FIBA World Cup 2023 : GERMANY are the new World Champions! (takes on the world and beats it for once...)

[G R E Y]

The rest of the world is too good to just try beat by talent alone. Canada and US is very similar in that they look like a team put together just a week ago. They play like it's the Summer League game.

Because of a new and busy schedule and globalization of basketball , European teams also do not have much more time to prepare as well. Actually Canada's team was by far the team who played with same players the longest period.

Yeah but a lot of these guys have been playing together longer on national teams. They are familiar with systems and roles. It's stepping into something familiar rather than a whole new set of guys each time.

[Mavrelous]

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[MagicMamba88]

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[UcanUwill]

The rest of the world is too good to just try beat by talent alone. Canada and US is very similar in that they look like a team put together just a week ago. They play like it's the Summer League game.

Because of a new and busy schedule and globalization of basketball , European teams also do not have much more time to prepare as well. Actually Canada's team was by far the team who played with same players the longest period.

Euros have more continuity so far, but the main reason that a lot of them do not get individual stars of that magnitude, so they really try to master team play. USA had MORE time to gel than most Euro teams in this tournament, but they thought having ANT just shooting and guys liek Banchero and JJJ just outrunning and outswitching everyone would be enough. Same with Canada, who just made SGA a shot taker, end of strategy.

As I said in the past, Euroleague coaches do coach more, that doesnt necessarily mean they are better (but I dont know now... Some EUros do overcoach for their own demise (Jasikevicius)), NBA coaching job is just easier when you have LBJ, Durant, Luka... guys to whom even contested shot counts as good possession. They simply arent in desperation to draw many plays and strategies to get shots off, compared to Euro coaches, whose best guy is like Marko Guduric, who cant just ISO when possession goes bad... Who need team, plan and many options to find open guy and Euro NTs do that, and thats wy they look better prepared. Here we go, undercoaching was defeated today in both games.

That is why POP is GOAT. He had very talented team, he could just iso Duncan every time in side post, but man also adapted Euro coaching style of always playing to the best shot, a Leigh Ellis' "Very solid play" style, while also having NBA star players. Guy had best of both wordls, and that needed work and convincing star players over the years to buy in. Kerr only thought small and individual talent/athleticism will save his bum.

[Sgt Major]

Did Aleksa Avramovic really lock down Shai Gilgeous-Alexander?

Who is that guy?

Plays for Partizan Belgrade, the biggest Serbian team known in the NBA as Serbian Boston Celtics.

Isn't Red Star generally the more successful team, especially in the last decade?

Generally, not. Partizan won the Euroleague in 1992 and went to the F4 three more times, Red Star was never there.

And their success in the last 10 years is based on the state's help, as the current dictator is their fan who can't stand Partizan. Country officials are giving Red Star jerseys to their colleagues from other countries, while everyone else uses national team's jerseys in such occasions. It's beyond ridiculous, really.

[Dirk]

Might be unpopular, but both games that I saw USA lose, it seems that Reaves was always being hunted. LIT punished him downlow and GER put a combo on him on skates and downlow..

The primary reason the USA lost the game was because of Brunson.

Brunson had a team-worst +/- of -19, whereas Reaves was +4. The next closest negative +/- to Brunson was Bridges with -8.

Haliburton, who should have started over Brunson, was +14.

If Haliburton starts the game and Brunson's minutes are limited, Team USA wins.

Brunson played iso ball and was hunted on defense. He just couldn't hang out there, and it cost the USA a shot at the gold.

Brunson was benched down the stretch of the game, but it was already too late.


GAME STATS (including plus/minus):
https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/game/0809/USA-Germany#tab=boxscore

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Brunson let DawGawd, 3toheadmelo and the nation down. Thoroughly outplayed by Dennis Schroder.

[Popovich]

The rest of the world is too good to just try beat by talent alone. Canada and US is very similar in that they look like a team put together just a week ago. They play like it's the Summer League game.

Because of a new and busy schedule and globalization of basketball , European teams also do not have much more time to prepare as well. Actually Canada's team was by far the team who played with same players the longest period.

You're probably right. Maybe US and Canada has "too much NBA" in them and that doesn't always translate to International games. At the same time in a one and done format, anybody can win. Same cannot be said in a 7 game series.

True, basketball is not soccer where better team does not often win. 7 game series is great for clubs but not national teams.

[rade]

Whoa...USA might need the whole A team to win Paris next year. I'm talking LeBron/KD/Curry/AD/Dame type of starting lineup.

The Olympics is a way lower level tournament compared to the World Cup. Even this USA team could win it with a bit of luck

[HotRocks34]

Did Aleksa Avramovic really lock down Shai Gilgeous-Alexander?

Who is that guy?

I think this narrative is becoming a bit overblown on this board, maybe because of that great steal at the beginning of the fourth. He played great, tough defence, and made life difficult for SGA, but he didn't "lock him down".

More than anything, Serbia played excellent team defence on SGA, trying to keep the ball out of his hands, and doubling him frequently when he started his drives towards the paint. They forced him to give it up more often than he has in previous games (which is a big reason why he had 9 assists).

Canada was a 5.5 favorite that lost by 9 points. Shai had 15 points in an elimination game, in a tournament in which he was averaging like 25 PPG.

I've never heard of Avramovic. When Luka was held to 25 or whatever it was against Canada, and he was contained, that was against guys like Brooks and Dort.

Whatever the word choice is here, Shai under-performed against an underdog.

[TheSheriff]

Wow congrats Germany and Serbia!!

Instead of U-S-A! I'm chanting MY-GUY-THEIS!

Theis is a fun guy to root for.

He needs to get more credit. He played well.

[og15]

US needs a coach that adapts to what he sees. Kerr thinking you can play small while getting abused on the glass, that only works when you have Curry

They don't have any sniper shooters on the roster in general, they didn't set up their roster that way. I'm generally a fan of either having a volume pick and pop big or an off ball sniper 3PT shooter who runs around just to always keep the defense on their toes and occupied.

Cam Johnson? Reaves, Hali, and Bridges all really good shooters too

Oh yea, for sure, and before I continue, offense wasn't their problem because they had talent to score as needed. But would I say they ran a great offense? Meh, but it worked obviously.

Anyways, I didn't say they didn't have good shooters, even really good ones. A sniper (particularly off ball mover one) of course is a different type of player, of course Curry, duh, but also younger Curry, Redick, Korver, Kennard, if you go back, Ray Allen, Reggie are examples of the player type.

I was speaking of a specific role. The guy that can come off a screen or off ball action and if the defender isn't there it's basically in. Obviously Bane wasn't healthy, he's a guy that does a good amount of off ball action. A guy like Kennard plays that role but he isn't a good enough defensive player.

Haliburton I really like, he's moving up my list of players in the league I really like. He was assisted on just under 45% of his 3PA in the NBA season, he isn't ideal to be used as a decoy off the ball to move the defense though. He's great with the ball, excellent vision and passer, creates space well, etc.

Cam I agree, as you could use him as a pick setter that consistently draws the defense out, but he wasn't really useful. I actually forgot about him when I made the post because he had been so non existent.

Bridges can shoot very well, so can Reaves, no doubt. They had good spot up shooters for sure.

What I'm talking about though is players who simply occupy the defense by their off ball presence, that kind of player can be used to generate flow to an offense. Wouldn't help their defense though, but even generating good three's when needed, they were shaky.

[3toheadmelo]

Might be unpopular, but both games that I saw USA lose, it seems that Reaves was always being hunted. LIT punished him downlow and GER put a combo on him on skates and downlow..

The primary reason the USA lost the game was because of Brunson.

Brunson had a team-worst +/- of -19, whereas Reaves was +4. The next closest negative +/- to Brunson was Bridges with -8.

Haliburton, who should have started over Brunson, was +14.

If Haliburton starts the game and Brunson's minutes are limited, Team USA wins.

Brunson played iso ball and was hunted on defense. He just couldn't hang out there, and it cost the USA a shot at the gold.

Brunson was benched down the stretch of the game, but it was already too late.


GAME STATS (including plus/minus):
https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/game/0809/USA-Germany#tab=boxscore

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Brunson let DawGawd, 3toheadmelo and the nation down. Thoroughly outplayed by Dennis Schroder.

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and to be fair, mark cuban let yall down allowing us to steal brunson

[TroubleS0me]

I'm happy
I'm excited about this loss

[G R E Y]

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I mean, he's been RIGHT THERE the whole time! It's been said here over and over. Just so weird.

[Popovich]

Plays for Partizan Belgrade, the biggest Serbian team known in the NBA as Serbian Boston Celtics.

Isn't Red Star generally the more successful team, especially in the last decade?

Generally, not. Partizan won the Euroleague in 1992 and went to the F4 three more times, Red Star was never there.

And their success in the last 10 years is based on the state's help, as the current dictator is their fan who can't stand Partizan. Country officials are giving Red Star jerseys to their colleagues from other countries, while everyone else uses national team's jerseys in such occasions. It's beyond ridiculous, really.

It is just pathetic how head of state can be a person to blame for Partizan club fans.

[bisme37]

Wow congrats Germany and Serbia!!

Instead of U-S-A! I'm chanting MY-GUY-THEIS!

Theis is a fun guy to root for.

He needs to get more credit. He played well.

Seriously I can't watch the game until later today and even though USA lost I'm pumped to watch my guy Theis. He's the illest.

[KillMonger]

Kerr didn't learn the lesson, sometimes you just need size....don't let anyone tell you different...it matters, at least in fiba....Kessler needed more minutes

[og15]

The primary reason the USA lost the game was because of Brunson.

Brunson had a team-worst +/- of -19, whereas Reaves was +4. The next closest negative +/- to Brunson was Bridges with -8.

Haliburton, who should have started over Brunson, was +14.

If Haliburton starts the game and Brunson's minutes are limited, Team USA wins.

Brunson played iso ball and was hunted on defense. He just couldn't hang out there, and it cost the USA a shot at the gold.

Brunson was benched down the stretch of the game, but it was already too late.


GAME STATS (including plus/minus):
https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/game/0809/USA-Germany#tab=boxscore

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Brunson let DawGawd, 3toheadmelo and the nation down. Thoroughly outplayed by Dennis Schroder.

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and to be fair, mark cuban let yall down allowing us to steal brunson

Lol, slipping on probably a wet spot isn't really an argument against a player

[ItsDanger]

SGA had 9 assists, Serbia overloaded on him constantly. He was fine today.

[Pachinko_]

I don't know about inside Serbia but everybody else who has watched a bit of Partizan has become a fan lately. Their only mistake is they don't have a blog or a YouTube or something in English for their international fans.