FIBA World Cup 2023 part 2 SEMIS (USA vs GERMANY : SERBIA vs CANADA) poll added

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new WORLD CHAMPIONS will be?

Poll ended at Mon Sep 11, 2023 2:22 pm

USA
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43%
Germany
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6%
Canada
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Serbia
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Post#461 » by durden_tyler » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:27 am

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Muizha wrote:I think it goes like this:
Top 7 teams from WC qualify for Olympics.


Not exactly. It is true that 7 teams from WC qualify for the Olympics but it's not the top 7. It is the top teams from each continental confederation.

FIBA Asia, FIBA Africa and FIBA Oceania get 1 spot so only the top team (and by top team, I mean the one who gets the higher seed in the tournament) from each region qualifies for the Olympics.

FIBA Europe and FIBA Americas get 2 spots so the top two teams from these regions qualify.

FIBA Oceania has 2 teams in the tournament. Australia and New Zealand. Both of them are currently 1-1 as they go into their last game. Australia is facing the hosts, Japan, while New Zealand faces Greece. In both cases, the team who wins the game will advance to the second round. If Australia wins and New Zealand loses then Australia secures qualification for the Olympics. If New Zealand wins and Australia loses then New Zealand secures their qualification. If both teams win then it will depend on what happens in the second round. If they both lose, it will depend on what happens in the classification round and the classification games.

FIBA Africa has 5 teams in the tournament. Angola, Cape Verde, South Sudan, Ivory Coast and Egypt. All of them have won 1 game (Egypt is currently beating Mexico by 22 points and there's less than 4 minutes remaining so, yeah, I'm counting that as a win but none of them looks likely to advance to the second round. Egypt and Angola have already been eliminated (Angola has no chance to advance through a 3-way tie) whereas South Sudan and Cape Verde would need to beat Serbia and Slovenia respectively to advance to the second round. Ivory Coast is facing Brazil in the last game and they could advance with a win but Brazil is a pretty strong squad so this is unlikely as well. So, the classification groups and the classification games are going to play a massive role for who qualifies to the Olympics here. The one who does the best in the classification groups will be the one to secure their qualification for the Olympics.

FIBA Asia has 6 teams in the tournament. China, Japan, Philippines, Iran, Jordan and Lebanon. Japan is the only one who has a shot to advance as they're the only ones who have a game so far. It is possible for them to advance to the second round by beating Australia. It's not likely but it can happen. If they beat Australia then they have secured their qualification to the Olympics. But even if they don't, they're in a great spot. You see, the classification stage works similarly with the way the second round works. Group A matches up with Group B, Group C with Group D, Group E with Group F and Group G with Group H. And from the first group carry over, just like they do in the second round. The only difference is that it's the teams that finished bottom two instead of the ones that finished top two.

So, if Japan loses, they'll go into the classification groups along with Finland and the teams who finish bottom two in Group F. Group F is the group with Slovenia, Georgia, Cape Verde and Venezuela. Slovenia is 2-0, Georgia and Cape Verde are 1-1 while Venezuela is 0-2. Cape Verde is facing Slovenia on the last day and Georgia is facing Venezuela. Slovenia is one of the favorites so we could pencil them in for a 3-0 finish. Georgia is a pretty good team who beat Cape Verde by 25 on the first day. Cape Verde beat Venezuela by 6 points yesterday. So, I do expect Georgia to beat Venezuela which means that the bottom two of the group is Cape Verde and Venezuela. So, that would be the group then. Japan, Finland, Cape Verde, Venezuela. Japan and Cape Verde would carry over the one victory over Finland and Venezuela respectively while Finland and Venezuela would start off at a disadvantage. That gives Japan a pretty good chance at finishing in the first two spots of their group which means that they have a great chance of classifying anywhere from 17 to 24, especially since Finland is still a strong squad (despite their failure) and they have already beat them.

Great recap for our American friends who just care how their NBAers peform. LOL

But seriously, yes the classification (17-32) round will be super interesting— despite most out of the World Cup tourney, it’s a tournament within the tournament for those Olympic spots.

A few minor corrections but you get the gist of it and a lot will be decided after today.
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Post#462 » by AussieCeltic » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:28 am

Diop wrote:Sneaky shove by Ingles, how did he get away with that?


Yeh that was a horrible call but they gave him an equally bad one the next play down. Classic FIBA
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Post#463 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:30 am

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Sofia wrote:Australia playing like they’ve each shelved a full can of redbull, everything is at high pace and with purpose.

I think they’re enjoying the smaller competition

Yeah they’ve got a free look at the rim every time they drive and dish.

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Post#464 » by AussieCeltic » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:36 am

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Diop wrote:
Sofia wrote:Australia playing like they’ve each shelved a full can of redbull, everything is at high pace and with purpose.

I think they’re enjoying the smaller competition

Yeah they’ve got a free look at the rim every time they drive and dish.

Up to 8 assists on 12 fg


Giddey with 6 assists already
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Post#465 » by jk31 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:41 am

durden_tyler wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
Muizha wrote: 8...]

Great recap for our American friends who just care how their NBAers peform. LOL

But seriously, yes the classification (17-32) round will be super interesting— despite most out of the World Cup tourney, it’s a tournament within the tournament for those Olympic spots.

A few minor corrections but you get the gist of it and a lot will be decided after today.


The whole qualification process is so crazy. On one hand you have teams qualifying for the olympics with likely 1 or 2 wins in the whole tournament and on the other hand a european team likely needs to go to the semifinals and finish 4th or even with the bronze medal to qualify...
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Post#466 » by durden_tyler » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:44 am

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durden_tyler wrote:
Nuntius wrote:Great recap for our American friends who just care how their NBAers peform. LOL

But seriously, yes the classification (17-32) round will be super interesting— despite most out of the World Cup tourney, it’s a tournament within the tournament for those Olympic spots.

A few minor corrections but you get the gist of it and a lot will be decided after today.


The whole qualification process is so crazy. On one hand you have teams qualifying for the olympics with likely 1 or 2 wins in the whole tournament and on the other hand a european team likely needs to go to the semifinals and finish 4th or even with the bronze medal to qualify...

The aim is a representation of at least one country from a continent since it’s the Olympics.

There are still five (?) slots in the OQT, and likely be owned by the Euro teams so it’s still going to be a quality tournamanent.
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Post#467 » by LordCovington33 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:44 am

AussieCeltic wrote:
Sofia wrote:
Diop wrote:I think they’re enjoying the smaller competition

Yeah they’ve got a free look at the rim every time they drive and dish.

Up to 8 assists on 12 fg


Giddey with 6 assists already

The only time of the year when we are supporting the same team. Haha
I seriously hope they survive this and make it the QFs. I have tickets for both matches on Sept 6.
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Post#468 » by AussieCeltic » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:49 am

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Sofia wrote:Yeah they’ve got a free look at the rim every time they drive and dish.

Up to 8 assists on 12 fg


Giddey with 6 assists already

The only time of the year when we are supporting the same team. Haha
I seriously hope they survive this and make it the QFs. I have tickets for both matches on Sept 6.


Oh nice. Do you live there or going for holidays?

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Post#469 » by Phreak50 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:50 am

Hard to judge against an outclassed opponent but Australia looking better not relying on Mills’ contested shots every play.

Giddey definitely changed his mindset after that Germany game, he has come out really aggressive.
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Post#470 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:51 am

Sofia wrote:
Diop wrote:
Sofia wrote:Australia playing like they’ve each shelved a full can of redbull, everything is at high pace and with purpose.

I think they’re enjoying the smaller competition

Yeah they’ve got a free look at the rim every time they drive and dish.

Up to 8 assists on 12 fg

40 points in the paint at the half for Australia in their 22point lead
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Post#471 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:53 am

Phreak50 wrote:Hard to judge against an outclassed opponent but Australia looking better not relying on Mills’ contested shots every play.

Giddey definitely changed his mindset after that Germany game, he has come out really aggressive.


The purpose and intensity they’re playing with was sorely missing against Germany. It’s easy to say when they’re up by 22 at the half, but if they played to those levels against Germany they probably would have been kicking back and giving Dyson Daniels and Chris Goulding minutes already in this game.
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Post#472 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:54 am

This Kane Pitman bloke on Australian ESPN has the posture of Mr Burns once he starts talking, just folds himself in half. Keep him behind the desk.
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Post#473 » by AussieCeltic » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:57 am

Phreak50 wrote:Hard to judge against an outclassed opponent but Australia looking better not relying on Mills’ contested shots every play.

Giddey definitely changed his mindset after that Germany game, he has come out really aggressive.


Josh Green really seemed to change the dynamic of the starting group. His energy, defense and 3 point shooting seems a better fit than Thybulle.
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Post#474 » by Babylove » Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:59 am

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durden_tyler wrote:
Nuntius wrote:Great recap for our American friends who just care how their NBAers peform. LOL

But seriously, yes the classification (17-32) round will be super interesting— despite most out of the World Cup tourney, it’s a tournament within the tournament for those Olympic spots.

A few minor corrections but you get the gist of it and a lot will be decided after today.


The whole qualification process is so crazy. On one hand you have teams qualifying for the olympics with likely 1 or 2 wins in the whole tournament and on the other hand a european team likely needs to go to the semifinals and finish 4th or even with the bronze medal to qualify...

France has already qualified so they don’t count if the finish in the top 2 of the European teams. The remaining four slots com from an Olympic qualifying event between the WC and the Olympics. I found an article that explains how the qualification for that tournament works as it’s a little complicated to explain: https://olympics.com/en/news/how-to-qualify-basketball-paris-2024-qualification-system
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Post#475 » by Babylove » Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:02 pm

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The whole qualification process is so crazy. On one hand you have teams qualifying for the olympics with likely 1 or 2 wins in the whole tournament and on the other hand a european team likely needs to go to the semifinals and finish 4th or even with the bronze medal to qualify...

The aim is a representation of at least one country from a continent since it’s the Olympics.

There are still five (?) slots in the OQT, and likely be owned by the Euro teams so it’s still going to be a quality tournamanent.

4 slots. France as the host nation automatically gets one so they won’t count as the two European slots should they finish top two among the European nations.
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Post#476 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:05 pm

Australia commit 3 fouls in 11 seconds to open the 3rd qtr wtf
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Post#477 » by Babylove » Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:12 pm

Australia have 77 points and Mills has 5 and Ingles has 0. Once upon a time our scoring relied on these two carrying a lot of the scoring load.
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Post#478 » by makubesu » Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:21 pm

Didn’t get out scored every quarter :meditate:
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Post#479 » by triple_sec » Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:28 pm

why are people watching Australia while ITA - PHI is the only remaining game where something important (who to qualify) is still at stake?
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Post#480 » by LordCovington33 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:29 pm

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AussieCeltic wrote:
Giddey with 6 assists already

The only time of the year when we are supporting the same team. Haha
I seriously hope they survive this and make it the QFs. I have tickets for both matches on Sept 6.


Oh nice. Do you live there or going for holidays?

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