Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[God Squad]

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that tells me they want to pivot towards OG and Scottie

OG's just happy he doesn't have to deal with Freds selfish play any longer.

[anotherhomer]

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that tells me they want to pivot towards OG and Scottie

OG's just happy he doesn't have to deal with Freds selfish play any longer.

ya....i think smashing two thirds of the pecking order was important for guys like OG, Barnes and GTJ

even if it doesn't improve the team record, it's a step in the right direction for the team.

hopefully, Pascal falls in line too

[Scase]

I like Scottie in the open court as a passer, and making basic reads on offense, but he needs more on-ball reps before I even put him ahead of Josh Giddey.

Once he is equal to or better than Giddey, then I think we can start believing in Scottie as a PG. Watching Giddey you can see him reading multiple options and making daring passes with much smaller passing windows. That is what stands out to me is that watching Giddey you see a tall PG, whereas with Scottie it still feels like a forward with some incredible passing:

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I agree that Giddey is the superior passer and playmaker. Giddey is special in that regard.

It is a really high bar to get to, but I think Scottie has some of the instincts and passing chops, but being a floor general is being able to read the whole floor and defensive scheme, and to direct the offense. Giddy seems to have that and his development in Australia and in the NBA is to give him the ball as a 1. Toronto needs to commit to that if they believe in Scottie and want him to be that guy.

Honestly, last year was such a bust for Scottie. He got hurt and missed time a bit, but the player development just didn't go well. It felt like Nurse was throwing him into a different situation from month to month. You are a wing now, or you are an undersized C, or you get some reps at the 1. Credit to Scottie for keeping with it, but you could tell he got disengaged or lost confidence at times. Playing for Nurse is like walking on eggshells.

Giddy despite SGA being so ball dominant, still found ways to impact the game - and the OKC offense was really fun to watch with him being free to play make. Toronto could stand to learn from OKC about how to develop your lottery pick. We only won one more game last season and look at all the success stories from OKC (Giddey, Jalen Williams, SGA all made huge steps as NBA starters).

The fact that Scottie basically stayed level with his ROTY production despite being jerked around to every position known to man is what gives me hope.

Lots of players will excel or be garbage tier (depending on the role) when they get shuffled around to a bunch of different positions, I just hope he can get some consistency this year, I think that's when you see him start to shine.

[niQ]

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[HumbleRen]

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Please get this man a new trainer

[Syd-TK3]

Swear that's not even a new video

[dTox]

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Please get this man a new trainer

For the love of God. Masai has to step in and say something?

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[dTox]

For once I'd like Scottie to hire someone like Drew Hanlam or equivalent, instead of this random from his hometown who has 0 other NBA clients. Disappointing, but I'm hoping our own coaches worked with him enough to get him over the hump. He cannot come back the same player again for the second straight season.

[Wise80]

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Please get this man a new trainer

Seriously. I was somewhat cringing while watching this and thinking "this ain't going to work next year".

I know it's only a 30 second video and he has a whole summer to work on things. But this is not his ticket to success.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I agree that Giddey is the superior passer and playmaker. Giddey is special in that regard.

It is a really high bar to get to, but I think Scottie has some of the instincts and passing chops, but being a floor general is being able to read the whole floor and defensive scheme, and to direct the offense. Giddy seems to have that and his development in Australia and in the NBA is to give him the ball as a 1. Toronto needs to commit to that if they believe in Scottie and want him to be that guy.

Honestly, last year was such a bust for Scottie. He got hurt and missed time a bit, but the player development just didn't go well. It felt like Nurse was throwing him into a different situation from month to month. You are a wing now, or you are an undersized C, or you get some reps at the 1. Credit to Scottie for keeping with it, but you could tell he got disengaged or lost confidence at times. Playing for Nurse is like walking on eggshells.

Giddy despite SGA being so ball dominant, still found ways to impact the game - and the OKC offense was really fun to watch with him being free to play make. Toronto could stand to learn from OKC about how to develop your lottery pick. We only won one more game last season and look at all the success stories from OKC (Giddey, Jalen Williams, SGA all made huge steps as NBA starters).

The fact that Scottie basically stayed level with his ROTY production despite being jerked around to every position known to man is what gives me hope.

Lots of players will excel or be garbage tier (depending on the role) when they get shuffled around to a bunch of different positions, I just hope he can get some consistency this year, I think that's when you see him start to shine.

I mean I guess we're playing him at the two, or maybe sometimes the point, we'll see how it goes. I somewhat recently half joked that because he's a small forward with point guard skills, split the difference and put him at the two.

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[KP730]

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agree with Aldridge here. IF Raptors do move on from Siakam (still a pretty big if..), Barnes will take a huge step

I think it’s vastly underrated just how big that step will be given how awkward of a fit Barnes’ has been next to Siakam and OG……changing that is huge for Barnes (I’m talking Barnes’ stats in particular here, not necessarily on Raps team performance, which could take a hit losing a player like Siakam)

[SkywalkerAC]

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agree with Aldridge here. IF Raptors do move on from Siakam (still a pretty big if..), Barnes will take a huge step

I think it’s vastly underrated just how big that step will be given how awkward of a fit Barnes’ has been next to Siakam and OG……changing that is huge for Barnes (I’m talking Barnes’ stats in particular here, not necessarily on Raps team performance, which could take a hit losing a player like Siakam)

To Aldridge's point, the Raps have already cleared the runway for Scottie just by saying bye-bye to Fred. Maybe Siakam needs to go as well to free up even more usage, and salary considerations, but I still think they could be a great combo as long as they've put in the requisite work on their jumpers.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I'm not sure what Aldridge's point is. Fred cleared the runway by leaving. The Raptors upped their offer hoping it would stay congested. If Scottie breaks out, it will be because he had a better summer than the previous one, not because the Raptors failed to retain Fred.

[goinrogue]

Obviously, just my opinion, but I think Pascal’s days on the team are numbered. Maybe Atlanta talks start again when Bogdan can be traded on sept 16.

Darko’s 7 seconds or less philosophy clashes with pascal’s play style.
Darko hasn’t mentioned pascal in any interviews since getting hired
Raps twitter/X account doesn’t really promote pascal anymore. Didn’t mention his recent charity

Just my gut feeling Atlanta deal isn’t dead. That would certainly clear the path for Scottie.

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[Tha Cynic]

Increased usage alone will increase Barnes' stats across the board. Getting rid of high usage players and giving more of that to a young up and coming player is pretty much guaranteed to at the least increase counting stats. We have seen this numerous times in the NBA. This isn't a new concept.

[Kingsway_fan]

Yep. I guess if you trade enough top raptor players.... Scottie will be the man....

[Fairview4Life]

Darko’s 7 seconds or less philosophy clashes with pascal’s play style.

Pascal grabbing a rebound and taking off with the ball does not clash with 7 seconds or less. Pascal runs a lot and can dribble a basketball. He can fit into any style.

[Tha Cynic]

Yep. I guess if you trade enough top raptor players.... Scottie will be the man....

Banchero (same usage as Siakam) and Wagner (same usage as FVV) say hi.