Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[sbsat]

The clouds are forming... siakam will be fvvs replacement as this boards whipping boy

[Duffman100]

The clouds are forming... siakam will be fvvs replacement as this boards whipping boy

Yup. It already started at the end of last season.

He's playing for stats / contract.
He operates in the same space as Barnes.
He's selfish.

Blah blah blah.

[C_Money]

The clouds are forming... siakam will be fvvs replacement as this boards whipping boy

And the funny part is Siakam will be the guy least responsible for us losing games.

[DreamTeam09]

For once I'd like Scottie to hire someone like Drew Hanlam or equivalent, instead of this random from his hometown who has 0 other NBA clients. Disappointing, but I'm hoping our own coaches worked with him enough to get him over the hump. He cannot come back the same player again for the second straight season.

Everyone was a no name at some point, as a basketball trainer/coach myself, I respect players working with the ppl that got them to where they are.

[Tha Cynic]

Siakam is the reason why this is imo a playoff team. Without him, it's a roster similar to Orlando.

People will dump on anyone who struggles, including Barnes as we saw last season..

[HumbleRen]

Siakam has been the poster child for the most mediocre era of Raptors basketball under Masai’s tenure.

As his stats have gotten better, we’ve gotten worse.
He declined an extension last year and has ruined potential trades this off season by his teams comments. On top of gunning for a supermax when he’s potentially not even a top 20 player.

I think any player with those circumstances would be getting some heat from the fanbase. While I think most of this is Masai’s fault and not Siakam’s, the heat unfairly falls onto the best player on the team.

[Vampirate]

Siakam has been the poster child for the most mediocre era of Raptors basketball under Masai’s tenure.

As his stats have gotten better, we’ve gotten worse.
He declined an extension last year and has ruined potential trades this off season by his teams comments. On top of gunning for a supermax when he’s potentially not even a top 20 player.

I think any player with those circumstances would be getting some heat from the fanbase. While I think most of this is Masai’s fault and not Siakam’s, the heat unfairly falls onto the best player on the team.

Tbh, it's kind of silly to hate on a guy who's turned into an All NBA player, or at least borderline at the 27th pick of the draft.

[Duffman100]

Siakam has been the poster child for the most mediocre era of Raptors basketball under Masai’s tenure.

As his stats have gotten better, we’ve gotten worse.
He declined an extension last year and has ruined potential trades this off season by his teams comments. On top of gunning for a supermax when he’s potentially not even a top 20 player.

I think any player with those circumstances would be getting some heat from the fanbase. While I think most of this is Masai’s fault and not Siakam’s, the heat unfairly falls onto the best player on the team.

He’s also, without a doubt, had no teammates of value post championship.

It’s similar to Bosh being the poster child of mediocrity. It’s not his fault, we just don’t have a high end team.

[DreamTeam09]

Siakam has been the poster child for the most mediocre era of Raptors basketball under Masai’s tenure.

As his stats have gotten better, we’ve gotten worse.
He declined an extension last year and has ruined potential trades this off season by his teams comments. On top of gunning for a supermax when he’s potentially not even a top 20 player.

I think any player with those circumstances would be getting some heat from the fanbase. While I think most of this is Masai’s fault and not Siakam’s, the heat unfairly falls onto the best player on the team.

That's how you perceive things, not at all how I perceive things

we literally won a championship because Pascal got good enough to be the 2nd/3rd option on a championship level team
he declined an extension last year because he's inclined to wait for FA where he can earn more money, regardless of getting a supermax... (as any rationale player should)
His comments where about his commitments to this team, our team, not about sneaking in a supermax. If you don't wanna believe that then that's on you, but I'm not gonna believe his sole intention is receiving a supermax, especially when it's not really his choice either way.
I firmly believe Pascal is a top20 player

[AbC?]

Siakam has been the poster child for the most mediocre era of Raptors basketball under Masai’s tenure.

As his stats have gotten better, we’ve gotten worse.
He declined an extension last year and has ruined potential trades this off season by his teams comments. On top of gunning for a supermax when he’s potentially not even a top 20 player.

I think any player with those circumstances would be getting some heat from the fanbase. While I think most of this is Masai’s fault and not Siakam’s, the heat unfairly falls onto the best player on the team.

The key you point out is that all of it is unfair.

His stats improving haven't come at the expense of the team. Samson Folk said it best, the team basically told him we can't give you any help with spacing or shot creation, we're just going to give you the ball and hope you figure something out. Hasn't seen single coverage in years lmao. And to his credit, he has done the best he can given the awful fit around him.

He also has an insane workload - most MPG the last 2 years, top 6th is distance traveled per game last 3 years. Has to shoulder huge shot creation responsibilities because no one else can. Also had to play the low man in Nurse's scheme which means he's the guy who's scrambling out to corner 3 point shooters after providing help at the rim. Dude is just tasked to do everything for this team.

Supermax talk is silly - of course he should want to get paid. If he makes ANOTHER all-NBA team next season he will deserve it. The report from Haynes said he wanted to stay in Toronto and somehow fans were mad at him? SMH

Masai has failed him and deserves all the blame.

[HumbleRen]

Siakam has been the poster child for the most mediocre era of Raptors basketball under Masai’s tenure.

As his stats have gotten better, we’ve gotten worse.
He declined an extension last year and has ruined potential trades this off season by his teams comments. On top of gunning for a supermax when he’s potentially not even a top 20 player.

I think any player with those circumstances would be getting some heat from the fanbase. While I think most of this is Masai’s fault and not Siakam’s, the heat unfairly falls onto the best player on the team.

He’s also, without a doubt, had no teammates of value post championship.

It’s similar to Bosh being the poster child of mediocrity. It’s not his fault, we just don’t have a high end team.

FVV was an all star, regardless of how fake it was.
OG is a top 5 defender in the league and arguably the best 3&D player in the league. Scottie was ROTY. Nurse was regarded as one of the best coaches in the league.

On paper, our core is better than any of the DD/Lowry led teams. The issue is fit and chemistry.

Siakam is in that weird position where he’s not good enough to build around but good enough to be the first option on a 2nd tier playoff team.

[Duffman100]

Siakam has been the poster child for the most mediocre era of Raptors basketball under Masai’s tenure.

As his stats have gotten better, we’ve gotten worse.
He declined an extension last year and has ruined potential trades this off season by his teams comments. On top of gunning for a supermax when he’s potentially not even a top 20 player.

I think any player with those circumstances would be getting some heat from the fanbase. While I think most of this is Masai’s fault and not Siakam’s, the heat unfairly falls onto the best player on the team.

He’s also, without a doubt, had no teammates of value post championship.

It’s similar to Bosh being the poster child of mediocrity. It’s not his fault, we just don’t have a high end team.

FVV was an all star, regardless of how fake it was.
OG is a top 5 defender in the league and arguably the best 3&D player in the league. Scottie was ROTY. Nurse was regarded as one of the best coaches in the league.

On paper, our core is better than any of the DD/Lowry led teams. The issue is fit and chemistry.

Siakam is in that weird position where he’s not good enough to build around but good enough to be the first option on a 2nd tier playoff team.

You can’t possibly turn and use Fred this way…

[HumbleRen]

Siakam has been the poster child for the most mediocre era of Raptors basketball under Masai’s tenure.

As his stats have gotten better, we’ve gotten worse.
He declined an extension last year and has ruined potential trades this off season by his teams comments. On top of gunning for a supermax when he’s potentially not even a top 20 player.

I think any player with those circumstances would be getting some heat from the fanbase. While I think most of this is Masai’s fault and not Siakam’s, the heat unfairly falls onto the best player on the team.

The key you point out is that all of it is unfair.

His stats improving haven't come at the expense of the team. Samson Folk said it best, the team basically told him we can't give you any help with spacing or shot creation, we're just going to give you the ball and hope you figure something out. Hasn't seen single coverage in years lmao. And to his credit, he has done the best he can given the awful fit around him.

He also has an insane workload - most MPG the last 2 years, top 6th is distance traveled per game last 3 years. Has to shoulder huge shot creation responsibilities because no one else can. Also had to play the low man in Nurse's scheme which means he's the guy who's scrambling out to corner 3 point shooters after providing help at the rim. Dude is just tasked to do everything for this team.

Supermax talk is silly - of course he should want to get paid. If he makes ANOTHER all-NBA team next season he will deserve it. The report from Haynes said he wanted to stay in Toronto and somehow fans were mad at him? SMH

Masai has failed him and deserves all the blame.

Most of that you listed is due to Nick Nurse and the way he wants to play.

I just don’t get the notion why Julius Randle is considered an empty stats player but Siakam isn’t.

They both accomplished similar goals as the “#1”.

I disagree with Masai on a lot of things and I do think he’s the main reason why we’re in this crappy position but I thank god every day he doesn’t value Siakam as a super max player.

That would doom us for the rest of the decade.

[HumbleRen]

He’s also, without a doubt, had no teammates of value post championship.

It’s similar to Bosh being the poster child of mediocrity. It’s not his fault, we just don’t have a high end team.

FVV was an all star, regardless of how fake it was.
OG is a top 5 defender in the league and arguably the best 3&D player in the league. Scottie was ROTY. Nurse was regarded as one of the best coaches in the league.

On paper, our core is better than any of the DD/Lowry led teams. The issue is fit and chemistry.

Siakam is in that weird position where he’s not good enough to build around but good enough to be the first option on a 2nd tier playoff team.

You can’t possibly turn and use Fred this way…

I’m just using your perception on FVV. I personally think FVV is a horrible 2nd option and that his all star selection is as phoney as they come.

But that’s not what you were saying over the last 2 years. You can’t say Siakam had no teammate of value when you’ve spent the last 2 years defending FVV and calling him an all star level guard.

It’s one or the other, can’t have your cake and eat it too.

[Duffman100]

FVV was an all star, regardless of how fake it was.
OG is a top 5 defender in the league and arguably the best 3&D player in the league. Scottie was ROTY. Nurse was regarded as one of the best coaches in the league.

On paper, our core is better than any of the DD/Lowry led teams. The issue is fit and chemistry.

Siakam is in that weird position where he’s not good enough to build around but good enough to be the first option on a 2nd tier playoff team.

You can’t possibly turn and use Fred this way…

I’m just using your perception on FVV. I personally think FVV is a horrible 2nd option and that his all star selection is as phoney as they come.

But that’s not what you were saying over the last 2 years. You can’t say Siakam had no teammate of value when you’ve spent the last 2 years defending FVV and calling him an all star level guard.

It’s one or the other, can’t have your cake and eat it too.

I’ve defended Fred against the insane hate he got (you included). And he had a good all star run on the season we won 47 games. Along with a ROY Barnes. Where we weren’t mediocre but good.

That still doesn’t mean Siakam had the quality of teammates and depth that other players of his ability have had.

It’s the same as blaming Bosh when our team won 41 games when his best teammates were Calderon and Bargnani.

[HumbleRen]

You can’t possibly turn and use Fred this way…

I’m just using your perception on FVV. I personally think FVV is a horrible 2nd option and that his all star selection is as phoney as they come.

But that’s not what you were saying over the last 2 years. You can’t say Siakam had no teammate of value when you’ve spent the last 2 years defending FVV and calling him an all star level guard.

It’s one or the other, can’t have your cake and eat it too.

I’ve defended Fred against the insane hate he got (you included). And he had a good all star run on the season we won 47 games. Along with a ROY Barnes. Where we weren’t mediocre but good.

That still doesn’t mean Siakam had the quality of teammates and depth that other players of his ability have had.

It’s the same as blaming Bosh when our team won 41 games when his best teammates were Calderon and Bargnani.

It honestly just sounds like you’re picking and choosing to fit your narratives. You cannot in good faith say Siakam didn’t have any teammates of value post championship.

That’s just a flat out lie lol. Plus it’s a bad comparison, Siakam’s rosters have been vastly better than Bosh’s in terms of talent. It’s the bad roster construction that makes us worse than what we appear to be.

[Duffman100]

I’m just using your perception on FVV. I personally think FVV is a horrible 2nd option and that his all star selection is as phoney as they come.

But that’s not what you were saying over the last 2 years. You can’t say Siakam had no teammate of value when you’ve spent the last 2 years defending FVV and calling him an all star level guard.

It’s one or the other, can’t have your cake and eat it too.

I’ve defended Fred against the insane hate he got (you included). And he had a good all star run on the season we won 47 games. Along with a ROY Barnes. Where we weren’t mediocre but good.

That still doesn’t mean Siakam had the quality of teammates and depth that other players of his ability have had.

It’s the same as blaming Bosh when our team won 41 games when his best teammates were Calderon and Bargnani.

It honestly just sounds like you’re picking and choosing to fit your narratives. You cannot in good faith say Siakam didn’t have any teammates of value post championship.

That’s just a flat out lie lol. Plus it’s a bad comparison, Siakam’s rosters have been vastly better than Bosh’s in terms of talent. It’s the bad roster construction that makes us worse than what we appear to be.

You did the exact same thing by using Fred as a positive.

He had a better roster and won more games. And then last year had a similar roster and won 41 games in a more competitive east.

It’s the exact same thing. We have one all NBAer leading a bunch of other meh players.

[HumbleRen]

I’ve defended Fred against the insane hate he got (you included). And he had a good all star run on the season we won 47 games. Along with a ROY Barnes. Where we weren’t mediocre but good.

That still doesn’t mean Siakam had the quality of teammates and depth that other players of his ability have had.

It’s the same as blaming Bosh when our team won 41 games when his best teammates were Calderon and Bargnani.

It honestly just sounds like you’re picking and choosing to fit your narratives. You cannot in good faith say Siakam didn’t have any teammates of value post championship.

That’s just a flat out lie lol. Plus it’s a bad comparison, Siakam’s rosters have been vastly better than Bosh’s in terms of talent. It’s the bad roster construction that makes us worse than what we appear to be.

You did the exact same thing by using Fred as a positive.

He had a better roster and won more games. And then last year had a similar roster and won 41 games in a more competitive east.

It’s the exact same thing. We have one all NBAer leading a bunch of other meh players.

No, I used FVV in that to point out the hypocrisy by you lol.

If you consider FVV, Scottie, OG and Poeltl to be meh players then sure, you can use that Bosh comparison I guess.

[Duffman100]

It honestly just sounds like you’re picking and choosing to fit your narratives. You cannot in good faith say Siakam didn’t have any teammates of value post championship.

That’s just a flat out lie lol. Plus it’s a bad comparison, Siakam’s rosters have been vastly better than Bosh’s in terms of talent. It’s the bad roster construction that makes us worse than what we appear to be.

You did the exact same thing by using Fred as a positive.

He had a better roster and won more games. And then last year had a similar roster and won 41 games in a more competitive east.

It’s the exact same thing. We have one all NBAer leading a bunch of other meh players.

No, I used FVV in that to point out the hypocrisy by you lol.

If you consider FVV, Scottie, OG and Poeltl to be meh players then sure, you can use that Bosh comparison I guess.

Sure you did.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I dunno, first year post Kawhi Siakam leads us to a 60 win pace. Then Tampa he got covid and fought with Nurse. Then next season he bounced back and made all-NBA while the Raptors won 48 games. Then last year was disappointing. Not so mediocre, more just a couple of unexpected lows. Fans here fill their diapers when a player turns 26 these days.