FIBA World Cup 2023 part 2 SEMIS (USA vs GERMANY : SERBIA vs CANADA) poll added

[xb3at band1tx]

Brandon Ingram is ranked last or tied for last on team USA in
- Points per shot
- Steal percentage
- Block percentage
- Turnover rate
- PER

He is 2nd last in TS%.

[Sedale Threatt]

He honestly shouldn't even be playing. He's been horrible.

[knicksfan974]

Just got home from the double header game, Spain vs. Latvia, and Canada vs. Brazil.

My thoughts on the Spain vs. Latvia game:
Spain is a good and disciplined team. But to be ranked #1 team in FIBA ranking, I don't think they're that dominant. And I think they expect too much contribution from the OGs like Llull, Claver, and Rudy. Latvia is not a better a team than Spain, but they want it more in this game. Bertans, Rodions, Zoriks, Zagars, Grazulis didn't stop pressuring Spain all game. Especially in the 4th. Spain kept featuring the OGs in and out of the lineup in the 4th, and they couldn't match Latvia'a energy.

My thoughts on the Canada vs. Brazil game:
Canada beat themselves. They kept missing open shots, and rely too much on SGA running iso. Brazil did a decent job in slowing down SGA's iso. Brazil was really good on getting deflections and crashing the board. Overall I thought Brazil was pretty meh... But Canada kept shooting themselves on the foot. RJ Barrett and Dillon Brooks were useless. Caboclo is much bigger when you see him in person, and that wingspan is crazy. He has the quietest 19 points effort ever.

I'm not sure which FIBA ranking you mean, but the more official one does not only reflect the men national team but also takes into account success of different junior national teams. Therefore it is a pretty useless ranking, and can have some "surprises". Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[knicksfan974]

lol at canada and spain losing on purpose to avoid a semifinal vs usa.
now one of the two is out.

So it was RJ who was playing 4D chess all along!

[knicksfan974]

Is it just me or is Jokubaitis looking quicker in this tourney?

I'm frustrated the Knicks haven't made a move with him, one way or another. There should be value there.

Knicks invited him to summer league and really wanted him there this summer, but he declined because he wanted to play for NT.

I dont think he looks quicker, he is not really slow, its only his handle thats not tight, I mean he is good at protecting the ball under pressure, but low dribble it is not. I am just surprised by his continiously growing basketball IQ on offense, he is just good PG, I never really fear when ball is in his hands anymore. But I did notice a lot of mental defensive errors, he loses or misses a box out his off ball guys quite often I would say.

He is still very young, one poster here said it is sadly probably his final form already, but I dont think that at all, if he stays in Europe, why couldn't he become next Micic, MVP caliber player, he is 22, big and smart PG with shooting and finishing ability, why couldnt he be MVP caliber EUroleaguer? And if somehow he makes the jump and somehow sticks around in the NBA< he could turn into someone even better, why not? I like him a lot.

Maybe it is his handle looks a bit tighter and release quicker than I've seen before.

I'd never seen anything like the move at 1:50 before from him and he seems more comfortable in traffic in this video.

Watch on YouTube

I'm not sure what the Knicks do with him. Not too many minutes at the 1 and him and Brunson is a somewhat sketchy defensive pairing. But I would like to see him in the NBA.

Bring him over and make him a backup pg for Brunson. If he proves to be legit they will find more minutes for him.

[xb3at band1tx]

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[dockingsched]

Brandon Ingram is ranked last or tied for last on team USA in
- Points per shot
- Steal percentage
- Block percentage
- Turnover rate
- PER

He is 2nd last in TS%.

He has zero off the ball IQ, doesn’t know how to get open. I’d be concerned on how he’ll shine as a sidekick if Zion stays healthy. He’s too good to be a 6th man scoring machine, but he’s not good enough to be the guy carrying an offense. He’s gonna have to learn how to contribute in other ways in his career real soon.

[dockingsched]

It's going to be interesting to see Steve Kerr's career after Steph and Draymond.

In other news, every time Ant gets the ball my mind is already blacking out until the next play. This guy is straight up never passing. He has the athleticism and talent of all-time greats but so far hasn't shown the IQ or complete understanding of the game.

I don’t blame him for how aggressive he is, coaches basically gave him the green light, but man it’s like he doesn’t even look for the open man once he’s decided he’s going to iso. Lots of kick outs and passes that seems he never even looked.

[Sedale Threatt]

He's got Dollar Store Kobe tendencies for sure.

[levon]

He's got Dollar Store Kobe tendencies for sure.

Kobe was never like this when surrounded by talent, especially on Team USA. When you're trending past Kobe on the ballhog spectrum, it's time to dial it back.

[mikejames23]

I take a chill strategy if I am Canada and move on. A loss or two can happen here and there. Hopefully it's not in a deciding game.

[Sedale Threatt]

He's got Dollar Store Kobe tendencies for sure.

Kobe was never like this when surrounded by talent, especially on Team USA. When you're trending past Kobe on the ballhog spectrum, it's time to dial it back.

I was speaking generally. And I remember him being quite frequently like that when surrounded by talent.

[Capn'O]

Knicks invited him to summer league and really wanted him there this summer, but he declined because he wanted to play for NT.

I dont think he looks quicker, he is not really slow, its only his handle thats not tight, I mean he is good at protecting the ball under pressure, but low dribble it is not. I am just surprised by his continiously growing basketball IQ on offense, he is just good PG, I never really fear when ball is in his hands anymore. But I did notice a lot of mental defensive errors, he loses or misses a box out his off ball guys quite often I would say.

He is still very young, one poster here said it is sadly probably his final form already, but I dont think that at all, if he stays in Europe, why couldn't he become next Micic, MVP caliber player, he is 22, big and smart PG with shooting and finishing ability, why couldnt he be MVP caliber EUroleaguer? And if somehow he makes the jump and somehow sticks around in the NBA< he could turn into someone even better, why not? I like him a lot.

Maybe it is his handle looks a bit tighter and release quicker than I've seen before.

I'd never seen anything like the move at 1:50 before from him and he seems more comfortable in traffic in this video.

Watch on YouTube

I'm not sure what the Knicks do with him. Not too many minutes at the 1 and him and Brunson is a somewhat sketchy defensive pairing. But I would like to see him in the NBA.

Bring him over and make him a backup pg for Brunson. If he proves to be legit they will find more minutes for him.

He's not coming without some sort of guarantee of playing time. He's making millions and has a prominent role in Europe. Plus, the Knicks already have IQ for that role.

[RSP83]

Just got home from the double header game, Spain vs. Latvia, and Canada vs. Brazil.

My thoughts on the Spain vs. Latvia game:
Spain is a good and disciplined team. But to be ranked #1 team in FIBA ranking, I don't think they're that dominant. And I think they expect too much contribution from the OGs like Llull, Claver, and Rudy. Latvia is not a better a team than Spain, but they want it more in this game. Bertans, Rodions, Zoriks, Zagars, Grazulis didn't stop pressuring Spain all game. Especially in the 4th. Spain kept featuring the OGs in and out of the lineup in the 4th, and they couldn't match Latvia'a energy.

My thoughts on the Canada vs. Brazil game:
Canada beat themselves. They kept missing open shots, and rely too much on SGA running iso. Brazil did a decent job in slowing down SGA's iso. Brazil was really good on getting deflections and crashing the board. Overall I thought Brazil was pretty meh... But Canada kept shooting themselves on the foot. RJ Barrett and Dillon Brooks were useless. Caboclo is much bigger when you see him in person, and that wingspan is crazy. He has the quietest 19 points effort ever.

I'm not sure which FIBA ranking you mean, but the more official one does not only reflect the men national team but also takes into account success of different junior national teams. Therefore it is a pretty useless ranking, and can have some "surprises". Please correct me if I'm wrong.

https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen

[Liam_Gallagher]

Dillon Brooks is cheeks.

[Calinks]

One thing about Fiba basketball i like for sure better than the NBA....I like the level of physicality or should i say the refs let them play WAY MORE....i feel like the refs aren't trying to insert themselves into this game like they do in the NBA.....NBA should take some notes at least in this regard

Well I think this is true with guards. I think the refs let NBA bigs get mruderd and don't care. Embiid gets some calls but other bigs just get abused because they can take it. Star guards get whisles but scrub teams don't get the same benefit of the doubt, I hate how the NBA decides to apply the rules to different players. FIBA seems a lot more fair when it comes to contact.

[tamaraw08]

lol at canada and spain losing on purpose to avoid a semifinal vs usa.
now one of the two is out.

Canada did not lose on purpose, they were going all out.

Yeah, too much iso ball from SGA, then silly turnovers
and stupid decisions like Brooks choosing to switch to a smaller guy in the perimeter then gets beat for easy offensive attacks.
Brazil played a more physical defensive game, I’m still not sure why Murray choosing not to play because it’s not like 20 game tournament with no time to rest before the start of the season.

[Jasen777]

USA could legit have used Andre Drummond for this game.

[Sakkreth]

Some posters on this board had them higher on their power rankings than Lithuania and called me out when I disagreed

Brazil for sure isn't behind Lithuania. For this years World Cup, any Power Rankings which place Lithuania above Brazil have to be written with green font

I haven't sadly been able to follow a single match for several days now, but I still stand by that opinion.

Nice win for Brazil over Canada but I still think it's silly to rank Brazil over Lithuania even with this many absences.

[durden_tyler]

Slovenia saved my bets yesterday but pretty much sucked for the other bets so on to today's final classification day:

Philippines -2.5 vs. China. We might also lose this but no way am betting on China so let's just roll with a homecountry bias bet that will probably lose.

South Sudan -9.5 vs Angola. South Sudan easily but i wonder if they cover this one.. Dangerous spread bet but picking South Sudan.

Also liking the other Asian teams to cover (Jordan +4.5 vs Mexico and Iran +5.5 vs Lebanon)