Austin Reaves Has Been Great In FIBA ... Could He Be An All-Star?

[levon]

My opinion on him has actually changed on him a little bit since the I last posted. This dude is flat-out unplayable when his shot isn't falling. The way he was target on defense was nothing shy of a embarrssment and this is against guys who are often not considered as NBA cailber players. Just Imagine just how even a semi decent guard in the NBA will target Reeves on defense and I'm expecting his offensive production to drop from where it was last year since he will be on other teams scouting report, he won't the easy looks or getting the ref calls he got last year. So we are possibly talking someone who's basically a 10-12/3/3 guy who shoots around on like 44-46% from the field, 35-37% from the 3pt line, while being a totally liability on defense? Yikes!

My early prediction is that paying Austin Reaves 14 milion contract may end up being viewed as a signifcant overpay a year from now. The guy simply is not a starting level player and never will be. I would like him as my 8th-9th guy off the bench and play around 15 mintues per game to provide shooting, while on a 7-9 million dollar per year contract,but asking for anything more than that out of him or giving more than 9 million dollar per year is asking for big trouble.

My opinion of you has stayed the same since you last posted.

[ROballer]

My opinion on him has actually changed on him a little bit since the I last posted. This dude is flat-out unplayable when his shot isn't falling. The way he was target on defense was nothing shy of a embarrssment and this is against guys who are often not considered as NBA cailber players. Just Imagine just how even a semi decent guard in the NBA will target Reeves on defense and I'm expecting his offensive production to drop from where it was last year since he will be on other teams scouting report, he won't the easy looks or getting the ref calls he got last year. So we are possibly talking someone who's basically a 10-12/3/3 guy who shoots around on like 44-46% from the field, 35-37% from the 3pt line, while being a totally liability on defense? Yikes!

My early prediction is that paying Austin Reaves 14 milion contract may end up being viewed as a signifcant overpay a year from now. The guy simply is not a starting level player and never will be. I would like him as my 8th-9th guy off the bench and play around 15 mintues per game to provide shooting, while on a 7-9 million dollar per year contract,but asking for anything more than that out of him or giving more than 9 million dollar per year is asking for big trouble.

You're absolutely delusional. The guy played 36 mins a game in the playoffs on a WCF team, a top 4 team in the NBA.

You think the NBA coaches are so dumb to not target him as you say? If he's so terrible on D?
No player will ever sniff 36 mins while going deep into the postseason if he can't defend adequately. Not on Darvin Ham's who prioritizes defense and not on every other damn team, period.

He might struggle on occasion against post ups but who the **** posts up in the NBA anymore? I'll wait..

You don't know jack squat about basketball, you might watch the games but don't understand it. Time to pick up a different sport.

He's never going to make an all star team most likely, but posts like yours should be shamed to death because the cluelesness is at an all time high. And based on what? A lone FIBA game. Please go away.

[JustBuzzin]

My opinion on him has actually changed on him a little bit since the I last posted. This dude is flat-out unplayable when his shot isn't falling. The way he was target on defense was nothing shy of a embarrssment and this is against guys who are often not considered as NBA cailber players. Just Imagine just how even a semi decent guard in the NBA will target Reeves on defense and I'm expecting his offensive production to drop from where it was last year since he will be on other teams scouting report, he won't the easy looks or getting the ref calls he got last year. So we are possibly talking someone who's basically a 10-12/3/3 guy who shoots around on like 44-46% from the field, 35-37% from the 3pt line, while being a totally liability on defense? Yikes!

My early prediction is that paying Austin Reaves 14 milion contract may end up being viewed as a signifcant overpay a year from now. The guy simply is not a starting level player and never will be. I would like him as my 8th-9th guy off the bench and play around 15 mintues per game to provide shooting, while on a 7-9 million dollar per year contract,but asking for anything more than that out of him or giving more than 9 million dollar per year is asking for big trouble.

My opinion of you has stayed the same since you last posted.

lmao

[ROballer]

Undrafted, not good enough for the NBA.
Plays his way into the rotation, not good enough to start.
Eventually gets the start on a WCF team, gets called to the US team because of the token white guy scenario, he's clearly not good enough to be on team USA.
Gets 20 mins a game, outplays NBA all stars on his team, finishes the games and plays the 3rd most minutes in a semifinal elimination game and is the team's second leading scorer and takes the 2nd most shots.
Maintains his all world efficiency at every single level. Regular season, playoffs, FIBA, everywhere.

..but he's still not an NBA starter level player, should really play 15 minutes a game and not make more than 9 mil, because he's been exposed and his efficiency will plummet as teams will hunt him on D and start scouting him more.

All world logic.

[zero rings]

I think this tournament actually hurt him the most it was embarrassing how teams target him on offense and how he got bully by pretty everyone.

Dude is right there with Herro ,Duncan ,Kennard or any other JJ Reddick/Kyle Kover type player.Great offensively but awful on Defense.

Don’t forget about Joe Harris, Doug McDermott, and Corey Kispert!

Any other white 3 pt specialists we’re forgetting?

[JonFromVA]

There's isn't a whole lot to learn from games like these, but any conclusions need to start end end with the biggest games against legit competitors. And the news is good for Reaves, he shot well against Germany and if he continues to shoot well in big games maybe he can become an All-Star - at least in the sense that Kyle Korver and all the gravity he generated with his shooting was a one-time All-Star.

But to become a year-in / year-out All-Star, Reaves will need to become a lot more than that - even playing in LA.

[Lalouie]

Not as long as the Lakers have LeBron

[Phreak50]

He hit some.shots and looked confident on offense against Germany but he got bullied in the post once again and blown by, by average NBA players.

He is too slow and weak on d and smart NBA teams will attack him.

[TheHartBreakKid]

Herro is 23, has put up 20-5-4 seasons already and gets trashed like he’s a negative player

This guy has a decent season in a smaller role at 26 and people are overrating him, debating future all star convo, gets invited to Team USA.

It doesn’t make sense to me at all.

-Herro is 23, turning 24 next Jan. Reeves is 25, turning 26. Getting one age correct and the other's wrong, when making an age-based argument, is pretty interesting. Reeves was 25 the entirety of the last regular season.
- It's also interesting that you fail to mention Reeves' improvement curve and fewer years in the league, again in an age based argument.
- Was Herro even interested in playing for team USA? To use Reeve's team USA invite as a sign of him being overrated vs Herro is a little irrelevant if Herro wasn't interested/wanted to focus on his health this summer.
- I'm not turning this into a Herro vs Reeves. Herro is a great player, is younger as you mentioned, and Reeves only has around half a season playing a role like Herro's, while Herro has done it for 2-3 years. I simply wanted to point out the inaccuracies in the post I quoted, along with the missing context.

[Dacost]

He hit some.shots and looked confident on offense against Germany but he got bullied in the post once again and blown by, by average NBA players.

He is too slow and weak on d and smart NBA teams will attack him.

For Lakers fans that doesn't matter all they ses is the offensive number.

Reeves will be top in fan votes come allstar again but no coach is going to vote for such awful defender.

[levon]

He hit some.shots and looked confident on offense against Germany but he got bullied in the post once again and blown by, by average NBA players.

He is too slow and weak on d and smart NBA teams will attack him.

I get you're incredibly offended by the Ginobili comps, but the impact metrics don't bear out that he's a bad defender. He's even got highlights in FIBA that disprove what you're saying.

D-RAPTOR gives him a +1.6 and +1.7 the past two seasons, which is well above average, especially at his position.
Defensive EPM has him at 62nd percentile (neutral). For comparison, Herro is 42nd percentile, Maxey 55th percentile, Haliburton 53rd percentile, Brunson 7th percentile.
He's actually one of the better off-ball chaser and perimeter ISO defenders in the league among guards.

Now obviously he got bullied by guys that weight 40 more lbs than him on the block and got beat by Schroder twice, but who exactly was going to win those matchups? Specifically which skill guard was going to win those matchups? You have to contain Schroder with length and rim protection because almost no one is staying in front of him.

You're seriously mistaking scheme and individual matchups with overall player quality, probably because you desperately want this player to not be good. But the reality is never going to match what you want in this case.

[Phreak50]

He hit some.shots and looked confident on offense against Germany but he got bullied in the post once again and blown by, by average NBA players.

He is too slow and weak on d and smart NBA teams will attack him.

I get you're incredibly offended by the Ginobili comps, but the impact metrics don't bear out that he's a bad defender. He's even got highlights in FIBA that disprove what you're saying.

D-RAPTOR gives him a +1.6 and +1.7 the past two seasons, which is well above average, especially at his position.
Defensive EPM has him at 62nd percentile (neutral). For comparison, Herro is 42nd percentile, Maxey 55th percentile, Haliburton 53rd percentile, Brunson 7th percentile.
He's actually one of the better off-ball chaser and perimeter ISO defenders in the league among guards.

Now obviously he got bullied by guys that weight 40 more lbs than him on the block and got beat by Schroder twice, but who exactly was going to win those matchups? Specifically which skill guard was going to win those matchups? You have to contain Schroder with length and rim protection because almost no one is staying in front of him.

You're seriously mistaking scheme and individual matchups with overall player quality, probably because you desperately want this player to not be good. But the reality is never going to match what you want in this case.

He is a horrible defender.

Blown by, by Schroder of all players.

Looked like a child playing men in the post.

Committed a bunch of fouls against shooters, even fouled out one game.

Stop posting stupid statistics when all you need is eyes.

[levon]

He hit some.shots and looked confident on offense against Germany but he got bullied in the post once again and blown by, by average NBA players.

He is too slow and weak on d and smart NBA teams will attack him.

I get you're incredibly offended by the Ginobili comps, but the impact metrics don't bear out that he's a bad defender. He's even got highlights in FIBA that disprove what you're saying.

D-RAPTOR gives him a +1.6 and +1.7 the past two seasons, which is well above average, especially at his position.
Defensive EPM has him at 62nd percentile (neutral). For comparison, Herro is 42nd percentile, Maxey 55th percentile, Haliburton 53rd percentile, Brunson 7th percentile.
He's actually one of the better off-ball chaser and perimeter ISO defenders in the league among guards.

Now obviously he got bullied by guys that weight 40 more lbs than him on the block and got beat by Schroder twice, but who exactly was going to win those matchups? Specifically which skill guard was going to win those matchups? You have to contain Schroder with length and rim protection because almost no one is staying in front of him.

You're seriously mistaking scheme and individual matchups with overall player quality, probably because you desperately want this player to not be good. But the reality is never going to match what you want in this case.

He is a horrible defender.

Blown by, by Schroder of all players.

Looked like a child playing men in the post.

Committed a bunch of fouls against shooters, even fouled out one game.

Stop posting stupid statistics when all you need is eyes.

Are the statistics stupid because you don't understand their value? Because I've used my eyes enough to know that Schroder's blown by everyone throughout his career. You contain him with length (which is why they had Bridges on him initially) and rim protection.

The problem isn't that I don't use my eyes. We both use our eyes. The problem is your mind being really salty about this and overindexing on individual plays instead of the bigger picture. I'm telling you we have a wealth of evidence that suggests you're wrong, but you're welcome to continue to be wrong and salty.

[Dacost]

I get you're incredibly offended by the Ginobili comps, but the impact metrics don't bear out that he's a bad defender. He's even got highlights in FIBA that disprove what you're saying.

D-RAPTOR gives him a +1.6 and +1.7 the past two seasons, which is well above average, especially at his position.
Defensive EPM has him at 62nd percentile (neutral). For comparison, Herro is 42nd percentile, Maxey 55th percentile, Haliburton 53rd percentile, Brunson 7th percentile.
He's actually one of the better off-ball chaser and perimeter ISO defenders in the league among guards.

Now obviously he got bullied by guys that weight 40 more lbs than him on the block and got beat by Schroder twice, but who exactly was going to win those matchups? Specifically which skill guard was going to win those matchups? You have to contain Schroder with length and rim protection because almost no one is staying in front of him.

You're seriously mistaking scheme and individual matchups with overall player quality, probably because you desperately want this player to not be good. But the reality is never going to match what you want in this case.

He is a horrible defender.

Blown by, by Schroder of all players.

Looked like a child playing men in the post.

Committed a bunch of fouls against shooters, even fouled out one game.

Stop posting stupid statistics when all you need is eyes.

Are the statistics stupid because you don't understand their value? Because I've used my eyes enough to know that Schroder's blown by everyone throughout his career. You contain him with length (which is why they had Bridges on him initially) and rim protection.

The problem isn't that I don't use my eyes. We both use our eyes. The problem is your mind being really salty about this and overindexing on individual plays instead of the bigger picture. I'm telling you we have a wealth of evidence that suggests you're wrong, but you're welcome to continue to be wrong and salty.

Both thinks can be true.

Stat wise and Ball moment Reaves is great.

However he is also awful on defense.

Reaves is solid like alot of other guys around the league like Herro or Luke Kennard great on offense but trash on defense.

[Lalouie]

Is there a world where he averages 20/5/5 this year? .

the phillipines

[LoveTheNBA23]

He is a horrible defender.

Blown by, by Schroder of all players.

Looked like a child playing men in the post.

Committed a bunch of fouls against shooters, even fouled out one game.

Stop posting stupid statistics when all you need is eyes.

Are the statistics stupid because you don't understand their value? Because I've used my eyes enough to know that Schroder's blown by everyone throughout his career. You contain him with length (which is why they had Bridges on him initially) and rim protection.

The problem isn't that I don't use my eyes. We both use our eyes. The problem is your mind being really salty about this and overindexing on individual plays instead of the bigger picture. I'm telling you we have a wealth of evidence that suggests you're wrong, but you're welcome to continue to be wrong and salty.

Both thinks can be true.

Stat wise and Ball moment Reaves is great.

However he is also awful on defense.

Reaves is solid like alot of other guys around the league like Herro or Luke Kennard great on offense but trash on defense.

If Reaves is a bad defender, 85% of your favorite players are bad defenders.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/16dewz0/austin_reaves_defense_task_force_use_this_to/

[oversteerdawg]

The players that bullied Reaves are ones that were grossly larger or faster. Dennis Schroeder is one of the quickest guys in the league...not many are staying in front of him 1 on 1. It's odd that he's so polarizing on defense. Many analysts believe he's a good defender, yet several in here claim he's awful. He doesn't have elite natural tools but he gives effort and is disruptive against modern nba offenses. Regardless of his alleged defensive defficiencies, he still posted one of the few positive +/- in today's game.

[levon]

The players that bullied Reaves are ones that were grossly larger or faster. Dennis Schroeder is one of the quickest guys in the league...not many are staying in front of him 1 on 1. It's odd that he's so polarizing on defense. Many analysts believe he's a good defender, yet several in here claim he's awful. He doesn't have elite natural tools but he gives effort and is disruptive against modern nba offenses. Regardless of his alleged defensive defficiencies, he still posted one of the few positive +/- in today's game.

The vast majority of basketball viewers don't understand defense beyond just a few flashbulb memories of ISO plays. It's probably because they're not watching anything happen off-ball. And Austin's had loud defensive plays on ball and off ball this tourney, and also some loud shortcomings in post-ups and the occasional fouling of a jumpshooter.

It's fine to be that kind of fan. Not everyone has time to deeply evaluate every player or the game. It's when people start to belittle stats because the stats threaten to give them a wider and more nuanced understanding that I get turned off by this whole sports fandom thing.

[Pennebaker]

With Lakers fans, anything is possible.

[SlovenianDragon]

Reaves was the only reason usa had a shot vs Germany...solid player and hate that he's on the lakers!