2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation 3 - Post Free Agency Discussion

sunsbg · Post #641 » by **sunsbg** » Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:32 pm

Mikal and Cam doesn't exactly impress against those no-NBAers so far. Especially Cam who's probably a bad contract now taking into account the health concerns.

SunsRback4Good · Post #642 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:26 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=e2jUjMUourhO2823KONxMg

This is so awesome. First Ayton sighting with the top Suns players in the off-season. Shut me up Ayton!! I love it.

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Lol why is some random guy creeping up on Suns players like that? Just let them do their business no need to attempt in chatting with them since they hardly said a word. Just an awkward encounter.

Post #643 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:39 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=e2jUjMUourhO2823KONxMg

This is so awesome. First Ayton sighting with the top Suns players in the off-season. Shut me up Ayton!! I love it.

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Lol why is some random guy creeping up on Suns players like that? Just let them do their business no need to attempt in chatting with them since they hardly said a word. Just an awkward encounter.

Yeah commentary is a little cringe but dude is being nice, albeit awkward

SunsRback4Good · Post #644 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:26 am

matt131 · Post #645 » by **matt131** » Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:42 pm

https://x.com/fibawc/status/1697275170594099544?s=46

TOO · Post #646 » by **TOO** » Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:31 pm

People call him a gimmick, lol.

sunsbg · Post #647 » by **sunsbg** » Thu Aug 31, 2023 8:31 pm

He's definitely skilled. Doesn't look athletic, but has size. Can't wait to see Watanabe and the rest of the new guys play in Suns jerseys.

Post #648 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:08 pm

The guy definitely is an NBA player. Just having a 3PT shot and size on the wings will get you minutes. All the other skills just complement those two assets of his.

SlovenianDragon · Post #649 » by **SlovenianDragon** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 12:55 am

how much money u guys got on the suns winning it all this season? If we are gunna win this is quite literally our best bet....

Im not even worried about injuries...we got guys that can step up at every position.

i bet a dollar at a time so i think im up to around 50 dollars or 50 bets :lol:

and gunna keep going 8-)

Frank Lee · Post #650 » by **Frank Lee** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 12:55 am

Interesting to see if Vogel deploys a first unit second unit hockey line approach to his bench.

garrick · Post #651 » by **garrick** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 3:06 am

SlovenianDragon wrote:how much money u guys got on the suns winning it all this season? If we are gunna win this is quite literally our best bet....

Im not even worried about injuries...we got guys that can step up at every position.

i bet a dollar at a time so i think im up to around 50 dollars or 50 bets and gunna keep going

If KD were a lot younger I would be expecting the Suns to win it all but I'm pessimistic about health with this team so I'm expecting the Suns to make the WCF but not expecting them to win it all.

sunsbum · Post #652 » by **sunsbum** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 5:21 am

garrick wrote:
SlovenianDragon wrote:how much money u guys got on the suns winning it all this season? If we are gunna win this is quite literally our best bet....

Im not even worried about injuries...we got guys that can step up at every position.

i bet a dollar at a time so i think im up to around 50 dollars or 50 bets and gunna keep going

If KD were a lot younger I would be expecting the Suns to win it all but I'm pessimistic about health with this team so I'm expecting the Suns to make the WCF but not expecting them to win it all.

If Ayton was better I would be expecting the suns to win it all but I'm pessimistic about his mental game with this team so I'm expecting the suns to make the WCF but not expecting them to win it all.

sunsbg · Post #653 » by **sunsbg** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 6:03 am

sunsbum wrote:
garrick wrote:
SlovenianDragon wrote:how much money u guys got on the suns winning it all this season? If we are gunna win this is quite literally our best bet....

Im not even worried about injuries...we got guys that can step up at every position.

i bet a dollar at a time so i think im up to around 50 dollars or 50 bets and gunna keep going

If KD were a lot younger I would be expecting the Suns to win it all but I'm pessimistic about health with this team so I'm expecting the Suns to make the WCF but not expecting them to win it all.

If Ayton was better I would be expecting the suns to win it all but I'm pessimistic about his mental game with this team so I'm expecting the suns to make the WCF but not expecting them to win it all.

LOL you are obsessed with Ayton. Nobody said the title hopes of Nets big 3 depended on Claxton. Team health is the main factor, but of course you decided to put it all on DA as usual.

garrick · Post #654 » by **garrick** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 12:06 pm

sunsbum wrote:
garrick wrote:
SlovenianDragon wrote:how much money u guys got on the suns winning it all this season? If we are gunna win this is quite literally our best bet....

Im not even worried about injuries...we got guys that can step up at every position.

i bet a dollar at a time so i think im up to around 50 dollars or 50 bets and gunna keep going

If KD were a lot younger I would be expecting the Suns to win it all but I'm pessimistic about health with this team so I'm expecting the Suns to make the WCF but not expecting them to win it all.

If Ayton was better I would be expecting the suns to win it all but I'm pessimistic about his mental game with this team so I'm expecting the suns to make the WCF but not expecting them to win it all.

Oh so you expect Ayton to be the difference maker not KD? That explains your strange obsession with Ayton and how you think this coming season will depend on Ayton to carry this team to a championship. :crazy:

Jdiddy701 · Post #655 » by **Jdiddy701** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 2:55 pm

garrick wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
garrick wrote:
If KD were a lot younger I would be expecting the Suns to win it all but I'm pessimistic about health with this team so I'm expecting the Suns to make the WCF but not expecting them to win it all.

If Ayton was better I would be expecting the suns to win it all but I'm pessimistic about his mental game with this team so I'm expecting the suns to make the WCF but not expecting them to win it all.

Oh so you expect Ayton to be the difference maker not KD? That explains your strange obsession with Ayton and how you think this coming season will depend on Ayton to carry this team to a championship.

Ayton is getting paid like a big boy too. I continue to say this, I know what I’m going to get consistently from Book, KD (and maybe Beal), no idea what version of DA we will ever see. Yes, he should have the same expectations as the other guys but he never does from people. I don’t get it.

He’s a big reason why the Suns have come short of winning a title the last 3 years - probably the biggest reason (next to CP3 always getting hurt).

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King4Day · Post #656 » by **King4Day** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 4:04 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=e2jUjMUourhO2823KONxMg

This is so awesome. First Ayton sighting with the top Suns players in the off-season. Shut me up Ayton!! I love it.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Lol why is some random guy creeping up on Suns players like that? Just let them do their business no need to attempt in chatting with them since they hardly said a word. Just an awkward encounter.

Understatement.
Dude is so freakin cringe. Talking like he's a friend of theirs like any of them care what he has to say.
The video alone would have been enough. And if he wants to narrate to say who's popping out, that's cool. But geez this was hard to watch.

sunskerr · Post #657 » by **sunskerr** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 4:36 pm

King4Day wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=e2jUjMUourhO2823KONxMg

This is so awesome. First Ayton sighting with the top Suns players in the off-season. Shut me up Ayton!! I love it.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Lol why is some random guy creeping up on Suns players like that? Just let them do their business no need to attempt in chatting with them since they hardly said a word. Just an awkward encounter.

Understatement.
Dude is so freakin cringe. Talking like he's a friend of theirs like any of them care what he has to say.
The video alone would have been enough. And if he wants to narrate to say who's popping out, that's cool. But geez this was hard to watch.

This lol...dude is shredding his own dignity as person. That's why its so hard to watch. Let alone for some dudes who put a ball through a circle lol. Like cmon man, all us workers are struggling but keep your dignity please.

spanishninja · Post #658 » by **spanishninja** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 4:37 pm

hmm looks like some of the leftover FAs are starting to sign. Harry Giles with the Nets, Svi with the Celtics and Javale with the Kings.

bigfoot · Post #659 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 5:31 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:
garrick wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
If Ayton was better I would be expecting the suns to win it all but I'm pessimistic about his mental game with this team so I'm expecting the suns to make the WCF but not expecting them to win it all.

Oh so you expect Ayton to be the difference maker not KD? That explains your strange obsession with Ayton and how you think this coming season will depend on Ayton to carry this team to a championship.

Ayton is getting paid like a big boy too. I continue to say this, I know what I’m going to get consistently from Book, KD (and maybe Beal), no idea what version of DA we will ever see. Yes, he should have the same expectations as the other guys but he never does from people. I don’t get it.

He’s a big reason why the Suns have come short of winning a title the last 3 years - probably the biggest reason (next to CP3 always getting hurt).

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This is the correct comparison too. You know that 99% of the time Booker and Durant are going to show up for a game. No questions asked. Ayton on the other hand is shows up like 60% of the time. Yet he is being paid a max contract and everyone should rightly expect much more.

Its not about points either. Ayton needs to understand his accolades will come from rebounding and defense ala Rudy Gobert who is a three-time all-star, three-time DPOY, and 10 time all-NBA or all-defensive team. Gobert is a max player who's best scoring season was 15.9 points on 8.8 attempts per game. Ayton averages 12 attempts per game over his career and his most complete season (year of the finals) he only attempted 9.7 shots per game. His defense was pretty good that year but not so much all the other years when he averaged more shots per game.

Saberestar · Post #660 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Sep 1, 2023 6:05 pm

bigfoot wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:
garrick wrote:
Oh so you expect Ayton to be the difference maker not KD? That explains your strange obsession with Ayton and how you think this coming season will depend on Ayton to carry this team to a championship.

Ayton is getting paid like a big boy too. I continue to say this, I know what I’m going to get consistently from Book, KD (and maybe Beal), no idea what version of DA we will ever see. Yes, he should have the same expectations as the other guys but he never does from people. I don’t get it.

He’s a big reason why the Suns have come short of winning a title the last 3 years - probably the biggest reason (next to CP3 always getting hurt).

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This is the correct comparison too. You know that 99% of the time Booker and Durant are going to show up for a game. No questions asked. Ayton on the other hand is shows up like 60% of the time. Yet he is being paid a max contract and everyone should rightly expect much more.

Its not about points either. Ayton needs to understand his accolades will come from rebounding and defense ala Rudy Gobert who is a three-time all-star, three-time DPOY, and 10 time all-NBA or all-defensive team. Gobert is a max player who's best scoring season was 15.9 points on 8.8 attempts per game. Ayton averages 12 attempts per game over his career and his most complete season (year of the finals) he only attempted 9.7 shots per game. His defense was pretty good that year but not so much all the other years when he averaged more shots per game.

Bad example IMO. We don't need someone as limited as Gobert on both sides.

Gobert has always been overrated and that’s why their teams has been unable to win in the playoffs.

With the Deandre trade, which is closer to your take?