FIBA World Cup 2023 : GERMANY are the new World Champions! (takes on the world and beats it for once...)

[Popovich]

SGA had 9 assists, Serbia overloaded on him constantly. He was fine today.

It was more than a few times when Serbia unnecessarily doubled him.

[evilution]

The rest of the world is too good to just try beat by talent alone. Canada and US is very similar in that they look like a team put together just a week ago. They play like it's the Summer League game.

Because of a new and busy schedule and globalization of basketball , European teams also do not have much more time to prepare as well. Actually Canada's team was by far the team who played with same players the longest period.

Euros have more continuity so far, but the main reason that a lot of them do not get individual stars of that magnitude, so they really try to master team play. USA had MORE time to gel than most Euro teams in this tournament, but they thought having ANT just shooting and guys liek Banchero and JJJ just outrunning and outswitching everyone would be enough. Same with Canada, who just made SGA a shot taker, end of strategy.

As I said in the past, Euroleague coaches do coach more, that doesnt necessarily mean they are better (but I dont know now... Some EUros do overcoach for their own demise (Jasikevicius)), NBA coaching job is just easier when you have LBJ, Durant, Luka... guys to whom even contested shot counts as good possession. They simply arent in desperation to draw many plays and strategies to get shots off, compared to Euro coaches, whose best guy is like Marko Guduric, who cant just ISO when possession goes bad... Who need team, plan and many options to find open guy and Euro NTs do that, and thats wy they look better prepared. Here we go, undercoaching was defeated today in both games.

That is why POP is GOAT. He had very talented team, he could just iso Duncan every time in side post, but man also adapted Euro coaching style of always playing to the best shot, a Leigh Ellis' "Very solid play" style, while also having NBA star players. Guy had best of both wordls, and that needed work and convincing star players over the years to buy in. Kerr only thought small and individual talent/athleticism will save his bum.

Euroleague coaching is more about coaching and plays, NBA coaching is more about managing egos.

[3toheadmelo]

Brunson let DawGawd, 3toheadmelo and the nation down. Thoroughly outplayed by Dennis Schroder.

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and to be fair, mark cuban let yall down allowing us to steal brunson

Lol, slipping on probably a wet spot isn't really an argument against a player

imagine calling that a wet spot when he clearly got cooked

[DusterBuster]

Remember that time everyone thought Austin Reaves was going to be the next Larry Bird for a week because of two good FIBA games?

[jpatrick]

We didn’t lose because of our offense, iso based or not. We lost because of defense and rebounding. How this team doesn’t have a 6’10”ish wing that can play defense and rebound to play PF if we want to play small is insane. Even someone like Jaden McDaniels would have helped. You can’t go solely with one real big, especially when that big is not a good rebounder.

We gave up 113 points in a 40 minute game. That’s lack of rebounding, lack of defensive size, and a defensive scheme that allowed Reaves and Brunson to get hunted over-and-over again.

[Pokuokic]

Plays for Partizan Belgrade, the biggest Serbian team known in the NBA as Serbian Boston Celtics.

Isn't Red Star generally the more successful team, especially in the last decade?

Generally, not. Partizan won the Euroleague in 1992 and went to the F4 three more times, Red Star was never there.

And their success in the last 10 years is based on the state's help, as the current dictator is their fan who can't stand Partizan. Country officials are giving Red Star jerseys to their colleagues from other countries, while everyone else uses national team's jerseys in such occasions. It's beyond ridiculous, really.

Both Partizan and Red Star are scum teams who destroy young Serbian talent and barely play any local players than beg the state for money to give to already rich foreigners. Both should be shut down and that money given to teams like Borac Cacak who actually have mainly Serbian talent (FMP is scum as well).

The fact that Red Star sent Topic to play for Mega instead of playing in the Euroleague shows how scum they're also Partizan is ruining Trifunovic (already ruined)/Balsa/Vukcevic (hopefully they don't destroy that up and coming PG I think Savo is his first name) all at the same time thank god that Slovenian kid Gilas got out of there.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Did Aleksa Avramovic really lock down Shai Gilgeous-Alexander?

Who is that guy?

I think this narrative is becoming a bit overblown on this board, maybe because of that great steal at the beginning of the fourth. He played great, tough defence, and made life difficult for SGA, but he didn't "lock him down".

More than anything, Serbia played excellent team defence on SGA, trying to keep the ball out of his hands, and doubling him frequently when he started his drives towards the paint. They forced him to give it up more often than he has in previous games (which is a big reason why he had 9 assists).

Canada was a 5.5 favorite that lost by 9 points. Shai had 15 points in an elimination game, in a tournament in which he was averaging like 25 PPG.

I've never heard of Avramovic. When Luka was held to 25 or whatever it was against Canada, and he was contained, that was against guys like Brooks and Dort.

Whatever the word choice is here, Shai under-performed against an underdog.

Sure, but I wasn't arguing that Shai did or didn't underperform. I just don't think it can be laid at the feet of one defender. Serbia as a team did an excellent job against him and taking him out of what he wanted to do. For example, SGA didn't score in the first quarter, and for most, if not all of that time that SGA was playing in that quarter, Avramovic wasn't even on the court.

[UcanUwill]

Because of a new and busy schedule and globalization of basketball , European teams also do not have much more time to prepare as well. Actually Canada's team was by far the team who played with same players the longest period.

Euros have more continuity so far, but the main reason that a lot of them do not get individual stars of that magnitude, so they really try to master team play. USA had MORE time to gel than most Euro teams in this tournament, but they thought having ANT just shooting and guys liek Banchero and JJJ just outrunning and outswitching everyone would be enough. Same with Canada, who just made SGA a shot taker, end of strategy.

As I said in the past, Euroleague coaches do coach more, that doesnt necessarily mean they are better (but I dont know now... Some EUros do overcoach for their own demise (Jasikevicius)), NBA coaching job is just easier when you have LBJ, Durant, Luka... guys to whom even contested shot counts as good possession. They simply arent in desperation to draw many plays and strategies to get shots off, compared to Euro coaches, whose best guy is like Marko Guduric, who cant just ISO when possession goes bad... Who need team, plan and many options to find open guy and Euro NTs do that, and thats wy they look better prepared. Here we go, undercoaching was defeated today in both games.

That is why POP is GOAT. He had very talented team, he could just iso Duncan every time in side post, but man also adapted Euro coaching style of always playing to the best shot, a Leigh Ellis' "Very solid play" style, while also having NBA star players. Guy had best of both wordls, and that needed work and convincing star players over the years to buy in. Kerr only thought small and individual talent/athleticism will save his bum.

Euroleague coaching is more about coaching and plays, NBA coaching is more about managing egos.

Yes, Definitely. NBA coaching job is harder in different areas. You can be brilliant strategiest, but if you cant gel with your superstar, you will just be a wash out.

[celticfan42487]

Olympics organizers must be so happy. Even half-injured superstars and aging ones will want that redemption gig aggressively.

Knowing the US will send their A team, Serbia, France, Canada (among others) will be motivates to include the Jokics, Wemby and Murrays too!

A great day for basketball

Could easily go in the other direction.

Americans lose interest in things they're not great in. See international soccer.

So if the risk to success costs your major stars playing at their best. It could get to the point where the USA just opts out and goes back to letting this be basically what it was in the past. Even younger and less established players who could use it for development but that's it.

In the end it's always going to be second rate to NBA. No one is paid the huge bucks or massive endorsements here to win the occasionally tournament of the World Cup or the Olympics.

[ItsDanger]

This switching defense style is very vulnerable to quick PG penetration. Perhaps reconsider this strategy in FIBA.

[Stromile12]

Serbia is a beast, I've always been a fan of Bogdanovic.

[NoStatsGuy]

The rest of the world is too good to just try beat by talent alone. Canada and US is very similar in that they look like a team put together just a week ago. They play like it's the Summer League game.

Because of a new and busy schedule and globalization of basketball , European teams also do not have much more time to prepare as well. Actually Canada's team was by far the team who played with same players the longest period.

Yeah but a lot of these guys have been playing together longer on national teams. They are familiar with systems and roles. It's stepping into something familiar rather than a whole new set of guys each time.

i can only speak for germany obviously. but everything that was put in place 10 years ago starts comming into fruition. And i know most these players on the germany team have been playing together one way or another for the past 10 years.

ofc there are some exceptions like schröder who spent way more time in the NBA than the other guys but in 2011 they restructured everything and this generation of kids had some great development and teamchemistry built post the Nowitzki era.

you clearly see this world cup latvia, serbia, germany for example.. teams with solid fundamentals, bball IQ and coaching can go a mile. but lets not kid ourselves.. if USAs roster had KD, steph, lebron, draymond, AD/Bam plus shooters and defensive guys noone can beat USA. They just need to bring their best if they care about this title.

[G R E Y]

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[AdagioPace]

Olympics organizers must be so happy. Even half-injured superstars and aging ones will want that redemption gig aggressively.

Knowing the US will send their A team, Serbia, France, Canada (among others) will be motivates to include the Jokics, Wemby and Murrays too!

A great day for basketball

Could easily go in the other direction.

Americans lose interest in things they're not great in. See international soccer.

So if the risk to success costs your major stars playing at their best. It could get to the point where the USA just opts out and goes back to letting this be basically what it was in the past. Even younger and less established players who could use it for development but that's it.

In the end it's always going to be second rate to NBA. No one is paid the huge bucks or massive endorsements here to win the occasionally tournament of the World Cup or the Olympics.

USA has always had isolasionist phases in its history (politics, wars, economics, sport, etc..) but I doubt they snob the Olympics. it's they only way to prove they are the best in the world.

[durden_tyler]

Olympics organizers must be so happy. Even half-injured superstars and aging ones will want that redemption gig aggressively.

Knowing the US will send their A team, Serbia, France, Canada (among others) will be motivates to include the Jokics, Wemby and Murrays too!

A great day for basketball

Could easily go in the other direction.

Americans lose interest in things they're not great in. See international soccer.

So if the risk to success costs your major stars playing at their best. It could get to the point where the USA just opts out and goes back to letting this be basically what it was in the past. Even younger and less established players who could use it for development but that's it.

In the end it's always going to be second rate to NBA. No one is paid the huge bucks or massive endorsements here to win the occasionally tournament of the World Cup or the Olympics.

It’s their B Team that lost.

[lambchop]

Maybe geriatric club can still do it

Definitely need to add some youth to that. I think if you add Booker, Tatum, Brown, Edwards, Haliburton to that core, they should be fine. Would essentially be
Dame/Haliburton
Steph/Booker/Brown
Tatum/Edwards/Brown (brown would be getting minutes at sg and sf)
LBJ/KD
AD

And again not enough size or defense , way too many players wanting the ball - you need a better balance than just a bunch of offensive stars.

Valid point regarding defense. It really was special time from around 2006 to 2012 where many of the best players (Kobe, Wade, LBJ, Dwight, CP3, Garnett etc.) just so happened to be excellent defenders when asked to.

[MagicMamba88]

We didn’t lose because of our offense, iso based or not. We lost because of defense and rebounding. How this team doesn’t have a 6’10”ish wing that can play defense and rebound to play PF if we want to play small is insane. Even someone like Jaden McDaniels would have helped. You can’t go solely with one real big, especially when that big is not a good rebounder.

We gave up 113 points in a 40 minute game. That’s lack of rebounding, lack of defensive size, and a defensive scheme that allowed Reaves and Brunson to get hunted over-and-over again.

Reaves was the reason why they were in the game to begin with.

if Brunson and Ant didn't freeze him out for almost the whole second half this would of been a blowout for Germany.

[lambchop]

We didn’t lose because of our offense, iso based or not. We lost because of defense and rebounding. How this team doesn’t have a 6’10”ish wing that can play defense and rebound to play PF if we want to play small is insane. Even someone like Jaden McDaniels would have helped. You can’t go solely with one real big, especially when that big is not a good rebounder.

We gave up 113 points in a 40 minute game. That’s lack of rebounding, lack of defensive size, and a defensive scheme that allowed Reaves and Brunson to get hunted over-and-over again.

Reaves was the reason why they were in the game to begin with.

if Brunson and Ant didn't freeze him out for almost the whole second half this would of been a blowout for Germany.

Definitely not a blowout, unless you think the US would have won 130 to 110, but yea maybe they would have been up 3 to 6 in the final minute which would have made a huge difference psychologically.

[og15]

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and to be fair, mark cuban let yall down allowing us to steal brunson

Lol, slipping on probably a wet spot isn't really an argument against a player

imagine calling that a wet spot when he clearly got cooked

Whatever makes you happy or feel vindicated in whatever vindication or happiness you are look for, more power to you

[Popovich]

Isn't Red Star generally the more successful team, especially in the last decade?

Generally, not. Partizan won the Euroleague in 1992 and went to the F4 three more times, Red Star was never there.

And their success in the last 10 years is based on the state's help, as the current dictator is their fan who can't stand Partizan. Country officials are giving Red Star jerseys to their colleagues from other countries, while everyone else uses national team's jerseys in such occasions. It's beyond ridiculous, really.

Both Partizan and Red Star are scum teams who destroy young Serbian talent and barely play any local players than beg the state for money to give to already rich foreigners. Both should be shut down and that money given to teams like Borac Cacak who actually have mainly Serbian talent (FMP is scum as well).

The fact that Red Star sent Topic to play for Mega instead of playing in the Euroleague shows how scum they're also Partizan is ruining Trifunovic (already ruined)/Balsa/Vukcevic (hopefully they don't destroy that up and coming PG I think Savo is his first name) all at the same time thank god that Slovenian kid Gilas got out of there.

I would sight that right away. I am not against foreign players but too much is too much, and why they ask money from the state? If I am correct, both teams are privatized.