FIBA World Cup 2023 part 2 SEMIS (USA vs GERMANY : SERBIA vs CANADA) poll added

[tleikheen]

I think Goorijan has made his bed with Patty Mills and Giddey but they look like a poor bet against Luka who will carve this tandem up to win. To me this game rides moreso on Exum ,Thybuille and Green ONLY if Goorijan plays them ,These guys can score and play defense but will that be the game plan. It has the feel of back an aging Mills and put Giddey as the face of Aussie basketball win or lose.

[MagicMamba88]

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/news/tissot-mvp-ladder-volume-ii-who-is-the-new-no-1

#3 - Anthony Edwards - USA - Shooting Guard (-2)
USA remain the favorites to win the competition but because of the depth of the Americans, Edwards slipped two spots from No. 1 to No. 3. But that is more because the two who passed him are needed more by their teams. Edwards is slowly showing his leadership skills in Manila, topping the team in scoring with 16.3 points per game and efficiency at 16.7. He also is picking up 5.7 rebounds and 3.3 assists for USA.

#9 - Austin Reaves - USA - Shooting Guard (+4)
Reeves enters the MVP Ladder at No. 9 as he has been a jack of all trades for USA, scoring 11.7 points, grabbing 3.0 rebounds and dishing out a team-high 4.3 assists to go with 2.0 steals. All of that production has come in under 20 minutes per game. On top of that, Reaves, who has become a fan favorite in the Philippines, is shooting 56 percent from long range.

[UcanUwill]

What about Tobey? He was nowhere, when Slovenia recruited him and got job in Barca, where he sucked. More or less everyone in NT looks much better with Luka, because he generates that many open shots for his teammates. The same happens in Nba, he's Santa for role players like DFS, THJ, Powell, Kleber...

Take Luka out and Slovenia has 1 of the worst rosters in WC. The only Euroleague player is Tobey, who was bench warmer in Barca. Then you have few Eurocup players and that's it. Zoran Dragic and Bine Prepelic starting tells you all.

I agree on Luka effect, that is what i am saying, but Tobey is fine. Yes, he does look so so much better because of Luka, but he is still fine elsewhere, they wouldnt else naturalized him if he was absolute nobody. On Barca he just was who he was, 3/4 th. Center in rotation, and he didnt suck in that role, Barca was just super stacked.

Prepelic tho, is just completely different player, he is simply great for Slovenia, and flat out sucks for everyone else these days.

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Tobey in Barca was 6/3 and in his whole Euroleague career is 8/4 with 9 Eff, which is pretty pedestrian. In NT he's 13/8 with 19 Eff. He's, like Prepelic, totally different player in NT. Tobey's decision to join Slovenian NT made him a lot of money.

Slovenia has far worse roster this year, odds for Australia look pretty fair. Luka needs to have almost perfect game for Slovenia to win and we know that Australia will throw everything on him + others will need to hit those open shots, which is not exactly given.

Like Mirotic12 said, Euroleague top level is way higher than most of these teams, RHJ''s stats would be like 4 times worse in Euroleague and he would still be good and same guy, but Jordan, just like Slovenia, doesnt have many guys at all really. Like we want to think of Slovenia as good team, but outside Luka, this team is honestly garbage, best guys are borderline Euroleague level these days if that. So, I do think Tobey is still TObey, of course Luka creates sh*t ton more for him, but the crucial difference that Euroleague squads are more competitive than Slovenian squad.

Like look at my Lithuanian team, Jokubaitis is balling, and in Barca he is just role player. It is same with NBA guys like Shroeder or Patty, NBA is on another level entirely, but the idea is the same.

[DaGawd]

brunson and hart putting in work

[Sakkreth]

2nd Round Odds:

Serbia -8 vs Italy
Germany -16 vs Georgia
USA -25.5 vs Montenegro
Spain -10.5 vs Latvia
Dominican Republic -9.5 vs Puerto Rico
Slovenia +6 vs Australia
Lithuania -7 vs Greece
Canada -19.5 vs Brazil

So i guess the "game of the day" is Slovena v Australia, that could go either way. Italy and Greece could pull off those upsets but i think Serbia, Lithuania are the better teams. i think US covers easily (they'd want to put this one away early as they get stronger opponents next rounds). KAT was in foul trouble last game so i think he bounces back and DOM covers vs PUR.

Thoughts on the spread, guys?

Canada over 19.5 is an easy one. I would also take Spain over and USA under. Australia is winning that by the way, and I doubt it's gonna be this close, the line should be like Slovenia +9.5 in my opinion.

[Mavrelous]

Mo wagner channeling is inner Giannis

[lambchop]

I agree on Luka effect, that is what i am saying, but Tobey is fine. Yes, he does look so so much better because of Luka, but he is still fine elsewhere, they wouldnt else naturalized him if he was absolute nobody. On Barca he just was who he was, 3/4 th. Center in rotation, and he didnt suck in that role, Barca was just super stacked.

Prepelic tho, is just completely different player, he is simply great for Slovenia, and flat out sucks for everyone else these days.

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Tobey in Barca was 6/3 and in his whole Euroleague career is 8/4 with 9 Eff, which is pretty pedestrian. In NT he's 13/8 with 19 Eff. He's, like Prepelic, totally different player in NT. Tobey's decision to join Slovenian NT made him a lot of money.

Slovenia has far worse roster this year, odds for Australia look pretty fair. Luka needs to have almost perfect game for Slovenia to win and we know that Australia will throw everything on him + others will need to hit those open shots, which is not exactly given.

Like Mirotic12 said, Euroleague top level is way higher than most of these teams, RHJ''s stats would be like 4 times worse in Euroleague and he would still be good and same guy, but Jordan, just like Slovenia, doesnt have many guys at all really. Like we want to think of Slovenia as good team, but outside Luka, this team is honestly garbage, best guys are borderline Euroleague level these days if that. So, I do think Tobey is still TObey, of course Luka creates sh*t ton more for him, but the crucial difference that Euroleague squads are more competitive than Slovenian squad.

Like look at my Lithuanian team, Jokubaitis is balling, and in Barca he is just role player. It is same with NBA guys like Shroeder or Patty, NBA is on another level entirely, but the idea is the same.

True, but regarding Tobey and Prepelic, keep in mind that playing alongside Doncic/ Goran Dragic does not compare to playing with any other Euroleague point guard. Yes, Teodosic and Campazzo will make some impressive passes, but if we're talking about controlling the outcome and flow of games, it's really night and day. Doncic makes Tobey look like a legit lob threat.

As for RHJ, he actually looks like someone CSKA would have signed, just a no nonsense guy who knows his strengths and can score in bunches. Definitely would be averaging way less points in the Euroleague, unless he ended up on a team like Berlin, but they probably couldn't afford him.

I personally think Jokubaitis is wasting his potential with Barcelona. But yea I 100% agree that Euroleague teams would stomp most of the teams participating in the tournament.

[lambchop]

Serbia has a small lead, although the Jovic brothers haven't impacted the game yet. I know they're not brothers...
I wonder how long Montenegro can keep this game close against team USA.

[Phreak50]

US playing disorganised in the first quarter.

The least team play I’ve seen even back to their warm up games.

Interesting stat too, in the tournament they are second last 31/32 in total passes made.

Obviously more fast breaks than most teams but a lot of players forcing stuff, particularly on drives when running into the last defender and still putting it up.

They are lucky not to be down 8-10 with the amount of turnovers Montenegro have had.

Edit: wow what a move by Banchero!

[Buckets22]

Pleasant surprise by Kerr, he put in Kessler to match Montenegros size!

[DaGawd]

edwards off so far

[Phreak50]

Really disappointed in the lack of support from both Japan and The Philippines for this tournament.

Nearly every game has the middle section of seats completely empty.

How can a USA game be the same especially?

Do they not want to watch the game from half court?

[Mavrelous]

You throwba guy out of such game for that???

[DaGawd]

ugly offense by team usa in that first half

[Buckets22]

Really disappointed in the lack of support from both Japan and The Philippines for this tournament.

Nearly every game has the middle section of seats completely empty.

How can a USA game be the same especially?

Do they not want to watch the game from half court?

They probably gave them to corpo sponsonrs

[Phreak50]

US down at half time, shooting 36% from the field.

Sloppy game from both teams.

[MagicMamba88]

ever since the lineup change with Ingram the bench has played terrible.

Tyrese and Reaves were killing it together.

[Sakkreth]

US down at half time, shooting 36% from the field.

Sloppy game from both teams.

It's going exactly as Montenegro would want it. Slow and ugly mud fight.

[Phreak50]

ever since the lineup change with Ingram the bench has played terrible.

Tyrese and Reaves were killing it together.

Agreed. Great observation.

There’s times on the play with Ingram out there that one of those two aren’t even touching the ball.

[djw]

Germany also struggling more than expected. Let's see if they find better solutions in the second half. Especially defensivly is where we have to be more focused. Offense looked a little too hectic from time to time.