his blocks. Effort needs to be there everyday, but i am loving what im seeing on the defensive side of the court. If Paolo is ever going to carry the Magic deep into the play offs, defense and shooting need to be above average. The potential is there.

[ChosenSavior]

Plays winning basketball too. A complete miss by the front office.

Yes he does. I like Austin Reaves a lot but is it really a miss by the FO if said player was never entertaining leaving the Lakers to begin with? Only other team he was considering was the Spurs but I don't think the Spurs were offering him the max so he opted to stay with the team he wanted to stay at in the first place.

Just send him a contract and see what happens lol. I think most of us would've given him 18-20 mill/yr easily.

That I could agree with since the Lakers would've been forced to match at a higher price. Clearly the Magic are banking on internal improvement before spending a high amount of money for outside help.

As for the tournament, Paolo's defensive concentration looks a lot better. He is more engaged on that end. I also like that he is not forcing his offense when he is out there.

[thelead]

Yes he does. I like Austin Reaves a lot but is it really a miss by the FO if said player was never entertaining leaving the Lakers to begin with? Only other team he was considering was the Spurs but I don't think the Spurs were offering him the max so he opted to stay with the team he wanted to stay at in the first place.

Just send him a contract and see what happens lol. I think most of us would've given him 18-20 mill/yr easily.

That I could agree with since the Lakers would've been forced to match at a higher price. Clearly the Magic are banking on internal improvement before spending a high amount of money for outside help.

As for the tournament, Paolo's defensive concentration looks a lot better. He is more engaged on that end. I also like that he is not forcing his offense when he is out there.

The issue really is the draft (which admittedly, I liked). I would have thrown him a 4yr/80-90 deal and dealt with the roster issues this summer.

[RookieStar]

Our boy Goga seems to be a non factor...

[KillMonger]

He's definitely benefitting from not being asked to carry the offense. We've seen Paolo make great blocks before. He's huge, athletic, nimble and has great timing on his blocks. Effort needs to be there everyday, but i am loving what im seeing on the defensive side of the court. If Paolo is ever going to carry the Magic deep into the play offs, defense and shooting need to be above average. The potential is there.

it's not easy being the engine AND the defensive anchor....as long as paolo is a plus defender i'm good, i don't need him to be all nba defense if he's carrying the offense

[RookieStar]

He's definitely benefitting from not being asked to carry the offense. We've seen Paolo make great blocks before. He's huge, athletic, nimble and has great timing on his blocks. Effort needs to be there everyday, but i am loving what im seeing on the defensive side of the court. If Paolo is ever going to carry the Magic deep into the play offs, defense and shooting need to be above average. The potential is there.

it's not easy being the engine AND the defensive anchor....as long as paolo is a plus defender i'm good, i don't need him to be all nba defense if he's carrying the offense

Also, I hate being the pepe (lol jk ) aka debbie downer BUT we have to bear in mind that Paolo is playing against the bench of other teams. Those other teams doesn't have the same depth like the U.S and CAN teams where bench players are still NBA 8th-10th man in the rotation. I mean, some teams have a 6'11 C but the backup C is basically 6'7. So yeah, Paolo can and should bully those against him in D and O.

[msmoore66]

Pepe when an Orlando player has a good game vs when a non orlando player has a good game.

We all know Banchero is great talent, but you won't learn much about him and his NBA abilities by watching him on stacked team beating on competition that is below college level.

SGA knocking on that superstardom like

spot the differences?
and btw France lost to Latvia too.

Spot a difference:

Player having steller game against one of tournaments favorites in round one (when i wrote post about him) after having 30 ppg nba season

And

Player in beating on dumpster fire competition in 27 points blowout.


If i actually have agenda you claim i have, i would probably comment on Luka's epic game, make comments on Schroder etc, but nop, i just commented most obvious two facts that you view as agenda

And i didn't mention any other Magic nor non-Magic player

I won't ask you nicely again.

[Bensational]

World cup shows massive difference in competition and talent level among nba players vs non nba players.

Fact that Ronda Hollis Jefferson is basically unguardable and Patty Mills & Willy Hernagomez look like Magic & Hakeem is best example of it.

We all know Banchero is great talent, but you won't learn much about him and his NBA abilities by watching him on stacked team beating on competition that is below college level.

There are several teams at world cup who's path toward world cup was beating bunch of teams with 0-2 players taller than 6'6.
Also about Ivery's Coast League, i remember reading last year that one player said most players work "real jobs" as well as play as "professionals".

Rinse your mouth out.

That’s what Fournier said to him as well.

[msmoore66]

World cup shows massive difference in competition and talent level among nba players vs non nba players.

Fact that Ronda Hollis Jefferson is basically unguardable and Patty Mills & Willy Hernagomez look like Magic & Hakeem is best example of it.

We all know Banchero is great talent, but you won't learn much about him and his NBA abilities by watching him on stacked team beating on competition that is below college level.

There are several teams at world cup who's path toward world cup was beating bunch of teams with 0-2 players taller than 6'6.
Also about Ivery's Coast League, i remember reading last year that one player said most players work "real jobs" as well as play as "professionals".

Rinse your mouth out.

That’s what Fournier said to him as well.

Heh, well done.

[davey_wavy]

Is Paolo just playing good defense against inferior competition or is the USA coaching staff bringing out the best in him? Maybe this is Paolo's natural defensive ability but we just don't know that because "I'm your homie not your coach" Mosley doesn't hold him accountable like Kerr and Spo do.

[yoyojw17]

He's definitely benefitting from not being asked to carry the offense. We've seen Paolo make great blocks before. He's huge, athletic, nimble and has great timing on his blocks. Effort needs to be there everyday, but i am loving what im seeing on the defensive side of the court. If Paolo is ever going to carry the Magic deep into the play offs, defense and shooting need to be above average. The potential is there.

it's not easy being the engine AND the defensive anchor....as long as paolo is a plus defender i'm good, i don't need him to be all nba defense if he's carrying the offense

Hoping he doesn't have to shoulder as much of the offensive load as I still believe that the team has another level ...and he can put more effort on something he could really help the team with. Mind you I think he will still be out leading scorer... But I think we enough talent to fill in the gap

[Residual-Heat]

Is Paolo just playing good defense against inferior competition or is the USA coaching staff bringing out the best in him? Maybe this is Paolo's natural defensive ability but we just don't know that because "I'm your homie not your coach" Mosley doesn't hold him accountable like Kerr and Spo do.

He has had stretches where he played good defense. In his first few games he was bad defensively. At the time he was a fresh rookie and he was really carrying our offense scoring like 24 ppg, we were missing a lot of players and he was just getting used to playing more minutes and more game so it was understandable. His defense was improving game by game. Then he rolled his ankle and when he came back from that injury he was back to playing bad defense. A few games later he really picked it up defensively and was playing good defense. That was about the time the team went on a 8-1 run IIRC. Later on he had a stretch of games where he wasnt putting as much effort on defense (neither was most of the team, i remember a stretch when both Paolo and Franz were playing really lazy defense, and i remember Mosley voicing his frustration with the team).

So that's how i recall things went last season. As a whole he wasnt good defensively, but for me i saw stretches of good defense, and i thought overall he displayed his potential on that end. I think he has all the tools to be a good one on one defender and help defender.

Throughout the last 57 games of the season, when the Magic went 29-28 they were the 6th best defensive team in the NBA. Mosley did a solid job. He just had to deal with injuries and inexperience. I expect the Magic to be top 10 defensive team this season.

[JF5]

I love what I'm seeing from Paolo playing off the ball and working on his defense. He'll get his opportunities on ball when the season starts. But him doing the dirty work is so invaluable to his development. Fantastic stuff...

[pepe1991]

Pepe when an Orlando player has a good game vs when a non orlando player has a good game.






spot the differences?
and btw France lost to Latvia too.

Spot a difference:

Player having steller game against one of tournaments favorites in round one (when i wrote post about him) after having 30 ppg nba season

And

Player in beating on dumpster fire competition in 27 points blowout.


If i actually have agenda you claim i have, i would probably comment on Luka's epic game, make comments on Schroder etc, but nop, i just commented most obvious two facts that you view as agenda

And i didn't mention any other Magic nor non-Magic player

I won't ask you nicely again.

What's there to elaborate?
I won't go into former moderator personal jabs, if i do, he might catch another mental breakdown and opens his burner accounts again

New Zeland.

In order to pass first round of qualifications New Zeland had to beat:
India- India lost 33 out of past 38 basketball games from 2017 to present day. Lebanon, who, on world cup, is probably least talented basketball team, beat them by 30. Twice.

Philippines - we saw with Soto where they are at when it comes to basketball talent. Their only two nba players in history are:
Jordan Clarkson - from Tempa ( somebody from mother's side was from Philippines.
Blatche- as far as i know, he has nothing to do with Philippines, he just took on their citizenship

Not that is matter, during qualifications, nba players can't participate anyway.

Philippines lost every single qualification tournament. Round one, round two and extra round. Still made it because of automatic qualifications due status of co-host.


On whole New Zeland roster, there are only 2 players above 6'8 and 0 players above 6'9.
As far as talent goes, their starting 5,at lest one at world cup, isn't bad. Finn Delany was okey role player on average team in Serbian league. Yannick Wetzell is very solid player by German league standars. Rest of a team is made out of domestic league players. But there's kicker, literally all best New Zeland's league players are -non- New Zeland- citizens. Rather crazy amount of
US college players that went undrafted. Jeremy Kendle, Javion Blake, JaQuori McLaughlin etc, all are American players.
So now we established why execlly i wrote "worst than college" . All best New Zeland's league players are- former college players from USA.


So once you plant somebody as big ( 6'10) and heavy ( 250 pounds) who is taller, stronger, heavier than anybody, and as talented as Banchero is, against their bench you , 100% get apsolute beast Banchero is ( both talent vise and physicality vise) against "worst than college competition" .

Ofc it appears he can play center, because , standing at 6'10, he can play center ,especially under FIBA rules that don't require him ever leaving paint. People forget that Camrelo Anthony played lot of C for USA in past as well. Combination of skill, height, weight narrower space where it's hard to exploit potential lack of burst , fiba rules, make it favorable to do so . And go watch Gobert's pathetic performances to figure why stiff wood 7 footers without finess and basketball skills struggle so much under FIBA rules (opposite of Vuc, Lauri, KAT , even Willy Hernagomez and other finess & skill-based players).

At the end of a day, nba players are so much more talented than non-nba players. Second tear would be Euroleague elite teams. Everything below that has steep decline in quality & performances.

This is execlly why somebody who in nba was role player like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson ( left nba at age of 26, after averaging 2,5 ppg for Portland) is now tearing world cup.

I could simply qoute Brian Scalabrinie: "i'm way closer to Lebron than you are to me".

[msmoore66]

Spot a difference:

Player having steller game against one of tournaments favorites in round one (when i wrote post about him) after having 30 ppg nba season

And

Player in beating on dumpster fire competition in 27 points blowout.


If i actually have agenda you claim i have, i would probably comment on Luka's epic game, make comments on Schroder etc, but nop, i just commented most obvious two facts that you view as agenda

And i didn't mention any other Magic nor non-Magic player

I won't ask you nicely again.

What's there to elaborate?
I won't go into former moderator personal jabs, if i do, he might catch another mental breakdown and opens his burner accounts again

New Zeland.

In order to pass first round of qualifications New Zeland had to beat:
India- India lost 33 out of past 38 basketball games from 2017 to present day. Lebanon, who, on world cup, is probably least talented basketball team, beat them by 30. Twice.

Philippines - we saw with Soto where they are at when it comes to basketball talent. Their only two nba players in history are:
Jordan Clarkson - from Tempa ( somebody from mother's side was from Philippines.
Blatche- as far as i know, he has nothing to do with Philippines, he just took on their citizenship

Not that is matter, during qualifications, nba players can't participate anyway.

Philippines lost every single qualification tournament. Round one, round two and extra round. Still made it because of automatic qualifications due status of co-host.


On whole New Zeland roster, there are only 2 players above 6'8 and 0 players above 6'9.
As far as talent goes, their starting 5,at lest one at world cup, isn't bad. Finn Delany was okey role player on average team in Serbian league. Yannick Wetzell is very solid player by German league standars. Rest of a team is made out of domestic league players. But there's kicker, literally all best New Zeland's league players are -non- New Zeland- citizens. Rather crazy amount of
US college players that went undrafted. Jeremy Kendle, Javion Blake, JaQuori McLaughlin etc, all are American players.
So now we established why execlly i wrote "worst than college" . All best New Zeland's league players are- former college players from USA.


So once you plant somebody as big ( 6'10) and heavy ( 250 pounds) who is taller, stronger, heavier than anybody, and as talented as Banchero is, against their bench you , 100% get apsolute beast Banchero is ( both talent vise and physicality vise) against "worst than college competition" .

Ofc it appears he can play center, because , standing at 6'10, he can play center ,especially under FIBA rules that don't require him ever leaving paint. People forget that Camrelo Anthony played lot of C for USA in past as well. Combination of skill, height, weight narrower space where it's hard to exploit potential lack of burst , fiba rules, make it favorable to do so . And go watch Gobert's pathetic performances to figure why stiff wood 7 footers without finess and basketball skills struggle so much under FIBA rules (opposite of Vuc, Lauri, KAT , even Willy Hernagomez and other finess & skill-based players).

At the end of a day, nba players are so much more talented than non-nba players. Second tear would be Euroleague elite teams. Everything below that has steep decline in quality & performances.

This is execlly why somebody who in nba was role player like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson ( left nba at age of 26, after averaging 2,5 ppg for Portland) is now tearing world cup.

I could simply qoute Brian Scalabrinie: "i'm way closer to Lebron than you are to me".

Heh, I don't agree with your general premise. Just the derisory description (and not even bothering to spell New Zealand correctly )
Just FYI, you have to go back to 2016 to find a non New Zealand MVP. But for sure the ex college players generally are one of the best players on their team and the All NBA equivalent is usually at least 3/5 ex college.

[pepe1991]

I won't ask you nicely again.

What's there to elaborate?
I won't go into former moderator personal jabs, if i do, he might catch another mental breakdown and opens his burner accounts again

New Zeland.

In order to pass first round of qualifications New Zeland had to beat:
India- India lost 33 out of past 38 basketball games from 2017 to present day. Lebanon, who, on world cup, is probably least talented basketball team, beat them by 30. Twice.

Philippines - we saw with Soto where they are at when it comes to basketball talent. Their only two nba players in history are:
Jordan Clarkson - from Tempa ( somebody from mother's side was from Philippines.
Blatche- as far as i know, he has nothing to do with Philippines, he just took on their citizenship

Not that is matter, during qualifications, nba players can't participate anyway.

Philippines lost every single qualification tournament. Round one, round two and extra round. Still made it because of automatic qualifications due status of co-host.


On whole New Zeland roster, there are only 2 players above 6'8 and 0 players above 6'9.
As far as talent goes, their starting 5,at lest one at world cup, isn't bad. Finn Delany was okey role player on average team in Serbian league. Yannick Wetzell is very solid player by German league standars. Rest of a team is made out of domestic league players. But there's kicker, literally all best New Zeland's league players are -non- New Zeland- citizens. Rather crazy amount of
US college players that went undrafted. Jeremy Kendle, Javion Blake, JaQuori McLaughlin etc, all are American players.
So now we established why execlly i wrote "worst than college" . All best New Zeland's league players are- former college players from USA.


So once you plant somebody as big ( 6'10) and heavy ( 250 pounds) who is taller, stronger, heavier than anybody, and as talented as Banchero is, against their bench you , 100% get apsolute beast Banchero is ( both talent vise and physicality vise) against "worst than college competition" .

Ofc it appears he can play center, because , standing at 6'10, he can play center ,especially under FIBA rules that don't require him ever leaving paint. People forget that Camrelo Anthony played lot of C for USA in past as well. Combination of skill, height, weight narrower space where it's hard to exploit potential lack of burst , fiba rules, make it favorable to do so . And go watch Gobert's pathetic performances to figure why stiff wood 7 footers without finess and basketball skills struggle so much under FIBA rules (opposite of Vuc, Lauri, KAT , even Willy Hernagomez and other finess & skill-based players).

At the end of a day, nba players are so much more talented than non-nba players. Second tear would be Euroleague elite teams. Everything below that has steep decline in quality & performances.

This is execlly why somebody who in nba was role player like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson ( left nba at age of 26, after averaging 2,5 ppg for Portland) is now tearing world cup.

I could simply qoute Brian Scalabrinie: "i'm way closer to Lebron than you are to me".

Heh, I don't agree with your general premise. Just the derisory description (and not even bothering to spell New Zealand correctly )
Just FYI, you have to go back to 2016 to find a non New Zealand MVP. But for sure the ex college players generally are one of the best players on their team and the All NBA equivalent is usually at least 3/5 ex college.

In my language It's Novi Zeland , so whenever i write i just assume it's New Zeland instad of new Zealand, it's honest mistake, nothing about disrispecting or something like that ( in past i wrote Philippines wrong 200 times for similar reason ).


New Zealand NBL allstar 5 :

2021:
Dion Prewster- american
Hunter Hale- american
Dom Kelman-Poto - New Zealand
Taane Samuel- New Zealand
Dam Timmins -New Zealand

2022.
Jordan West- American
Anthony Hilliard- American
Javonte Douglas- American
Xavier Cooks- Australia
Chris Johnson- American

2023
Jeremy Kendle- American
Jarrad Weeks- Australian
Tevin Brown- american
Tod Withers- american
Robert Loe- New Zealand

So among 15 best players in past 3 years, 4 are New Zealand, 2 Australian, rest are Americans

Just FYI, you have to go back to 2016 to find a non New Zealand MVP

Ehh, Dion Prewster, 2021 mvp, father afro-american, mother from Samoa, born in California, moved to NZ, returnd for college back in US.
Robert Loe, 2023 MVP- born in England. Played NCAA college. Than in Greece, Belginum.

Pretty much proving my point that "worst than college competition" statement true. Most players come from league where former college scrubs are mvps. Loe spent 4 years at Saint Louis averaging 7,3 ppg on 43% FG as center.
Prewster SFA - 5 ppg at college.

[msmoore66]

What's there to elaborate?
I won't go into former moderator personal jabs, if i do, he might catch another mental breakdown and opens his burner accounts again

New Zeland.

In order to pass first round of qualifications New Zeland had to beat:
India- India lost 33 out of past 38 basketball games from 2017 to present day. Lebanon, who, on world cup, is probably least talented basketball team, beat them by 30. Twice.

Philippines - we saw with Soto where they are at when it comes to basketball talent. Their only two nba players in history are:
Jordan Clarkson - from Tempa ( somebody from mother's side was from Philippines.
Blatche- as far as i know, he has nothing to do with Philippines, he just took on their citizenship

Not that is matter, during qualifications, nba players can't participate anyway.

Philippines lost every single qualification tournament. Round one, round two and extra round. Still made it because of automatic qualifications due status of co-host.


On whole New Zeland roster, there are only 2 players above 6'8 and 0 players above 6'9.
As far as talent goes, their starting 5,at lest one at world cup, isn't bad. Finn Delany was okey role player on average team in Serbian league. Yannick Wetzell is very solid player by German league standars. Rest of a team is made out of domestic league players. But there's kicker, literally all best New Zeland's league players are -non- New Zeland- citizens. Rather crazy amount of
US college players that went undrafted. Jeremy Kendle, Javion Blake, JaQuori McLaughlin etc, all are American players.
So now we established why execlly i wrote "worst than college" . All best New Zeland's league players are- former college players from USA.


So once you plant somebody as big ( 6'10) and heavy ( 250 pounds) who is taller, stronger, heavier than anybody, and as talented as Banchero is, against their bench you , 100% get apsolute beast Banchero is ( both talent vise and physicality vise) against "worst than college competition" .

Ofc it appears he can play center, because , standing at 6'10, he can play center ,especially under FIBA rules that don't require him ever leaving paint. People forget that Camrelo Anthony played lot of C for USA in past as well. Combination of skill, height, weight narrower space where it's hard to exploit potential lack of burst , fiba rules, make it favorable to do so . And go watch Gobert's pathetic performances to figure why stiff wood 7 footers without finess and basketball skills struggle so much under FIBA rules (opposite of Vuc, Lauri, KAT , even Willy Hernagomez and other finess & skill-based players).

At the end of a day, nba players are so much more talented than non-nba players. Second tear would be Euroleague elite teams. Everything below that has steep decline in quality & performances.

This is execlly why somebody who in nba was role player like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson ( left nba at age of 26, after averaging 2,5 ppg for Portland) is now tearing world cup.

I could simply qoute Brian Scalabrinie: "i'm way closer to Lebron than you are to me".

Heh, I don't agree with your general premise. Just the derisory description (and not even bothering to spell New Zealand correctly )
Just FYI, you have to go back to 2016 to find a non New Zealand MVP. But for sure the ex college players generally are one of the best players on their team and the All NBA equivalent is usually at least 3/5 ex college.

In my language It's Novi Zeland , so whenever i write i just assume it's New Zeland instad of new Zealand, it's honest mistake, nothing about disrispecting or something like that ( in past i wrote Philippines wrong 200 times for similar reason ).


New Zealand NBL allstar 5 :

2021:
Dion Prewster- american
Hunter Hale- american
Dom Kelman-Poto - New Zealand
Taane Samuel- New Zealand
Dam Timmins -New Zealand

2022.
Jordan West- American
Anthony Hilliard- American
Javonte Douglas- American
Xavier Cooks- Australia
Chris Johnson- American

2023
Jeremy Kendle- American
Jarrad Weeks- Australian
Tevin Brown- american
Tod Withers- american
Robert Loe- New Zealand

So among 15 best players in past 3 years, 4 are New Zealand, 2 Australian, rest are Americans

Just FYI, you have to go back to 2016 to find a non New Zealand MVP

Ehh, Dion Prewster, 2021 mvp, father afro-american, mother from Samoa, born in California, moved to NZ, returnd for college back in US.
Robert Loe, 2023 MVP- born in England. Played NCAA college. Than in Greece, Belginum.

Pretty much proving my point that "worst than college competition" statement true. Most players come from league where former college scrubs are mvps. Loe spent 4 years at Saint Louis averaging 7,3 ppg on 43% FG as center.
Prewster SFA - 5 ppg at college.

Yeah I figured it would be some kind of auto correct after I posted that. All good!

Look I don’t disagree, the nbl is weak, hell when you scrimmage with some guys then they are playing in the nbl (Prewster in fact) it proves that point.

I just took umbrage with the tone haha, there.are more thoughtful ways to say your point, but I get you don’t really post with a filter, so no harm done.

FYI guys like Prewster and Loe are dime a dozen here (not born in NZ, but grew up here, played for various age group teams) and would consider themselves New Zealanders (and are). Hell as a sporting nation we would be screwed if guys like that weren’t able to be, given our cultural makeup.

[pepe1991]

Is Paolo just playing good defense against inferior competition or is the USA coaching staff bringing out the best in him? Maybe this is Paolo's natural defensive ability but we just don't know that because "I'm your homie not your coach" Mosley doesn't hold him accountable like Kerr and Spo do.

It's bit different defensive scheme on FIBA court.

3 point line stands at below 23 feet.

The size of an NBA court is 94 feet long by 50 feet wide (28.65 meters by 15.24 meters). Meanwhile, the size of a FIBA court is 91.86 feet by 49.21 feet (28 meters by 15 meters). Evidently, the FIBA court is smaller than in the NBA, allowing slightly less movement and spacing in and by itself without considering any other differences.


And most important part, there is no defensive 3 seconds violations , allowing teams to pack paint more.

Also traveling, ball carry, steps are called tight.

So in general it's much harder to overcome defender 1 on 1 and you need to move without ball more to get solid looks.



And Banchero in particular, plays way smaller role on USA team than on Magic. On Magic he is tasked to carry lot of offense so he needs to preseve energy on defense and take possessions off. Also nba teams don't really play much of a defense in regular season anyway so there's that.