Peregrine01 wrote:homecourtloss wrote:Peregrine01 wrote:
One observation on the other side of the ball: it seems that the general thinking wrt KG's offense is that he needs to be paired with better offensive creators to maximize his value. But the Celts, which had relatively strong offensive rosters, put up the following rORTGs (relative to that year's playoff average) in their playoff runs:
2008: +2
2009: -1
2010: -4
2011: -1
2012: -3
Now I'm aware that KG was past his prime at this point and was not the focal point of the offense. Still, it's a stretch for me to think that a younger version of him would have yielded significantly different offensive results in whatever the context. He was a strong passer yes but it seems like his offensive impact was always held back by his lack of ability to beat his man, shoot the 3 or finish in the paint. And because he lacked these abilities, he wasn't able to pressure defenses as an offensive focal point nor was he able to really make defenses pay by working off the creation of others.
Are the bolded offenses with KG on court? As you know the Celtics were much better BOTH offensively and defensively with KG on court.
Total. I’m cautious about using on/off samples in individual playoff runs because of sample size. In 2009, he missed the entire playoffs so that might be the best indicator for what you’re looking for.
We have a decent sized off minutes from 2008 to 2012 (i.e., 2800 minutes ON, 1700 minutes OFF)
Celtics were quite a bit better offensively (and defensively, of course), so these numbers you have for the Celtics’ rORtg are overly harsh on KG.
If we use PBPstats (NBA.com has the exact numbers but then the league playoffs average ORtg would be different so for ease):
2008 BOS PS ORtg: with KG, 111.17; without KG, 99.16. With KG, that looks like a +3.8 rORtg with KG if using BKREF playoffs’ ORtg numbers
2009 didn’t play, Boston a -1.4 rORtg
2010 BOS PS ORtg: with KG, 105.36; without KG, 103.21; that’s a -3.2 rORtg with KG
2011 BOS PS ORtg: with KG, 110.45; without KG, 93.0; that’s a +4.5 rORtg with KG
2012 BOS PS ORtg: with KG, 102.51; without KG, 92.59; that’s a -1.1 rORtg with KG